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Pennsylvania Republicans Looking to Push Out Their Governor
National Journal ^ | 17 July 2013 | Alex Roarty

Posted on 07/18/2013 7:22:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

Tom Corbett is one of the most unpopular politicians in the country. Now his own party is turning on him.

The biggest question in Pennsylvania politics right now isn't whether Gov. Tom Corbett will win reelection. It's whether he'll even get the chance.

Beset by legislative failures and bleak poll numbers, the Republican looks like the country's most vulnerable governor heading into the 2014 election. And Republicans are questioning whether they should let Corbett face a near-certain defeat when they could find a ready replacement with a much better chance of winning. Already, speculation among GOP operatives has shifted to a quartet of candidates the party might turn to, including several Republicans in the state's congressional delegation. Fearful of alienating a sitting governor, they've done little to publicly jockey for the potential opening. But all are said to be keeping a close eye on Corbett.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: corbett; donothing; playitsafe; rino
Tom Corbett is a mixed bag and I'm willing to listen to what other Pennsylvania Freepers (and out neighbors) think.

How quickly people forget that his administration has largely driven the kleptocracy which Ed Rendell so carefully constructed over his eight years of misrule underground. The anti-business climate has gone and the Commonwealth is slowly limping back.

The biggest rap on Corbett seems to be that he really hasn't accomplished anything, especially if you don't count little things like submitting state budgets on time and reducing the deficit. These don't get headlines.

He's also chosen his battles poorly. Rather than taking on the unions head-on where we won (in Wisconsin and Michigan) or lost (in Ohio), Corbett has actually used those examples to threaten them into a more reasonable posture. Again, commendable but again, no headlines.

Privatizing the state liquior stores is a prime example of a poorly chosen. Yeah, our system is antiquted and it makes little sense. But the union which runs it is powerful and even got some social conservatives on their side. As hard as it may seem for some outsiders to believe in the beer guzzling culture which dominates our two largest cities, there is almost a prohibitionist sentiment in some areas of our rural "T". And our rural population is not small-- one of the reasons the GOP remains competitive in the northeast region of the country where it has mostly died elsewhere there, with the possible exception of New Hampshire.

It seemed like such a good idea at the time-- a small goal, which was already the way of doing business in the other 49 states. But in 20-20 hindsight, it was a poor choice given the small results to be accomplished had it succeeded.

Personally, I like Tom. I think he is an honest man, albeit with certain RINO tendencies. He has done some very good things here, including (and maybe especially) fairly modest cuts in the education budget which has that lobby screaming louder than ever for his scalp, but which have played a big role in slowing the march to financial Armegeddon.

All-in-all, I think he deserves to be rewarded with a second term. But, realistically, I just don't see how he gets there. He'd be better off bowing out gracefully now and running to get his old job back in 2016.

1 posted on 07/18/2013 7:22:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

We elected Corbett to hold the line on taxes. And up till his recent cave on transportation funding, he did. All the rest is Democrat spin.

The guy is not very colorful or articulate. This leaves him vulnerable when he comes under attack from the usual suspects.

What has happened IMO is that he went in to hold the line on taxes but the Obama Economy has remained depressed for much longer than any of them expected. Hence a number of fiscal crises are now coming to a head. There are no good solutions, and he is taking all the heat for the bad ones currently under discussion.

That and the fact that most Pennsylvanians are disabused with the stupid idea that it’s the government’s job to provide jobs for them.


2 posted on 07/18/2013 7:31:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vigilanteman
A big litmus test should be whether Corbett jealously pursues a defense of their marriage law, which is now under attack.

I think that would go a long way toward improving his ratings.

3 posted on 07/18/2013 7:47:52 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Corbett is corrupt but his agenda is mostly Conservative. He’s trying to privatize liquor sales and eliminate nuisance taxes and has also slashed budgets, and that’s one of the real reasons that the RINOs don’t like him.


4 posted on 07/18/2013 7:50:24 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Vigilanteman

If Corbett wants reelected all he has to do is eliminate property taxes; landslide victory. But I’m quite convinced that I’ll never see the day when a person can outright own a piece of property in PA. The republicans certainly talked a good game when Rendel was Governor but I truly believe every PA politician is a rat-bastard.


5 posted on 07/18/2013 7:52:12 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: Vigilanteman

Boy, holding on to the PA governership heading into 2016 would sure make things a lot more pleasant.


6 posted on 07/18/2013 7:53:04 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: WinMod70
I couldn't agree more. Corbett refused to involve himself or his administration in the property tax reform battle. If he had, and it passed, he would walk away with a victory in 2014. He still has a year to get it done so it isn't too late. However, as of today, he doesn't seem to be inclined to jump into the fray.

Without property tax elimination he has no chance for reelection. The unions will be out in force because of him trying to privatize the state lottery and the liquor stores. The trouble is that the state Republican committee is mostly RINOs who are to the left of Corbett. For them to back a conservative challenger is not even a possibility.

7 posted on 07/18/2013 8:17:26 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: fwdude
A big litmus test should be whether Corbett jealously pursues a defense of their marriage law, which is now under attack.

Another reason I wish he had his old job back. We now have a useless political hack as AG. Corbett can ask her to her job, but he really can't order it since it is an independently elected office.

About all he could further do is support impeachment proceedings against her and we don't have the votes in the legislature to do that.

8 posted on 07/18/2013 8:20:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Great analysis, Buck. About the best I've seen so far.

One of Corbett's best virtues is that he isn't particularly colorful. It wouldn't be unfair to describe him as boring, sort of like the Calvin Coolidge of Pennsylvania politics.

Unfortunately, that isn't seen as an asset in today's political environment.

9 posted on 07/18/2013 8:24:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I'm a teacher, so although I work for a parochial system, I'm surrounded by left-leaning people. He has no discernible support among them because they perceive him as anti-education and anti-teacher. I don't think he could do anything to win their support as long as he has an R by his name.

We're also a Penn State family, with two sons enrolled there. He looks too much like someone who protected fellow members of the board of trustees and was reluctant to pursue early indications of a problem with Sandusky. Another strike against him.

Finally, I've been a committee person since 2009, and I'm disgusted with the state of GOP leadership within the state and our county. It's lukewarm and torn by factions. I don't see him helping with this situation at all. He doesn't come across as a figurehead within the party and does nothing to unite it. I think he is a reasonably good administrator, but not as strong a leader as we need.

10 posted on 07/18/2013 8:25:16 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Timber Rattler

Corbett is not the first GOP Gov to try and kill off our antiquated State Store system. It always fails when the unions start throwing their temper-tantrum that this would kill off “good union jobs”.


11 posted on 07/18/2013 8:27:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vigilanteman

48 states. We’re still better than Utah. ;-)


12 posted on 07/18/2013 8:36:09 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I don't think so. You can walk into any 7-11 in Utah and walk out with a six-pack as long as you have the money to pay for it and the proper ID if you look underage.

I think Utah may regulate alcohol content a little more than Pennsylvania, but that's about it.

13 posted on 07/18/2013 8:47:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Think free or die

I’ve heard that same charge. It’s all about Jerry Sandusky.

Truth is, ANY Governor would have done likewise and run interference for JoePa until the burden of evidence became totally overwhelming. Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge, ANY of ‘em.

JoePa was like a patron saint here. Truth be told, a more powerful man than the Governor.


14 posted on 07/18/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vigilanteman

I understood Utah’s (hard) liquor was also sold in state stores only and that they were even more inconvenient than ours.

I know they have a ridiculous rule where drinks have to be mixed out of the sight of anybody.


15 posted on 07/18/2013 8:52:16 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Vigilanteman

Besides, you can get beer from the Giant Eagle now in many locations.

I am opposed to selling the state stores because I don’t trust any of our politicians with such a windfall in revenue. Look how much the casino money helped in reducing taxes for the common man.


16 posted on 07/18/2013 8:53:43 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Buckeye McFrog
What you said plus the state store system is a genuine money maker for the state. Nevermind that we would make as much and likely more from the taxes generated through privitazation. The fact that the state run stores actually makes money is probably a compelling enough fact (along with entrenched unions) to ensure the system is unlikely to change in our lifetimes.

Sad that Corbett got sucked into this losing battle. There were so many more winnable fights which would have had far more impact.

17 posted on 07/18/2013 8:53:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SoothingDave
Look how much the casino money helped in reducing taxes for the common man.

You win with that argument.

18 posted on 07/18/2013 8:56:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Think free or die

I’m curious as to why you are surrounded by lefties in a parochial system. I’d think they would be resentful for doing the same work as public school teachers for less money. Or, do they all harbor dreams that they will eventually get on that gravy train?


19 posted on 07/18/2013 8:59:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“JoePa was like a patron saint here. Truth be told, a more powerful man than the Governor.”

That is probably a true statement. And isn’t it sad that we place our values on some guy who manages some lame a$$ed game! I had one of my professional engineers tell me when OJ was on trial for killing his wife that “he knew OJ didn’t do it because he was a sports figure!” The majority of our “citizens” haven’t the intellect to separate sports from reality.


20 posted on 07/18/2013 9:15:19 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Vigilanteman

Corbett isn’t perfect by any stretch, but he’s no squish RINO, either.
Personally, I would prefer not to see a bloody primary. Those should be saved for the real scum. What I want to see is Corbett actively and relentlessly defend Pennsylvania’s ban on turd poker “marriage”.


21 posted on 07/18/2013 9:22:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Vigilanteman

Any more most parochial school teachers are in a holding pattern, salivating for the day a slot opens up in a public school district.

Of the rest, a lot of them are there because they’re left-wing social justice Thomas Merton Catholics.


22 posted on 07/18/2013 9:35:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vigilanteman

He’s done okay as Far as I’m concerned. He is really ruing to get the pension reform done as his biggest priority, even though there are loud voices calling for ‘right to work’. And I give him kudos for getting the Voter I.D. law through, even though the Left is using the courts to hold it up. That one WAS/is my single biggest priority and he got the job done. Aside from that, my frustration still lies with the ancient Liquor Control Board b.s., which apparently has entrenched interest on both sides to keep it in place. The Pa. legislature needs a BIG housekeeping...it’s huge and many have held those offices for years. We need some more fresh faces there.


23 posted on 07/18/2013 10:06:23 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Nope. Exactly because of the Rendell kleptocracy is why, along with the GOP control of both houses, he should have been more aggressive. Pension reform, privitization of the liquor monopoly, right-to-work, and voter ID are the big ones. Now he’s letting the AG walk all over the laws of the Commonwealth with nary a peep. I voted for the guy and had much hope but I am willing to see who else may be interested.


24 posted on 07/18/2013 10:08:09 AM PDT by LilyODavalley
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Thornburgh tried too. Entrenched interests on both sides keeping that nightmare alive.


25 posted on 07/18/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: LilyODavalley

I do have to put a lot of blame on the bi-polar voters of this state, who, after electing a Republican Governor, House and Senate, then went and elected a left-wing Democrat activist as AG to undermine everything those elected branches were doing.

There would be a lot more momentum to ditch the state stores if they still operated the old way....inconvenient hours, closed on Sunday, Soviet-style layout where you handed the clerk a note through a window to select among limited variety.

Recent moves with Sunday sales/bigger stores/better variety has blunted that sentiment somewhat.


26 posted on 07/18/2013 10:37:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: WinMod70

To geezers of a certain vintage, Tom Corbett was a space cadet.


27 posted on 07/18/2013 11:09:28 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Vigilanteman
"I’m curious as to why you are surrounded by lefties in a parochial system. I’d think they would be resentful for doing the same work as public school teachers for less money. Or, do they all harbor dreams that they will eventually get on that gravy train?"

Some hope to move, but most get settled and stay put. We have a lot of career changers, and for them there are advantages to being in a place that doesn't require all the effort of state certification. They're not all lefties, but like much of our society, they are typically the loudest in stating their opinions. Like many of our "Cafeteria Catholic" neighbors, I have colleagues who pick and choose among church teachings. They're conservative in many ways and yet vote D . . . I see that among many of our Jewish neighbors as well. They live their own family lives in very traditional ways, but support dependency among others when they vote.

28 posted on 07/18/2013 2:05:37 PM PDT by Think free or die
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