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Guns donít belong in places of worship (Illiinois barf alert)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 17 july 2013

Posted on 07/17/2013 5:45:59 AM PDT by rellimpank

Houses of worship don’t just accommodate religious gatherings. They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help. If for no other reason than that, they should be off limits to guns.

Unfortunately, a state law rushed through in the closing days of the spring legislative session that allows the concealed carrying of guns also makes it legal to bring those firearms into places of worship. That’s an alarming prospect that needs to be rectified as quickly as possible.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; church; guncontrol; rkba; secondamendment
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--moronic blather from the S-T--
1 posted on 07/17/2013 5:45:59 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
Houses of worship don’t just accommodate religious gatherings. They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help. If for no other reason than that, they should be off limits to guns.

The stupid is strong with this one. He both managed to introduce a non-sequitir and anthropomorphize an inanimate object ("off limits to guns") in the same opening sentence.

2 posted on 07/17/2013 5:48:40 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: rellimpank

“They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help.”

If true, then all the more reason to keep one’s weapon close.


3 posted on 07/17/2013 5:48:51 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

He’s making the case to carry but is too dumb to realize it.


4 posted on 07/17/2013 5:52:11 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: rellimpank

Of course they don’t want Christians with guns, so one day the Marxist Atheist can come in and kill us....and you know....so they won’t be out gunned!
Go to H&LL commies....


5 posted on 07/17/2013 5:52:47 AM PDT by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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To: rellimpank

So police have to leave their guns outside?


6 posted on 07/17/2013 5:54:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: rellimpank
They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help.

They also are places where deeply troubled people come to act out, sometimes violently, sometimes with weapons.

I guess there should be a law requiring non-troubled, nonviolent parishioners to be sitting ducks.

7 posted on 07/17/2013 6:01:46 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: rellimpank

A house of worship with no guns allowed is seen as a target rich environment to liberals moslems gays and other evil people.


8 posted on 07/17/2013 6:01:50 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: AppyPappy

A much shorter editorial would be a complete list of all the places the Sun-Times editorial board feels guns SHOULD be legal to carry.

Remember, this is the same paper that a few weeks ago fired its entire photography staff and told its reporters to take pictures and video for publication on their cell phones.

they can’t staff a newsroom but they know what’s best for society.


9 posted on 07/17/2013 6:02:29 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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To: Jack Hammer

They are more targeted by the deeply weird, as places to inflict damage. That’s why my pastor has to keep an armed protective agent at his side throughout worship service, with others stationed throughout the church. The congregation is fully capable to taking care of itself as well. Slap leather in this house of God, and you will be shown the error of your ways.


10 posted on 07/17/2013 6:03:39 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: rellimpank

The Sun-Times conveniently forgets several incidents where armed parishioners ended a violent attack in the sanctuary. One big one was in Colorado Springs.


11 posted on 07/17/2013 6:04:15 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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To: rellimpank
Sure they don't want us to have guns in houses of worship. It will make it all the easier for them when the JBT come to shut down the churches that refuse to alter their doctrines according to the dictates of the state.

Don't kid yourself; a tyrannical state always takes control of the churches (or simply liquidates them) as soon as they can. It is going to happen here very soon unless something changes. And the pretext is going to be "civil rights".

12 posted on 07/17/2013 6:04:16 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: rellimpank

New Life Church shooting

At about 1:00 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), thirty minutes after the 11:00 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot, shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell. Murray then entered the building’s main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Jeanne Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam’s gun, Murray fatally shot himself.[7]


13 posted on 07/17/2013 6:05:57 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: rellimpank

“They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help. If for no other reason than that, they should be off limits to guns.”

This is where the anti-gun crowd fails badly. If a “deeply troubled” person wants to bring a gun no law saying they can’t is going to stop them.

The happy people need guns to protect themselves from the unhappy people.


14 posted on 07/17/2013 6:06:15 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: ltc8k6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings


15 posted on 07/17/2013 6:06:41 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: rellimpank

Let the gun-grabbers start frisking’em at the mosque entrance and see how far that gets them.


16 posted on 07/17/2013 6:08:26 AM PDT by moovova
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To: jboot

Well, unless it’s a church run by some foul mouthed little fleeb who screams “God DAMN America” from the pulpit. Those churches are juuuuuuust fine. Especially with the current resident of the white house.


17 posted on 07/17/2013 6:08:35 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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To: wideawake
Maybe he means that people who are so deeply troubled they will injure people with their guns will not be so deeply troubled that they will disobey a sign prohibiting the guns.


18 posted on 07/17/2013 6:10:02 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: rellimpank

And grocery stores are where deeply troubled people go to get food.


19 posted on 07/17/2013 6:15:49 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: VideoPaul

Of course. I don’t expect that we will get better than Zero in the future. In the New Normal good is evil and evil is good. Because the IRS will be the vanguard of the forces the Regime deploys against Christians, churches should be studying ways to divest themselves of paid staff and property so that they can survive underground and under the radar. And, IMHO, they need to gun up. There will be invasions of their sanctuaries both by “official” JBTs and by the opportunistic hoi polloi.


20 posted on 07/17/2013 6:20:28 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: rellimpank

Guns belong there far more than “Gad Damn America!” as Obama’s pastor said repeatedly.

Guns belong there far more than the racism that is seen in Chicago churches.

Guns belong in there far more than the support for abortion that has been in there.

Guns belong in there far more than the support for homosexuality, a sexual deviancy, that has been in there.


21 posted on 07/17/2013 6:20:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: rellimpank

Two words.

“Jeanne Assam”.


22 posted on 07/17/2013 6:23:37 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: rellimpank
They also are places where deeply troubled people come to get help. If for no other reason than that, they should be off limits to guns.

Ah... does anyone else catch the inherent assumption here?
If there's a law, a rule or a sign, a "deeply troubled person" would not bring a gun in to a church for nefarious reasons.

23 posted on 07/17/2013 6:25:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rellimpank

My church has armed security but does not allow firearms by members or visitors. I am okay with that. All it takes is one nutbag to open fire and you have a major tragedy in a place where people come for quiet reflection.

I am not so much worried about Christians with guns as much as I am worried about Christian-haters who may try to commit mayhem and evil against members of the church.

As an usher, we are trained to keep our eyes open to suspicious behavior and we are instructed to find a security guard if there appears to be a threatening situation.

Outside the church, I’m all for concealed carry but there are some places I’m okay with leaving the guns in the cars and relying on professional security for that two hours. In an auditorium-type situation I think an amateur with a gun is just as likely to hit the wrong person as they are to hit the perp.


24 posted on 07/17/2013 6:26:01 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: MrB

ah... I guess most of you DID catch that.


25 posted on 07/17/2013 6:26:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rellimpank

Our policy is no open carry, but we do have people (especially ushers) that DO closed carry, with the approval of the church. Recall the incident at New Life Church in Colorado in which a female parishioner DID stop a guy who had already killed some people in the parking lot and then entered the church to make a “bigger statement.”


26 posted on 07/17/2013 6:30:39 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: rellimpank

ditto, there are several places you are a sitting duck if some one opens fire, schools and churches being among them.

There are places in Memphis I would not go unarmed. Went to pick blackberries from the house we are selling there, and I felt darn uncomfortable not having my gun, but as I was going to the Military base after, I could not carry it.


27 posted on 07/17/2013 6:30:58 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: GailA

Guns belong everywhere there is a possibility that ferals, whack-o’s or degenerates might accost you and your family. Everywhere! The 2nd Amendment didn’t limit “where”. What’s wrong with these anti-2nd-Amendment pinhead morons? Are they asshat moonbats...or what?


28 posted on 07/17/2013 6:34:21 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: rellimpank

Sometimes I read the article, want to comment and see all of the other FReeper comments and think to myself “couldn’t have said it better myself”. God bless all of you. Onward Christian soldiers!


29 posted on 07/17/2013 6:34:56 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: rellimpank

“Guns don’t belong in places of worship “

And neither do people who are hell-bent on robbing, assaulting or murdering anyone. But people of such a mindset are not restrained by the laws we have to forbid such things let alone the place they choose to commit their crimes. That is why people have a need of self-defense no matter where they are.


30 posted on 07/17/2013 6:36:16 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: rellimpank

This A$$ Wagon has never been in a church. He is more worried about all the emotionally unstable people that go to church (in his opinion) than he is of the all the evil people outside the church that hate religious people.


31 posted on 07/17/2013 6:38:25 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
The stupid is strong with this one. He both managed to introduce a non-sequitir and anthropomorphize an inanimate object ("off limits to guns") in the same opening sentence.

That's my kind of humor. lol

32 posted on 07/17/2013 6:39:25 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: BipolarBob
He’s making the case to carry but is too dumb to realize it.

They need to pass laws to keep this Brain Fart out of churches.

33 posted on 07/17/2013 6:40:34 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: PowderMonkey
That’s why my pastor has to keep an armed protective agent at his side throughout worship service, with others stationed throughout the church. The congregation is fully capable to taking care of itself as well.

You must go to church in either Chicago or Faluja.

34 posted on 07/17/2013 6:42:57 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: paint_your_wagon
And grocery stores are where deeply troubled people go to get food.

... And government buildings where deeply troubled people are elected and empowered.

35 posted on 07/17/2013 6:45:35 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: Tenacious 1

A small town Baptist Church in Daingerfield, Texas a few years back had a person walk in the back door and shot several people. There were no carriers in the congregation and he had easy pickings.


36 posted on 07/17/2013 6:47:53 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: rellimpank
Some get it right.



37 posted on 07/17/2013 6:53:41 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: rellimpank

It should be up to the Church as to whether firearms are allowed on the premesis and who is allowed to carry them.


38 posted on 07/17/2013 6:54:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rellimpank
Let the church decide for itself! Let the congregation decide for themselves if they want to go there!

We, the people, do NOT need spooge from GuvCo telling US what's best.

"He can't even run his own life. I'll be damned if he'll run mine!"

Weird how those who used to sing the protest songs of the 60s and early 70s are now the ones in control telling everybody else what to do (while they themselves do something else).

39 posted on 07/17/2013 6:57:50 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: rellimpank

Wait until they find out there are whips, flails, and clubs in some of the Stations of the Cross depictions.


40 posted on 07/17/2013 7:01:05 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: rellimpank

Um... Yes they do.

There is nothing more tempting to a wolf than a helpless flock of sheep...


41 posted on 07/17/2013 7:08:27 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: rellimpank

Ping for later


42 posted on 07/17/2013 7:14:27 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Tell it to the Coptic Christians as they get dragged out and killed.


43 posted on 07/17/2013 7:23:49 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: rellimpank
This is a blatant violation of the First Amendment. The government cannot deny the right to self protection at religious gatherings that is allowed at nonreligious ones. It is up to the Congregation of each house of worship to decide if they will allow firearms in the building.
44 posted on 07/17/2013 7:28:16 AM PDT by MCF
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To: Tenacious 1; OrangeHoof

If you attend a Christian church, it’s a target. The bigger the church, the bigger the target. Christian pastors have been under increasing and credible threats from the Left wing radicals, abortionists, militant Lesbian/Gay advocacy groups, and most recently, Mohammedan jihadist here in the U.S. And, no, the “Dodge City” or “Wild West” scenario with an exchange of indiscriminate gunfire by “amateurs” has never happened. Amateurs have successfully defended themselves for quite some time in this country. If you knew what to look for, you’d be surprised by just how many carry concealed these days. Everywhere.


45 posted on 07/17/2013 7:42:44 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: rellimpank

Not all churches are created equal. Some are the church of race baiting. Don’t be fooled. Even some suburban churches, loaded up for social justice are baiting people. Look for the Rick Warren, emergent churches- as well as the ghetto churches.


46 posted on 07/17/2013 7:45:13 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: rellimpank

“they should be off limits to guns”?
Church’s
Theaters
Schools
Malls
And every other place lots of folks gather in large numbers where they can be targets???
I love my Kimber


47 posted on 07/17/2013 7:49:43 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: PowderMonkey
If you knew what to look for, you’d be surprised by just how many carry concealed these days. Everywhere.

I do. I'm not. I are one of the many. :o)

48 posted on 07/17/2013 8:06:01 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: rellimpank

Wrong question

The right question is When does the state require individuals to give up their right to self defense?


49 posted on 07/17/2013 8:11:52 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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50 posted on 07/17/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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