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Rubio Didn't Know Immigration Bill Allows Someone to Forge 2 Passports Before It's a Crime
CNS News ^ | 19 Jul 2013 | Alissa Tabirian

Posted on 07/19/2013 2:06:13 PM PDT by mandaladon

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)--a Republican member of the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” who helped write the Senate immigration bill and one of 14 Republicans who voted for the bill’s final passage--was unaware that the legislation he helped usher through the Senate allows a person to forge up to two passports without penalty. “Under the Senate immigration bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?” CNSNews.com asked Rubio Thursday on Capitol Hill.

“How many…you can’t forge any passports,” Rubio replied. ”That’s a federal crime now.”

CNSNews.com: “It’s actually a part of the bill that it’s up, that you can do two, and three and on it’s a crime. Why would that be a part of it?”

Rubio: “Well, first of all, I think what you’re talking about is the way the law is described vis-a-vis, umm, waivers that people can get. And as I said, I mean, there are elements of that bill that continue to be, need to be improved, and I myself have disagreements about the way the waiver structure was put in the bill, and my hope is that it can be improved through the House process when they do their own bill.”

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I guess he planned on reading the bill after it passed.
1 posted on 07/19/2013 2:06:13 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Why the bleep would he know that?


2 posted on 07/19/2013 2:07:15 PM PDT by GeorgeTex (Obama-Four M President (Mendacious Manchurian Muslim Marxist))
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To: mandaladon

Taking notes from Pelousy.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 2:07:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mandaladon

UNBELIEVABLE , LOL


4 posted on 07/19/2013 2:08:07 PM PDT by molson209
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To: mandaladon

Of course not, he didn’t write it, and neither did any other senator.

They are nothing but a bunch of bullsitters


5 posted on 07/19/2013 2:08:11 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: mandaladon

Another one of those Cracker Jack, “You gotta pass it before you get to see the surprise inside” bills the communists are so famous for and the Republicans fall for every time.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 2:08:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Keep your powder dry.)
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To: mandaladon

“Republican” means nothing anymore. Rubio is Obama with cilantro. Boenher is Obama that stinks of bourbon. They are all one entity.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 2:10:31 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Cracker Jack , LOL


8 posted on 07/19/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by molson209
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To: mandaladon

"Just lie like me. I imposed RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE
and the GOP promised to say otherwise as long as
I backstabbed "conservatives". We can do it together."

9 posted on 07/19/2013 2:11:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: mandaladon

Rubios is worse than a RINO he is a willingly useful idiot tool of the left that has the Republican brand on him....


10 posted on 07/19/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: molson209

LOL! I hadn’t thought of that! Nice catch!


11 posted on 07/19/2013 2:13:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Keep your powder dry.)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

IfyoubelievethisoneIvegot2forgedpassportsIcansellyou PING

plusagentlyusedbridge


12 posted on 07/19/2013 2:14:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mandaladon

It only takes one forgery to rise all the way to the top in USA.... (who needs 2?)


13 posted on 07/19/2013 2:14:35 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: mandaladon

“And as I said, I mean, there are elements of that bill that continue to be, need to be improved, and I myself have disagreements about the way the waiver structure was put in the bill, and my hope is that it can be improved through the House process when they do their own bill.”

Hummunahummanahummana....


14 posted on 07/19/2013 2:17:00 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Tennessee Nana

Pathetic little weasel, isn’t he?


15 posted on 07/19/2013 2:17:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: mandaladon

Do we really want someone that stupid as a candidate for President?? Guess not.


16 posted on 07/19/2013 2:17:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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To: mandaladon

I think that identity theft should have the same punishment as selling heroin. It is a very serious crime that does a lot of damage to individuals and to the country as a whole.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 2:17:34 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: mandaladon

Frickin Patzy.

You ate the poison pill provisioned in this bill which was designed to destroy your reputation .


18 posted on 07/19/2013 2:18:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

” Frickin Patzy.

You ate the poison pill provisioned in this bill which was designed to destroy your reputation .”

Hoist, meet petard.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 2:19:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Yoo hoo, Mr Rubio...do you know who put this provision into the bill (cackle)?

Immigration Reform Bill Protects Dirty Latino Public Officials from
prosecution. They are organized and ready to corrupt the US system.

NANCY SUCKS UP FOR VOTES Ntl Assoc of Latino Elected and Appt Officials Gala in DC
L-R--Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ); Salomon Melgen, VOXXI Chman (now under investigation); Rep Nancy Pelosi (D-CAL) ; Francisco J. Sanchez, US Under Secy of Commerce for Intl Trade, Emilio Sanchez, Pres/CEO of VOXXI at the Ntl Assoc of Latino Elected and Appt Officials Gala in DC. (Photo/ Voxxi---Melgen's ethnic solidarity web site)

NANCY: "These are the senors who are gonna make me Speaker again...and make Bohener look like a jerk."

20 posted on 07/19/2013 2:22:59 PM PDT by Liz
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To: mandaladon
How many birth certificates are you allowed to forge, before it's a crime?


21 posted on 07/19/2013 2:24:51 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: All
Just before the reform procedural vote, Judiciary Committee member Sen Grassley offered a simple amendment to the Judiciary Committee considering voting the immigration bill out of commmittee.

"The secretary (of homeland security) may not grant registered provisional immigrant status to an alien under this section unless the alien fully discloses to the secretary all the names and Social Security account numbers that the alien has ever used to obtain employment in the United States," said Grassley's amendment.

Grassley's amendment would not have prohibited illegal aliens from being converted into legal aliens just because they had used names and Social Security numbers that did not belong to them. It would only have required that the illegal aliens make the names and numbers they used known to DHS before they could be granted the right to legally live in the United States.

Grassley said, "Congress should not thumb its nose at the millions of Americans who are victims of identity theft, often perpetrated by an undocumented person who steals Social Security numbers to get jobs, govt benefits, driver's licenses and more. This amendment will simply require the person applying for RPI status to disclose any previously used Social Security numbers," said Grassley. "It's the first step to helping clean up the mess that's been created for the victim of identity theft. The amendment also authorizes certain federal agencies, upon receipt of this information, to notify individuals who were the victims."

===============================================

ON RECORD AS AIDING AND AETTING FELONIES Ranking member Sen Schumer dismissed Grassley's proposal. "When people are living in undocumented status, there are times, I suppose, when they've made up identities, made up Social Security numbers," Schumer told his Judiciary Committee colleagues. "How are they going to remember all that, and are we going to delay RPI status? "(The) purpose of this bill is to bring people out of the shadows. We all know when they lived in the shadows, they had to forge documents, forge Social Security numbers, et cetera. I just don't see how, when you've lived here 10 years, and you've had many different identities, many different numbers, you're going to remember them all," said Schumer.

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The Senate Judiciary committee defeated Grassley's amendment 8 to 10 on a party-line vote.

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ACTION ALERT Freepers should mobolize locally--get grand juries to begin indicting these Senators for FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES. A few convictions and imprisonment oughta wake up the treasonous Congress. KEEP IN MIND---those elected to office are held to a higher standard of law than we peons....but have never been held to account.

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Majority members----Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing Room
226 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC:

Patrick Leahy, Dem-Vermont, Chairman
Dianne Feinstein, Dem-California
Chuck Schumer, Dem-New York, ranking member
Dick Durbin, Dem-Illinois
Sheldon Whitehouse, Dem-Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar, Dem-Minnesota
Al Franken, Dem- Minnesota
Chris Coons,Dem- Delaware
Richard Blumenthal, Dem- Connecticut
Mazie Hirono, Dem-Hawaii

Source: 2013 Congressional Record, Vol. 159, Page S296 to 297

22 posted on 07/19/2013 2:25:02 PM PDT by Liz
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To: mandaladon

This is wonderful ammo for a primary opponent of this miserable RINO. I can see the ads now.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 2:25:09 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: mandaladon

24 posted on 07/19/2013 2:26:49 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: mandaladon

It still holds true. When you lie with the dogs you pick up fleas.
Once a school teacher....


25 posted on 07/19/2013 2:29:13 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: mandaladon

Obama must only have 2 illegal passports. This whole mess is only to clean up the mess of forged/illegal documents in his wake.


26 posted on 07/19/2013 2:29:23 PM PDT by JParris
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To: mandaladon

Why have these mega, omnibus bills anyway? The public’s top concerns are the economy and jobs. Immigration is near the bottom.

If they must do something pass it item by item. First secure the borders, then you can discuss the rest.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 2:30:09 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: All
At one time, the US State Dept refused to accept passports from Hudson County, NJ----b/c of the massive fraud facilitated by the latino county clerk. This same county clerk was later given a top job in the office of Gov Corzine.

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”The Senate’s immigration bill will raise national security risks and the Obama administration will do little more than “rubber-stamp” illegal immigrants into the program, endangering Americans," says the labor union representing the 12,000 ICE employees who will have to approve the applications.

The practice of latinos "just here for a better life" using multiple identities allows ample opportunity to undermine US ntl security. These "impoverished" latinos buy faked/forged papers for thousands of dollars-----the Washinton state rapist had some 30 identities. Another latino bilked UI of $3.4 million using multiple identities.

=========================================================

NJ BERGEN RECORD CIRCA 2004---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity (many latinos establish multiple identities in order to ride the US gravy train).

The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said NJ state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

=================================================

MEET THE NEW AMERICAN CITIZENS (educated, housed, clothed, fed, transported, medicated, drugged-up, armed and ready--w/ your tax dollars)

28 posted on 07/19/2013 2:32:56 PM PDT by Liz
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To: mandaladon

“Under the Senate immigration bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?”

“How many…you can’t forge any passports,” Rubio replied. ”That’s a federal crime now.”

And it’s a federal crime to hold several SS numbers, but no worries, the bill will also take care of that.

And since they have to cover the obama trail of illegal activities, it’ll all be retroactive.


29 posted on 07/19/2013 2:44:04 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: mandaladon

Oh come on! Isn’t everyone entitled to a Mulligan on their first forged passport? What are you, just a bunch or racists or something?


30 posted on 07/19/2013 2:46:15 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: mandaladon
Schumer and his staffers wrote the Bill.

Rubio sold Schumer’s product.

Think car sales. Schumer is the manufacturer.

Rubio is the car salesman.

Traitor.

31 posted on 07/19/2013 2:48:01 PM PDT by Oak Grove (H)
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To: mandaladon

La Raza wrote Rubio’s damn bill.


32 posted on 07/19/2013 2:49:36 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MayflowerMadam

Such is the life in the gang of eight.


33 posted on 07/19/2013 2:51:19 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: mandaladon

Have to pass it to see what’s in it, worked before, why not this trip?

You can poke a fork in Senor Rubio, he’s done. Chuck-U and McLame are laughing their asses off.


34 posted on 07/19/2013 2:55:24 PM PDT by X-spurt (I'm copywriting creepy ass cracker, send royalties to BR549)
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To: mandaladon

Ignorance is no defense, assclown


35 posted on 07/19/2013 3:09:17 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Do we really want someone that stupid as a candidate for President?? Guess not.

A year ago, I would have roasted that statement. Now, I agree wholeheartedly. Lightweight. Not ready for prime-time.

36 posted on 07/19/2013 3:41:41 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The imposition of a duty on the importation of a commodity burdens the consumers. --Ludwig Von Mises)
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To: Puppage
Do those who sign and pass those bills EVER read them?

As a County Commissioner, I am responsible for knowing what the resolutions states BEFORE I sign and vote to pass it.

Are those in the Senate and Congress all inept? Good grief!

37 posted on 07/19/2013 3:43:03 PM PDT by Progov (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: Puppage
Do those who sign and pass those bills EVER read them?

As a County Commissioner, I am responsible for knowing what the resolutions states BEFORE I sign and vote to pass it.

Are those in the Senate and Congress all inept? Good grief!

38 posted on 07/19/2013 3:43:49 PM PDT by Progov (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: mandaladon
Liar!
39 posted on 07/19/2013 3:44:25 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: jagusafr

he’s real reaction was “ONLY 3?? we need to change that so more of them can come here and vote for me for el president.”

He can hear them now ‘viva rubio, viva rubio, rubio el prediente!!!’

He want to be mccain jr


40 posted on 07/19/2013 3:44:31 PM PDT by Chainsawj (names are spelt wrong and not capitalized to show my lack of respect for whoever it is)
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To: mandaladon








41 posted on 07/19/2013 3:53:11 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: mandaladon

The bill does not make it legal to forge up to two passports. Forging a passport is currently a crime, and will remain a crime even if this bill is passed. What the bill does is create a separate crime of “trafficking” in forged passports, which kicks in at three.


42 posted on 07/19/2013 4:15:16 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: mandaladon

Rubio just stepped into a big pile of shit and it is sticking to his shoes.

Hey kid, you read the damned bill while you are writing it, when it is finished, and before it gets out of committee.

Elementary error which may cost you any future conservative support.

Don’t be like McCain, McConnell, Bonehead or Goober. Stupid is no way to go through life.


43 posted on 07/19/2013 4:19:14 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Menehune56

To #23:

Calling Alan West. Calling Alan West. Senate seat opening coming up. Lock and Load. It’s RINO hunting time.


44 posted on 07/19/2013 4:22:29 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

It’s CNS that needs to read the bill, not Rubio. Rubio said, “you can’t forge any passports. That’s a federal crime now.” That is 100% correct. Federal law (18 U.S.C. 1543) already prohibits forging ANY passports, and this bill wouldn’t change that. What this bill would do is create a NEW offense of “trafficking” passports, which applies to people who forge 3+. The new offense would go after the “dealers,” so to speak.

This immigration bill is bad enough on its own terms. There’s no need to make up additional stuff.


45 posted on 07/19/2013 4:28:25 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: mandaladon

You know, if he had a scintilla of integrity, he’d come clean. As this bill is picked apart, there will be more discoveries of things that LaRaza, et al, want so they can do what they want.

If he came clean and said what a disaster this thing is and quietly resigned, things would work themselves out. For a little while at least. But living in DC, getting driven around by some staffer and wined/dined by some lobbyist, is way more important than that.


46 posted on 07/19/2013 4:28:57 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; Mad Max; TheGrimReaper
”The Senate’s immigration bill will raise national security risks and the Obama administration will do little more than “rubber-stamp” illegal immigrants into the program, endangering Americans," says the labor union representing the 12,000 ICE employees who will have to approve the applications.

The practice of latinos "just here for a better life" using multiple identities allows ample opportunity to undermine US ntl security. These "impoverished" latinos buy faked/forged papers for thousands of dollars-----the Washinton state rapist had some 30 identities. Another latino bilked UI of $3.4 million using multiple identities.

=========================================================

NJ BERGEN RECORD CIRCA 2004---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity (latinos establish multiple identities in order to ride the US gravy train).

The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said NJ state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

47 posted on 07/19/2013 5:01:10 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; Mad Max; TheGrimReaper
Just before the reform procedural vote, Judiciary Committee member Sen Grassley offered a simple amendment to the Judiciary Committee considering voting the immigration bill out of commmittee.

"The secretary (of homeland security) may not grant registered provisional immigrant status to an alien under this section unless the alien fully discloses to the secretary all the names and Social Security account numbers that the alien has ever used to obtain employment in the United States," said Grassley's amendment.

Grassley's amendment would not have prohibited illegal aliens from being converted into legal aliens just because they had used names and Social Security numbers that did not belong to them. It would only have required that the illegal aliens make the names and numbers they used known to DHS before they could be granted the right to legally live in the United States.

Grassley said, "Congress should not thumb its nose at the millions of Americans who are victims of identity theft, often perpetrated by an undocumented person who steals Social Security numbers to get jobs, govt benefits, driver's licenses and more. This amendment will simply require the person applying for RPI status to disclose any previously used Social Security numbers," said Grassley. "It's the first step to helping clean up the mess that's been created for the victim of identity theft. The amendment also authorizes certain federal agencies, upon receipt of this information, to notify individuals who were the victims."

===============================================

ON RECORD AS AIDING AND AETTING FELONIES Ranking member Sen Schumer dismissed Grassley's proposal. "When people are living in undocumented status, there are times, I suppose, when they've made up identities, made up Social Security numbers," Schumer told his Judiciary Committee colleagues. "How are they going to remember all that, and are we going to delay RPI status? "(The) purpose of this bill is to bring people out of the shadows. We all know when they lived in the shadows, they had to forge documents, forge Social Security numbers, et cetera. I just don't see how, when you've lived here 10 years, and you've had many different identities, many different numbers, you're going to remember them all," said Schumer.

==========================================

The Senate Judiciary committee defeated Grassley's amendment 8 to 10 on a party-line vote.

48 posted on 07/19/2013 5:04:11 PM PDT by Liz
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To: jagusafr

It would pass, the president would sign it, everybody would get amnesty, and he’d still be saying “there are problems and we need to fix parts of the bill”.

Apparently, he hasn’t figured out that if you want a bill that doesn’t have stupid things, you vote NO on the bill that HAS the stupid things.


49 posted on 07/19/2013 5:28:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Forging even ONE passport is a federal felony. McCain didn’t know that.

Rubio didn’t know that this new item was put into the bill, thus negating the previous law.

That is why Rubio screwed up.


50 posted on 07/19/2013 5:40:55 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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