Skip to comments.Can Quantum Mechanics Produce a Universe from Nothing?
Posted on 07/18/2013 10:36:09 AM PDT by kimtom
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Nope. That is God’s job
I don't see why a particle of matter and a particle of anti-matter can't be spawned from nothing.
But I think that what is really going on there is that their are dimensions of our universe that are invisible to us.
I also think that the basis of consciousness is hidden in one or more of those dimensions.
As you know, it’s already built-in to the Dirac and Klein-Gordon equations, and it’s happening to infinite orders every time an electron experiences the attraction of a proton (for example.) There’s nothing exotic about it. The exchange of gauge bosons holding the world together can’t happen without it.
Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED"
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
The Casimir effect is the result of exclusion of certain wave lengths based upon the distance the plates are apart. The wave lengths exist due to the Universe which generates the waves of energy, so the Casimir effect has nothing to do with how a Universe could come into existence.
“Now, here these ID deniers come along and tell us with a straight face...”
Your confusing liberals w/scientists.
ID deniers would be liberals. Scientists would be those that don’t care one way or the other.
That’s why they say the “big bang” or whatever else, is just a “theory”.
As a Catholic and an Engineer, I have no prob mixing faith and science. God gave man an ability to reason and that’s all the scientists do.
However, there are those that do work for political agendas, like global warming, etc., that are exercising political science, not physical science.
I have no prob w/the big bang theory myself. After all, maybe that’s how God DID it.
The entropy of the Universe at the instant of the singularity was the lowest it's ever been, and has been increasing ever since. It's initial value is not particularly interesting; it is merely circumstantial. Whatever it was it's higher now, and will be higher tomorrow.
In a PET scan of your own body.
So THAT'S where those shovel ready jobs are...
bump for later reading
E = mc2. The matter and antimatter have mass and in order to conserve the energy in their masses gamma rays are created when they annihilate.
Um, can you explain how such a low entropy state could exist, much less begin increasing without an impetus?
I must be older than you. I’m hearing, “Life is but a dream, sh-boom...”
Stranger things have happened! (Well, in this case actually they haven't! :O )
I like the street scientist’s explanation: Vacuum energy is not nothin’.
“””..I also think that the basis of consciousness is hidden in one or more of those dimensions....”
Can we understand the mind of God??
The Casimir effect arises because of vacuum state energy which is indeed the focus of this article. You are mistaken and the original poster is correct. Since this is quite well established, I’ll expect a citation as a rebuttal (and not from a religious website.)
I don’t think you’re refuting what he was saying. You’re just taking a wave view instead of a particle view of the Casimir Effect.
Who created God?
That explanation doesn’t necessarily apply, because pair production doesn’t just involve virtual particles; there is annihilation even in cases where no vacuum state is involved...
My question on that Big Bang theory is where did those atoms or whatever it was come from before they blew up?
True or Jest? Either way, very clever.
If something exists, the question of whether quantum mechanics could have created the something from a nothing is just the sort of arrogant question haters of religion think represent their intellect.
What causes the Casimir effect? The proximity of the plates being charged excludes certain wave lengths which in turn 'push' upon the outer surfaces of the plates?
For there to be wavelengths, time must exist. Before the 'bang' time nor space exited. Time and Space were made to exist, then events started occurring and things started to exist, even your arrogant self.
A fellow Hitchhiker!
The CONTENTS of this Universe, yes, will have changed into another form. Infinite space and infinite time cannot change, never began, cannot end.
Who created God?
God never began, does not change, cannot end. Only that which is subject to finite begin, change, end.
“..This is not a scientific article..”
Why is it when your beliefs are challenged you feel threatened???
or maybe that’s just my opinion...
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin ?
“...How many angels can dance on the head of a pin ?...”
why would they do that?
Yes! If the Federal Reserve can produce money from nothing then Quantum Mechanics surely can produce a Universe...............
Look in my bank account.
You're missing the point. The value of the initial entropy of the universe doesn't matter: it is whatever it is. The issue of importance is that entropy always increases. How that law came into existence is not a matter of physics, it's metaphysics. And just as I argue elsewhere on this thread, material reality is not a necessary reality, it is a contingent reality. Physicists (like Stephen Hawking) who argue that the material evolution of the universe don't require God might very well be correct. But their point is also irrelevant, because it doesn't tell us where the laws creating and driving material come from, and that is what matters.
A Christian would argue thus: all this "stuff" is just "stuff," and in a metaphysical sense as it applies to the question of Creation is purely incidental [environmental, if you prefer.] It came into existence by God's Word. That is all that is required. And that is what the laws of physics are.
[Now there is another part of this, outside of what we are talking about, which is this: God does not do anything for no reason. The universe has the specific characteristics it has, and the specific laws that govern it for a reason. The actual form He has used to actuate the material world matters, for reasons that are completely unknown to us. But that doesn't alter the present discussion, whose point is, in arguing the existence of God, you are straining at a gnat from a metaphysical point of view when you ask the question why was the entropy low at the start of creation. The real question is why is there entropy, and why does it increase, and the answer is to make time possible, without which our flesh cannot exist.]
“...space and infinite time cannot change, never began, cannot end...”
...as we know it.
That’s it! I am opening up an automobile repair shop and naming it Quantum Mechanics!
The Publishers of Popular Mechanics.
No. Quantum mechanics is not an object, and is not energy. It’s a set of rules that attempt to describe how matter and energy act under certain conditions.
“nothing” can’t do anything. Nothing is a convenient word used to talk about the absence of something. Like “dark” or “cold” or “space.”
Where/when there is no matter and no energy, it is ludicrous to talk about “nothing” causing “something.”
Unless the speaker is a scientist hell bent on disproving that the universe’s cause is external to itself.
But then where’s the cat box!? Hmmmm?
Arrogance is not involved on my part, but on your part. I EXPECT a citation because your explanation is not the explanation accepted by science. If you are saying this on your own authority, you’re mistaken. The Casimir effect is not produced by the mechanism you posit, and you won’t find any scientist in the world who agrees with you.
My wallet seems to definitely be under the influence of quantum mechanics ... cash pops in and out of it at an alarmingly random pace.
Gravity is dust on my furniture
Space is the absence of dog and cat in bed...........
There is an interesting take on this in Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism going way back.
They said that the purpose for the universe is that God had a question He could not answer: Is there anything *not* God?
So God decided to create the universe as a mirror of His image. To do this, God created a “contraction”, a vacuum, in which there was no God. Into the center of this vacuum, God sent a very complicated “bolt of lightning”, which created a single particle in the center of the contraction.
The particle was to continually replicate until it had made the entire universe. Once complete, God will look upon it, answer His question, and the universe will cease to exist, the contraction with vanish, and everything will become part of God again.
Cat boxes could be anywhere.
Nothing would be better than a black-hole kitty box!
“...God does not do anything for no reason. The universe has the specific characteristics it has, and the specific laws that govern it for a reason....”
We must keep in mind that Gods ways and thoughts are higher than our ways and thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out (Romans 11:33).
The Bible, however, does give us a clue as to why God created the stars and planets throughout the Universe. In the book of Psalms, David praised God, and wrote about how the moon and the stars are the work of His fingers (8:1-4). He then wrote: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork (19:1). The heavenly bodies show Gods glory and creative ability. They exist (at least partly) to serve as a proof of Gods existence and His power.
Another reason God created the many hosts of heaven may also have to do with the fact that He knew men would use the stars at night to help them know which direction they were going (Genesis 1:14).
The pin is hot?
You have a better understanding of the current ‘model’ of the Universe than most ‘geniuses’.
And by the same token, I would not cite an article about science from a theologian.
How do you know she is or is not a genius?
No. One must have legos, an erector set, and at least a 12 pack of good beer...