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Is Social Security disability program ‘backdoor welfare’?
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 07/09/2103 | Eric Boehm

Posted on 07/18/2013 4:37:17 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

SNIP-- But in recent years, the number of workers receiving disability checks has shot upwards at an alarming rate. Nationally, the number of disability beneficiaries rose by 39 percent between 2003 and 2011. In Pennsylvania, the rate climbed by 50 percent during the same period. More than 300,000 Pennsylvanians now collect a monthly social security disability check. The recent rise in disability payments is also counterintuitive. In a day and age when medical advances mean people are living longer and healthier lives than ever before, shouldn’t there be fewer disabled workers? DeHaven says it is because Congress has expanded eligibility to the point that Social Security disability has been turned into “a back-door welfare program”

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1 posted on 07/18/2013 4:37:17 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: P.O.E.

** Pa Ping **


2 posted on 07/18/2013 4:39:22 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Yes.


3 posted on 07/18/2013 4:40:30 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Kid Shelleen

They have law firms that specialize in getting people on disability. It’s an industry.


4 posted on 07/18/2013 4:40:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Yes. Yes. and Yes.

It’s no coincidence that the dramatic upward tick in the number of recipients corresponds with the ending of the ridiculously extended unemployment period back when Demonrats were buying votes with unemployment benefits.

Disability is a huge scam and it’s sad that those who really need and and have earned it often don’t get it as quickly as they should because the system is so bogged down with fraud.


5 posted on 07/18/2013 4:42:55 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The article mentions that..


6 posted on 07/18/2013 4:43:09 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen
That's a rhetorical question I assume.
7 posted on 07/18/2013 4:43:14 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Hearing my doctor telling me I would never be able to return to my job was one of the worst moments of my life.


8 posted on 07/18/2013 4:43:18 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Is Social Security disability program ‘backdoor welfare’?

You bet your ass it is as is SS the way it’s run.

What you get out of SS should be exactly what you paid in and what your employer(s) pay... that’s 100% return on investment by the way and that’s all you get. You run out you’re on your own.

You should be given two options: 1): One big ass check for everything tax free or 2): Pick how many years you want YOUR money sent back to you. You die before that happens it should be given to your spouse (not significant other) or a family member.


9 posted on 07/18/2013 4:44:09 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: GatorGirl
Disability is a huge scam

Don't worry. Immigration reform will fix that. /s
10 posted on 07/18/2013 4:44:45 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen

DUH


11 posted on 07/18/2013 4:45:43 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I live in Japan. Currently an independent contractor editing scientific papers and technical manuals. OK, things are not great, but I’m happily married, my wife has a good job, we get by, even add a bit to the savings now and then.

Last week I got an email from a company that claims to have an association with the VA, how they found me I have no idea, but basically they told me that because I was medically discharged from the Navy that I was pretty much guaranteed a disability payment from Social Security, and offered to help me put in a claim. The kicker was the line that said Social Security payments can be made, even for overseas residents, and that I would not have to return to the US to make a claim.

I deleted the email and emptied my trash before I could get tempted... but sometimes... especially when I think about all the other parasites out there, the utter hopelessness of changing things in my lifetime...

Why shouldn’t I get some, too?


12 posted on 07/18/2013 4:46:27 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Kid Shelleen

It’s welfare that never ends - and there’s no pesky social workers.


13 posted on 07/18/2013 4:47:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Department of Justice to Americans:'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?')
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To: Kid Shelleen

I know because my wife worked at one for a while.


14 posted on 07/18/2013 4:48:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

It certainly pays for a lot of lawyers to be advertizing on TV for more takers these days.


15 posted on 07/18/2013 4:48:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kid Shelleen

I cannot believe the number of disability folks I see at my work. One 19 yr old fella repeatedly denied he had any medical problems. When I followed up w/ the question “Why are you on Medicare?” he was stunned. Then he said he had a gunshot wound to the leg when he was 13 yrs old. He no longer had a medical problem — he even knew it & repeatedly denied any medical problems. But now he is on permanent medical disability.

Unfortunately, I think the Social Security judges who evaluate people’s claims have a list of acceptable diseases/donditions which qualify the qualify for disability. The easy way is for the judges to stamp their approval for disability — that way they get better approval ratings. Perhaps this is typical govt employee? Tired & wants to get home from work?


16 posted on 07/18/2013 4:50:24 PM PDT by Kay
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To: Kid Shelleen

duh.


17 posted on 07/18/2013 4:50:31 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

yes


18 posted on 07/18/2013 4:50:37 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

That’s basically what it has become.

I know of young, able bodied people still in their 30’s who are on disablity because they are just overweight. They aren’t disabled - they are just food hogs.

And others under 40 years old and on disability because they drink too much or smoke too much dope to keep a job.

It’s a disgusting turn of events and one of the reasons we hear all the whining about Social security going broke.


19 posted on 07/18/2013 4:53:19 PM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That’s a terrible thing. Unfortunately, there are plenty of scammers clogging up the system, making it very difficult for the deserving to obtain benefits.


20 posted on 07/18/2013 4:55:56 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Kid Shelleen
“Under the social security disability program, people are getting money they are entitled to that has been taken out of their paychecks over the years,” he said. “It’s disingenuous to call it a hand-out.”

Call it a scam if you want but it is an insurance program just like any other privately held policy. The problem lies in the unusual definition of 'disability' as pointed out in the article that includes non medical issues.

SSDI (disability) is not the same as SSI and are often confused.

Consider if you were involved in an automobile accident and turned in an insurance claim to your insurer, should you feel guilty??? I don't think you would,after all that is what you paid for.

21 posted on 07/18/2013 4:58:53 PM PDT by whodathunkit (DOJ + NSA + IRS = DNI)
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To: Kid Shelleen

i met a middle class couple who are both on disabilty. the woman said she had bad hands. they looked ok to me. we have wheel chair people in my biulding that can’t even sit up in their chairs — working. major scam


22 posted on 07/18/2013 5:01:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (i don't beleive that any court in this country is operating lawfully anyway)
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To: Kid Shelleen

If you knew how many children labeled “special education” (learning disabled, behavior disordered,etc.) receive disability you would feint.


23 posted on 07/18/2013 5:05:48 PM PDT by cyberstoic
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To: Kid Shelleen
" Social Security disability has been turned into “a back-door welfare program

ALL Taxpayer handout-for-Votes Programs are simply wealth-redistribution for the benefit of Re-Election, and let the taxpayers be the deep pockets.

Banks, Businesses, Minorities, Baby-Killing support, etc. are ALL just money-laundering to get re-Elected, and when the taxpayers are gone, the Civil War will weed out the non-productive.

24 posted on 07/18/2013 5:05:52 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I wish congress understood the adverse effects that disability often has on individuals & their families. Most people, including people born with handicaps, have things they can do in society. Consider Helen Keller — deaf & blind — oh, my, what a woman!

But the worst is when the disabled person’s children are affected. “Little Sean needs a note for school.”

“Oh, well, no he isn’t sick — we overslept. And can you excuse him for the last week?”


25 posted on 07/18/2013 5:06:30 PM PDT by Kay
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To: kvanbrunt2

Unfortunately, that is often the case.


26 posted on 07/18/2013 5:08:40 PM PDT by Kay
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To: traditional1
the Civil War will weed out the non-productive

WOW, this seems so familiar. Where have I heard this before ???

27 posted on 07/18/2013 5:09:14 PM PDT by whodathunkit (DOJ + NSA + IRS = DNI)
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To: Kid Shelleen
In a day and age when medical advances mean people are living longer and healthier lives than ever before, shouldn’t there be fewer disabled workers?

These so-called disabled people call it the "crazy check". There is nothing wrong with them. It can't be proved one way or the other.

28 posted on 07/18/2013 5:10:42 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: Kay
"Social Security judges who evaluate people’s claims have a list of acceptable diseases/donditions which qualify the qualify for disability."

ONE of the questions on the Form that asks "RACE" should be removed.

If you check "Black", "Hispanic", and also check "not working", you go to the top of the stack for Approvals.

Whites cannot claim they were denied because of their "Race", whereas, there's always Discrimination Claims for the non-whites if they're denied.

How many inner-city tribal parasites do you think are collecting EBT's, Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, WIC, Medicaid Coverage, and ALSO get SSDI funds?????

29 posted on 07/18/2013 5:12:19 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Is the sky blue?


30 posted on 07/18/2013 5:12:25 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Kid Shelleen

The most shocking thing is that this article appears in the Inquirer...


31 posted on 07/18/2013 5:13:41 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I agree there are abuses, but I have a relative who is most definitely disabled by a disease no one should have. The payments are not generous.


32 posted on 07/18/2013 5:15:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That plus sleazy doctors plus state bureaucrats who are more than willing to dole outout “other people’s money”.


33 posted on 07/18/2013 5:18:23 PM PDT by Bob
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To: SueRae

LOL!


34 posted on 07/18/2013 5:19:32 PM PDT by Kay
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To: cyberstoic

Yep I encountered one family who had three “disabled” kids. At $700 per month SSI per child that is $2100.00 per month. Over $25,000.00 per year. Cash, tax free.

Their “disability”? ADHD. All three.


35 posted on 07/18/2013 5:20:38 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Kid Shelleen
In an economy with low unemployment, employers would have to be a lot less selective, and it would be easier for the borderline disabled to find jobs they could adapt to. Add to that, why would an employer hire a disabled person with all of the hassle providing for their needs, or if they want to fire them?

Are there people who game the system? Sure. There are a lot more, though, who are for real. I'd prefer it if they had to do some kind of work to get a check, or course. That's another issue.

36 posted on 07/18/2013 5:24:06 PM PDT by grania
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To: whodathunkit
"the Civil War will weed out the non-productive"

WOW, this seems so familiar. Where have I heard this before? ???

I don't know, but I sure hope we hear it more often.....

37 posted on 07/18/2013 5:30:29 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Kid Shelleen
When I moved to WA several years ago I really learned how bad the "disability" situation was. The guy we hired to mow our lawn was on permanent disability for falling off a ladder years earlier. He does odd jobs when he's not out on his sailboat.

We have two duplexes up there... about 90% of all applicants are on disability for things like being obese, attention deficit, or various other "conditions".

38 posted on 07/18/2013 5:39:45 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The system was created by people of good will so those who couldn’t work and were disabled would be able to live with dignity.

When enough scammers abuse they system it’ll go bankrupt - when that happen the scammers will move on to the next scam and the elderly and those really disabled will die.


39 posted on 07/18/2013 5:40:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (Department of Justice to Americans:'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?')
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To: Bob

The lawyers bring down the corpse that the rest of the scavengers feed on.


40 posted on 07/18/2013 5:42:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
They have law firms that specialize in getting people on disability. It’s an industry.

True, and those firms that boast they will do everything including the application are ripping off their truly disabled clients. About half of all applicants (ie. those with real disabilities) are approved without any further legal action. When they are approved, the person gets back pay from the date they applied. Those firms take 30% of that money for filling out an application. OTOH I know an honest disability lawyer (yes there are some) who won't do that. He tells clients to apply and then see him only if they are turned down.

41 posted on 07/18/2013 5:48:10 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin

I figured out what was going on after my wife worked there a few months. We were both appalled, but you can’t turn your nose up at any job these days. Eventually the woman lawyer who owned the firm got caught up in her own hubris and got disbarred. Took my wife almost a year to find another job.


42 posted on 07/18/2013 5:50:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Kay

“The easy way is for the judges to stamp their approval for disability — that way they get better approval ratings.”

Social Security judges are an independent agency (Office of Disability Adjudication and Review). They are not subject to performance reviews by Social Security, nor are they under any pressure to rule one way or another.


43 posted on 07/18/2013 6:50:45 PM PDT by MIDad23
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To: Kid Shelleen

Its back door unemployment. Folks who exhausted their unemployment were almost automaticly signed up as disabled in some areas.

IIRC the stories of a couple years ago.


44 posted on 07/18/2013 6:51:33 PM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: GatorGirl

Those who need it ...

Boy, ain’t that the truth. I work with a 64-year-old gal whose hip is just about bone-on-bone, but a long-planned hip replacement surgery keeps getting put on hold because of heart problems. In the meantime she tries to keep working. She should get disability.

42-year-old wife of a co-worker was turned down after suffering a heart attack and needing open heart surgery.

On the other hand, another one of our neighbors has been on disability for years for “back trouble.” He seems to be living a pretty normal life.

I don’t understand who qualifies and who does not.


45 posted on 07/18/2013 7:06:38 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: grania

Some are scam artists ...some are desperate 50 year olds who’ve exhausted every avenue to try and find a job in Obama’s economy. It’s game the system or starve. Hunger and desperation will do that to anyone.


46 posted on 07/18/2013 7:11:46 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Of course it is! I volunteer for a free health care clinic and can't tell you how many people come in wanting us to do Social Security Disability determinations. We don't do them. Most come in with a look of pain in their face, holding their back, limping, etc... When we tell them we don't do the determinations, they walk out without a limp or whatever, looking fine.

I know many people are actually disabled when they apply and those are the ones that get through the system the first try. The ones requiring lawyers to get them through are the iffy ones.

47 posted on 07/18/2013 7:37:45 PM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Is Social Security disability program ‘backdoor welfare’?

Most stupid question of the decade. Gonna be hard to top that.

That it was welfare has been obvious from the get-go. That they called it SS Disability would be prosecutable fraud in any private enterprise. It is functionally criminal fraud by Congress, but they made themselves immune from prosecution.

Pretty slick, eh?
Tens of millions of permanent voters!
Such a deal!

Finally, any suggestion that it be eliminated, or removed from Social Security, and moved to a clearly welfare-named program, is met with the mortal political scream that You can't touch Social Security!

And every senile geezer on the continent, unaware that he's being "had" again joins in the hysterical chorus.

Can you say, We've been Swived --- again?

Every time I think of how many people of a certain subculture bought a cane, visited a doctor well-known in certain circles, and have "won" a permanent disability check for life, having worked perhaps a total of two years their entire life in 40 temporary jobs just does nasty things to my blood pressure.

I often wonder how "fraud" was eliminated from the legal dictionary, from the social conscience, and from the working taxpayer obligation consciousness.

48 posted on 07/18/2013 8:21:46 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: publius911
I forgot.
"It's the right thing to do!"

And, "At this point, what difference does it make?"

The magic pixie dust money fairy incantation.

Nothing is impossible for demagogic dreamers --- working with other people's money.

49 posted on 07/18/2013 8:26:20 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Blackirish

No one starves in America even if they aren’t “gaming the system”.

There are churches, food pantries and even though we don’t like it, food stamps that are more than fair “game” in the present system.

No one needs to file a questionable or fraudulent disability claim.

The system’s gonna crash one day, hard, and then you’ll see the starvation. We need a complete overhaul and bring back personal and familial responsibility.


50 posted on 07/18/2013 8:51:14 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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