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Soap in a sponge: The enduring myth that George Zimmerman was told not to get out of his car
Legal Insurrection ^ | July 17, 2013 | Professor William A. Jacobson

Posted on 07/17/2013 1:40:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

There are many lessons to be learned from the media miscoverage of the George Zimmerman shooting of Trayvon Martin.

We’ve dealt repeatedly with the false “hoodie” and racial narratives, the ludicrous audio and video analyzes, and the misunderstanding of the role Stand Your Ground played [actually, did not play] in the case.

We’ve seen post-trial articles about how the prosecution failed to “humanize” Trayvon, without addressing that the prosecution deliberately didn’t go there because it would have brought into evidence Trayvon’s history of fighting, drug use and illegal weapons possession. Rachel Jeantel’s post-trial interview on CNN also raised the possibility that the fight was started by Trayvon out of homophobic fear that Zimmerman was a sexual predator.

In this sea of media malpractice, one enduring fabrication lives on despite conclusive trial testimony, the concept that Zimmerman was ordered, instructed, or told not to get out of his car by the 911 operator.

I completely debunked this concept when it was assumed by Jonathan Capehart at WaPo, In busting Zimmerman myths, Jonathan Capehart perpetuates the greatest myth of all. I emailed Capehart about it, he responded “fair point,” and as of this writing the offending comment about Zimmerman being told not to get out of this car no longer is in Capehart’s column. Good for him.

But the myth lives on in part because other media is not as responsible......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: asscracker; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman; zimmermanevidence; zimmermantrial
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1 posted on 07/17/2013 1:40:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; a fool in paradise

“Soap in a sponge”? What essential piece of ancient folk wisdom have I missed? Series!


2 posted on 07/17/2013 1:42:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There are many lessons to be learned from the media miscoverage of the George Zimmerman shooting of Trayvon Martin.

And the "news" media will miss every single one of them and learn not one thing!!

3 posted on 07/17/2013 1:43:44 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since the Zimmerman trial, I’ve become a HUGE fan of LI.


4 posted on 07/17/2013 1:47:03 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the fight was started by Trayvon out of homophobic fear that Zimmerman was a creepy ass-cracker.
5 posted on 07/17/2013 1:47:56 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No 911 transcript of the call? More suppressed evidence by the prosecutor?


6 posted on 07/17/2013 1:49:18 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since the Zimmerman trial, I’ve become a HUGE fan of LI.

...and so is Massad Ayoob (THE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT, PART 1)
...to get the commentary and analysis of the case that most of the mainstream media denied you, go to the excellent day by day writing of Andrew Branca, an attorney who specializes in this sort of case, at www.legalinsurrection.com.

7 posted on 07/17/2013 1:50:33 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LI should have pointed out too that GZ was on the Non-Emergency-Number line not 911. Chief of Police Bill Lee back in March 2012 put out a statement that even if the dispatch operator gave an order (which was not done) GZ was under no legal obligation to obey.


8 posted on 07/17/2013 1:50:48 PM PDT by ironman
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To: ASA Vet

If I had a "creepy-ass cracker", he'd look like George Zimmerman.


9 posted on 07/17/2013 1:52:19 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A lie will travel around the world while the truth is still putting on its pants.


10 posted on 07/17/2013 1:52:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ironman
LI should have pointed out too that GZ was on the Non-Emergency-Number line not 911.

I believe that they have done that mon other posts. I'm surprised that they didn't in this one.
11 posted on 07/17/2013 1:54:07 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In this sea of media malpractice, one enduring fabrication lives on despite conclusive trial testimony, the concept that Zimmerman was ordered, instructed, or told not to get out of his car by the 911 operator.

How many falsehoods does that media-created template contain?

If the media worked in a fast food restaurant they couldn't get an order for 'one burger, one fries and one Pepsi' right.

12 posted on 07/17/2013 1:55:59 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Revolting cat!

“Soap in a sponge”? What essential piece of ancient folk wisdom have I missed? Series!”

My guess is that it means: Just like getting the soap out of a sponge it’s going to be hard to get this motion out of people’s mind.


13 posted on 07/17/2013 1:56:25 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: TigersEye

14 posted on 07/17/2013 1:57:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another myth: Zimmmerman “chased down” Martin, caught him an shot him in cold blood. Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Martin was running. Does anybody believe short, fat, non-athletic Zimmerman could catch a 17 year old, slender, athletic-looking, black male, run him down, and then shoot him?


15 posted on 07/17/2013 1:59:41 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

16 posted on 07/17/2013 2:00:56 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: driftless2

17 posted on 07/17/2013 2:01:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“In this sea of media malpractice, one enduring fabrication lives on...”

While I understand his point, a lot more than just one fabrication endures, although this is a big one.


18 posted on 07/17/2013 2:05:34 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Sopater
Is this still Barry's ass-cracker?


19 posted on 07/17/2013 2:07:21 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m stealing this and posting it to my FB page just so I can watch libtard heads explode.


20 posted on 07/17/2013 2:08:27 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (The average American voter is an idiot. Which is how the Dems want it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Humanizing” Trayvon would have to include the very real datum that he was NOT a 12-year-old kid as so often he was depicted in the run-up to the trial, but a hulking, sullen pothead with an attitude about “crazy-azz cracka” people prowling around the neighborhood. Never mind the “crazy-azz cracka” was the neighborhood patrol, and was there at the invitation of and under the authority of the homeowners’ association.


21 posted on 07/17/2013 2:10:52 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The road is a private road inside the gated community and the sidewalks are HOA common areas.


22 posted on 07/17/2013 2:14:13 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing missing is the pending beatification by the Vatican of his holiness, Trayvon Martin.


23 posted on 07/17/2013 2:14:57 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: ironman

And that’s another untruth which lives on - that GZ called 911 -he didn’t.

Reminds me of how the lie that Sarah Palin said she can see Russia from her house lives on. Oh, how I hate the media in this country. I can’t totally blame them when the low information citizens refuse to do the hard work of searching out the truth, rather they have to be spoon fed. The libs know this and its the reason they get away with it.


24 posted on 07/17/2013 2:15:30 PM PDT by Catsrus (`)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

They’ll probably think it’s just the fact on the case.


25 posted on 07/17/2013 2:19:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Soap in a sponge”?

That’s the whole reason I read the article.

It’s not explained.

My guess it’s like trying to wring the soap out of sponge. No matter how many times you do it, there’s always some left.

By analogy, no matter how many times you debunk the factual errors, they keep coming out.


26 posted on 07/17/2013 2:21:13 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Revolting cat!

Actuallt the term is soap on a rope.


27 posted on 07/17/2013 2:27:38 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

#17 — spewing pre-dinner glass of wine over the keyboard!


28 posted on 07/17/2013 2:27:58 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Revolting cat!

I thought that Rachel Jeantel, at one point, said that Martin was on his porch when he was talking with her. If I heard that correctly, it would have meant that Martin left the safety of his home in order to confront Zimmerman. Did anyone else catch that or did I mishear it?


29 posted on 07/17/2013 2:29:54 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

311

http://www.911dispatch.com/info/311_page.html


30 posted on 07/17/2013 2:31:56 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: TigersEye

“He called 411 not 911.”

That is not correct either. I don’t have the call record in front of me but it was a 10 digit number.


31 posted on 07/17/2013 2:34:17 PM PDT by ironman
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To: workerbee

A FReeper mailed that to me. Funny, ain’t it?


32 posted on 07/17/2013 2:34:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: ironman

You’re right. It was just a NEN (non emergency number) for the Sanford PD. Unlike the media I’ll admit my mistake instead of repeating it until our sun supernovas.


33 posted on 07/17/2013 2:36:16 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Hootowl; Revolting cat!; 101stAirborneVet; AllAmericanGirl44; 2ndDivisionVet; Uncle Chip

>>>>I thought that Rachel Jeantel, at one point, said that Martin was on his porch when he was talking with her. If I heard that correctly, it would have meant that Martin left the safety of his home in order to confront Zimmerman. Did anyone else catch that or did I mishear it?<<<<

I vaguely seem to remember something like this...can anyone clarify? TIA


34 posted on 07/17/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by viaveritasvita ("The One who reigns forever, He is a Friend of mine, the G-d of angel armies is always by my side.")
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To: ironman

It was the non emergency number which would be a regular number, not a 411 or a 911.


35 posted on 07/17/2013 2:48:18 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yesterday on CNN, Wolf Blitzer said something about Zimmerman being told to stay in his car (incorrect!) and it was echoed by several other people later in the day.


36 posted on 07/17/2013 2:51:56 PM PDT by finnsheep
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To: finnsheep
It's their main talking point to place all the blame squarely on Mr. Zimmerman, not Saint Skittles.
37 posted on 07/17/2013 2:55:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: finnsheep

The nuances of language escape many people. “We don’t need you to do that” is not the same as the directive, “Don’t do that.” It can be interpreted as “You don’t need to do that [for the purposes of reporting to us].” It leaves it open for doing it for your own reasons. Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether some of the newsies are deliberately misinterpreting or whether they’re just dumb and cannot think for themselves.


38 posted on 07/17/2013 3:26:47 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It does not really matter whether he was actually ordered to stay in his car or not. He had every right to be where he was. AFAIK, all Zimmerman believed Trayvon was doing was casing houses, not looking for a fight. My experience with thieves is that want to get the goods and go, not stand around and start fights.


39 posted on 07/17/2013 4:02:23 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
In this sea of media malpractice, one enduring fabrication lives on despite conclusive trial testimony, the concept that Zimmerman was ordered, instructed, or told not to get out of his car by the 911 operator.

40 posted on 07/17/2013 6:21:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ASA Vet
the fight was started by Trayvon out of homophobic fear that Zimmerman was a creepy ass-cracker.

I wish people would slow down and not jump on every stupid meme that gets run up the flagpole around here.

The 'ass-cracker' meme is flat out ridiculous. There wasn't a homophobic angle to what happened in the Zimmerman vs Martin incident, and there's no such slang term in the black community.

Rachel Jeantel said exactly what we thought she said from the very start, except for the fact that she didn't use the word, "creepy" when she was on the phone to Trayvon. She used the word, "pussy".

41 posted on 07/17/2013 8:24:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Revolting cat!
What essential piece of ancient folk wisdom have I missed?

Once the soap is in the sponge, it is almost impossible to get it all out.

Just like once false information becomes part of the story, it takes forever (if then) to eliminate it.

42 posted on 07/17/2013 8:31:33 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Windflier
Even if she had used "creepy" it would be used in conjunction with "ass" Like "Bad" in badass, or "sorry" in "sorry ass..."

The whole play on words to make things seem "homophobic" was satire, iirc, playing on the idea of that's a liberal to do when two protected groups are engaged in conflict.

43 posted on 07/17/2013 8:37:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Windflier
I listened to her testify. She said exactly “creep ass-cracker” then teased St. Trayvon about getting raped.
44 posted on 07/17/2013 8:54:05 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: ASA Vet
I listened to her testify. She said exactly “creep ass-cracker” then teased St. Trayvon about getting raped.

I know what she said in the courtroom, but it's because she couldn't repeat the phrase exactly as she said it to Trayvon on the phone that day.

Like I said, the 'ass-cracker' thing is the ridiculous meme of the day. Jeantel called Zim a 'cracker', plain and simple.

dumb ass
big ass
stupid ass
punk ass
creepy ass

Get it?

45 posted on 07/17/2013 9:28:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Even if she had used "creepy" it would be used in conjunction with "ass" Like "Bad" in badass, or "sorry" in "sorry ass..."

Exactly. It's a really old form of black slang, i.e.,

stupid ass
dumb ass
slow ass
punk ass

I grew up with that lingo, and recognized it instantly. Hell, it's not even 'black' lingo anymore.

46 posted on 07/17/2013 9:31:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s just awesome.


47 posted on 07/18/2013 1:13:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Windflier

>> There wasn’t a homophobic angle to what happened in the Zimmerman vs Martin incident

Not according to Rachel Jeantel.

Rachel Jeantel Tells Piers She And Trayvon Feared Zimmerman Might Be Rapist
http://t.mediaite.com/mediaite/#!/entry/rachel-jeantel-tells-piers-she-and-trayvon-feared-zimmerman-might,51e5762fda27f5d9d0f8d828


48 posted on 07/18/2013 1:20:03 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Windflier; Smokin' Joe

Yes, the suffix “ass” is used as an intensifier, and I’ve heard it used by non-blacks in other contexts.

Broke-ass Stuart
Big-ass biscuits
Spicy-ass noodles


49 posted on 07/18/2013 1:20:31 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: FreedomPoster
Rachel Jeantel Tells Piers She And Trayvon Feared Zimmerman Might Be Rapist

So why didn't she bring this up in her testimony? Jeantel's account of the event is growing like Pinnochio's nose.

50 posted on 07/18/2013 8:18:56 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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