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IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO END THIS WAY
ME | July 17, 2013 | swampsniper

Posted on 07/17/2013 1:40:38 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

When the Sanford, Florida PD investigated George Zimmerman 's claims of self defense all the evidence supported his claims. They handled the case exactly as they would any similar case.

When a mob appeared threatening to burn Sanford to the ground Sanford's gutless and spineless City Commissioners told the chief of police to throw Zimmerman to the mob, we don't want our windows broken or our customers scared away. The chief stood up for the law, as he was sworn to do and they fired him. They demoted the lead investigator because he would not lie for them.

The noise reached Tallhassee and more gutless spineless politicians, and they threw George Zimmerman to the mob.

Everything was right on track, George Zimmerman would be jailed until his trial, be defended by a public defender against all the power of the state, be convicted, and sent to prison. The mob would go away and everyone would soon forget George Zimmerman.

The problem is things didn't go that way. George Zimmerman found people eager to defend him, got the finest defense team in the world and won his freedom. The State is livid and the mob is enraged, justice has been done, they must have really wanted something else.

George Zimmerman was offered up as a sacrifice! If there has been any violation of civil rights in this case those violated rights have been George Zimmerman's.

I watched that trial, every single second of it. The protests are coming from those who could not have watched, they know nothing about what actually happened, what was demonstrated. They hate a man based only on gossip from the street.

The State is embarrassed, their lies didn't work so now they're telling more. If they had good sense they would just shut up!


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1 posted on 07/17/2013 1:40:38 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The problem has been the focus on irrelevant arguments – some of which are actually unsupported by the evidence.

1. ‘GZ racially profiled TM’ There is no evidence of this.

2. ‘GZ disobeyed an order by the police’ * The civilian dispatcher, Sean Noffke, testified that he did not give GZ an order and, in fact, he, like his fellow dispatchers, are trained not make comments that sound like commands. * Noffke also testified under cross that, as a result of his asking GZ which way TM was going, GZ could have reasonably interpreted this as being asked to follow Martin. * It is also not a crime in Florida to disregard a comment made by a civilian dispatcher.

3. ‘GZ got out of his car’ Not a crime on public property and not negligent either.

4. ‘GZ followed TM’ Again, anyone can follow anyone on a public street unless the followee has obtained a restraining order against the follower and even there, the RS only places time, place, and manner restrictions on the person enjoined.

5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defense laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.

6. ‘TM is dead through no fault of his own’ * If you believe that TM assaulted GZ, then he IS dead as a result of his own actions.

7. ‘GZ could have left’ * Under Florida law, there is not a duty to withdraw rather than use deadly force * TM was straddling GZ so how the latter was supposed to leave the scene is unanswered.

8. ‘GZ was armed and TM wasn’t’ * One’s fists can be considered weapons and can result in severe bodily harm or death. * GZ was legally carrying a weapon * There is no requirement under the law that the same weapon be used by the assailant * A homeowner can kill an intruder whether or not he has been threatened * Those that attack cannot feign surprise if they are met with superior firepower.

9. ‘Stand Your Ground!’ * SYG is NOT at issue in this trial. * The defense is a classic self-defense case.

10. ‘Black men NEVER get to use SYG!’ * Wrong http://tinyurl.com/nboht35

11. ‘GZ is a man and TM was a boy!’ * As if ‘boys’ don’t commit murder, rape, and assault everyday in this country.


2 posted on 07/17/2013 1:42:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Had the situation been handled different by Trayvon Martin, he might still be alive.
But, NO !
It DID NOT go that way.


3 posted on 07/17/2013 1:45:31 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Nobody ever claimed the cowardly politicians had any sense : )

I will gladly watch, as their careers go into permanent meltdown.


4 posted on 07/17/2013 1:45:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Reading that I get the strange feeling I have read it before.

Like, the author was Matthew, or Mark, or Luke somebody...


5 posted on 07/17/2013 1:45:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The angry, feral mob could have watched every second of the trial just as you did. It would not have made a difference. The angry, feral mob is still an angry, feral mob looking for any excuse to loot, pillage, rape and destroy. No amount of reason or rationality will reach this mindless, degenerate herd.


6 posted on 07/17/2013 1:46:02 PM PDT by SkiKnee
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To: Yosemitest

I have a feeling that that hypothetical conversation would

ENRAGE

any activist leftist.

Mostly because it would point out the stark contrasts in culture between the urban and the Civilized West.


7 posted on 07/17/2013 1:48:52 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
GZ was armed and TM wasn't

Why has no one brought up the flaw here? How was Zimmerman supposed to know if Trayvon was armed or not? And would Trayvon have attacked Zimmerman if he thought Zimmerman was armed?

8 posted on 07/17/2013 1:49:14 PM PDT by grania
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
When a mob appeared threatening to burn Sanford to the ground ...

Right there is when this became directed and orchestrated by the Obama White House and DemoRat Marxists for the purpose of gun control and removal of the right of self defense, and that is the entirety since then.

9 posted on 07/17/2013 1:49:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“They hate a man based only on gossip from the street.”

Isn’t that enough? /sarc


10 posted on 07/17/2013 1:49:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

bkmk


11 posted on 07/17/2013 1:53:12 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To your first point that GZ racially profiled TM. It wouldn’t matter even if he had done so. Laws against racial profiling only apply to governmental agencies. There is no law against private individuals profiling racially or otherwise. It is done all the time including by Jesse Jackson who once famously said, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”


12 posted on 07/17/2013 1:55:06 PM PDT by Dogfaced Soldier
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Can’t get enough of MOM.


13 posted on 07/17/2013 1:55:20 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Nail, meet hammer.

EXCELLENT!

Thank you


14 posted on 07/17/2013 1:55:27 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Yosemitest

Excuse me while I ROTFLMAO for about 5 minutes. That sounds like Eddie Haskell and the security guard or something. From a completely different century.


15 posted on 07/17/2013 1:55:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I saw the headline and I thought it was about Western Civilization.


16 posted on 07/17/2013 1:56:35 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Now you know why gun sales are up like never before. Nobody trusts the system any more, any system.


17 posted on 07/17/2013 1:57:22 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s the difference between love and hate!


18 posted on 07/17/2013 1:59:07 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The State is embarrassed, their lies didn't work so now they're telling more. If they had good sense they would just shut up!

If the racists in Washington, D.C. and Florida had had good sense, they'd have outgrown racism with the vast majority of Americans a long time ago.

19 posted on 07/17/2013 1:59:11 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The gutless politicians of Floriduh and Washington who were wagging their tongues 16 months ago can’t seem to find them now —

There are a lot of political careers going down over this and there are others whose careers have ended before they started.


20 posted on 07/17/2013 1:59:37 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You watched that trial, every single second of it!

So did Angela Corey, and she still called GZ, "murderer!"

21 posted on 07/17/2013 2:01:13 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Yosemitest
Wonder if martin's father and girlfriend told trayvon that there is a neighborhood watch and did he know who Zimmerman was?

Would you rather live in a neighborhood of Zimmerman's or martins?

22 posted on 07/17/2013 2:09:17 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I also watched every minute of the trial and the stupid ones, like Sharpton, all on CNN, all black stupid ones, kept saying Z. disobeyed orders not to follow Trayvon. Z. followed T. just to kill an unarmed little black kid. I heard that so many times, it was sickening and they did it day after day after day. If they are that stupid, that they couldn’t hear the truth of the tape, they need to go live in the ghetto with others who don’t care what the truth is.


23 posted on 07/17/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: SkiKnee

Including most celebs who want to look cool to said group .


24 posted on 07/17/2013 2:09:47 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The protests are coming from those who could not have watched, they know nothing about what actually happened...

The whole case in a nutshell.


25 posted on 07/17/2013 2:14:13 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: hamboy

Angela believes that her lies are as good as anyone else’s facts.


26 posted on 07/17/2013 2:14:21 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SkiKnee

This is not going the way the libs intended. They are caught naked and alone and faced with a mob more angry than their feigned anger. They will be pulled out, root and branch by this and a thousand injustices done in the name of fairness, environmentalism, peace, justice, sexual rights, and all the other quirky caudes they have corrupted with their destructive intent.


27 posted on 07/17/2013 2:20:12 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Pretty much ended up the same for the state as did the Duke “persecution”. Notice how the state, MSM, imported race baiters. and institutional Progressives are now trying to save the agenda in spite of a catastrophic failure.


28 posted on 07/17/2013 2:24:08 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The short list would be the list of all administration officials that are NOT pathological liars!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

causes, not caudes. Sorry about the typo and failure to use spell ck.


29 posted on 07/17/2013 2:25:22 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Quote from a Psychology Professor I once had; “People are not who you think they are. People are not who they think they are. People are what they do. That is why this is called the behavioral science”. Forget the labels. They are all misleading. Pay attention to the behavior. Describe these people according to their behavior and all the racist politics dissolve into the nothingness from which they came. The word “racist” was a label invented by democrats to buy votes.
MORE:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-matter-what-color-you-are.html


30 posted on 07/17/2013 2:31:31 PM PDT by Samuel II (paypal)
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To: Eagles6
I prefer the country over the city, and I've lived in some of the larger cities in the world.
But, if I HAD TO CHOOSE, I'd take the Zimmerman's community, and I'd walk the community watch, armed.
31 posted on 07/17/2013 2:34:24 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Sorry, that exchange is impossible considering the cultural values, ethics, and mores the decedant came from.

To do so would make him a “b!@#$-azz n...” and “softer than wonder bread”, which BTW is another derogatory term for white people.

But your exchange is what ideally should have happened...


32 posted on 07/17/2013 2:37:06 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie
NO, it's not IMPOSSIBLE, but was only unconceivable ... to the hate-filled Trayvon Martin.
The reason the black community is sinking into hell, is BECAUSE "That line of dialogue is UNTHINKABLE to them."
Lord what shall we do?
33 posted on 07/17/2013 2:46:15 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Whew...thank goodness!

When I saw the thread title, I was afraid you were posting an opus.


34 posted on 07/17/2013 2:50:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: grania

Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk and superior height and strength.


35 posted on 07/17/2013 2:54:29 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SWAMPSNIPER

I like that post. I like it a lot. Good rollup if facts.

No that anyone will read them, but hey...


36 posted on 07/17/2013 2:54:43 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

It’s utterly insane and stupid. I am so sorry this had to be written about on your FReeperversary.


37 posted on 07/17/2013 2:57:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Old Sarge

I stole it from the comments at a British newspaper article and changed the spelling of “defence” to “defense” but otherwise left it alone.


38 posted on 07/17/2013 2:59:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BKMK


39 posted on 07/17/2013 3:03:23 PM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: Mama Shawna

The mob is always made up of societies losers. They are seeking relevance based revenge. You can not reason with people who don’t know the facts to begin with.


40 posted on 07/17/2013 3:12:17 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: spawn44

Ain’t that the truth. I’ve been slowly posting FACTS about this case on FB, hoping some of the people who went off after the verdict might actually get a clue, and learn that they have been manipulated by selective reporting. For some, tho, it’s a hopeless effort.


41 posted on 07/17/2013 3:20:07 PM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes Z was offered up as a sacrifice to appease the mob.


42 posted on 07/17/2013 4:09:46 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Combat is my normal state of mind at this point.


43 posted on 07/17/2013 4:54:06 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

She was so obsessed to get guilty verdict, the prosecution seemed to be in la la land most of the time. I watched the FoxNews VOD over and over, prosecutors faces while verdict was read they couldn’t built what they heard.


44 posted on 07/17/2013 5:08:25 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Correction to the typo...

She was so obsessed to get guilty verdict, the prosecution seemed to be in la la land most of the time. I watched the FoxNews VOD over and over, prosecutors faces while verdict was read they couldn’t believed what they heard.

45 posted on 07/17/2013 5:11:36 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy
Maybe she was hoping for a date with Sharpton.

The fly in their ointment was the defense fund, Zimmerman wasn't expected to mount a defense. They were upset about the money from the moment they discovered it.

46 posted on 07/17/2013 5:12:39 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Yosemitest
Exactly. Lot of folks realize it could have been them.

I live in a rural area and if I had seen a hooded figure walking around in a yard close to a house in the rain I probably would have done the same thing

47 posted on 07/17/2013 7:16:59 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Nobody ever claimed the cowardly politicians had any sense : )

Sense is not what is lacking among politicians. If only it were.

48 posted on 07/17/2013 7:20:52 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in in a long time I am proud of my country.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Amen!


49 posted on 07/17/2013 7:24:11 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport; All
I may have a strange take on this but to my way of thinking the demonstrators should be held accountable for any changes their presence caused to the treatment George received. He was obviously treated differently than anyone else in the same situation would have been, at far greater cost both materially and emotionally.
50 posted on 07/17/2013 7:32:26 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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