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We need to grow in understanding of Muslims, English bishop says
Catholic Herald ^ | Friday, 19 July 2013 | Staff Reporter

Posted on 07/19/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by haffast

Bishop Kieran Conry of Arundel and Brighton has written a pastoral letter urging Catholics in his diocese to reach out to Muslims.

In the letter he quoted from the Second Vatican Council’s declaration on non-Christian religions, Nostra Aetate, which said: “The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions.”

Bishop Conry wrote: “These words and sentiments are very important for our time, when latent suspicions and hostility can easily be brought to the surface again by tragic events like the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich.”

He continued: “I am writing this on the first day of the Muslim holy season of Ramadan. I ask that you accept this urge to dialogue, so that at least we might understand one another more.

“Very often our image of Islam is simply the one presented by the media, and how often do we complain that the media view distorts the reality of the Catholic Church? We must not in our minds associate the word ‘Muslim’ with any of the negative and pejorative terms often linked to it in the media.”

He said that inter-religious dialogue was “not just a dialogue of charity”, but also a “dialogue of hope.”

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Nostra Aetate

"Part three goes on to say that the Catholic Church regards the Muslims with esteem, and then continues by describing some of the things Islam has in common with Christianity and Catholicism: worship of One God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, Merciful and Omnipotent, Who has spoken to men; the Muslims' respect for Abraham and Mary, and the great respect they have for Jesus, whom they consider to be a Prophet and not God. The synod urged all Catholics and Muslims to forget the hostilities and differences of the past and to work together for mutual understanding and benefit."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostra_Aetate

1 posted on 07/19/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by haffast
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To: haffast

I understood everything I needed to understand on 9/11.


2 posted on 07/19/2013 4:35:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I understood everything I needed to understand on 9/11.

That is true, but I am sure most of us were well aware of it, long before 9/11.

3 posted on 07/19/2013 4:39:38 PM PDT by Mark17 (This creepy a$$ cracker is leaving for the Philippines)
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To: All

Show me just what Muhammad brought
that was new and there you will find things
only evil and inhuman, such as his
command to spread by the sword the faith
he preached.- Manuel II Palaiologos


4 posted on 07/19/2013 4:41:34 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (In the future everyone will be Emmanuel Goldstein, for fifteen minutes.)
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To: haffast
I think I understand pretty well,Your Excellency.
5 posted on 07/19/2013 4:41:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: haffast

“The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions.”

Coded language, I hope.

Because there is NOTHING either true nor holy about this 7th-century insane death cult.

Nothing.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 4:43:06 PM PDT by MarineDad (Wherever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits greatly!)
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To: haffast

Judgement BEGINS at the pulpit, Bishop.

You are deceiving your flock.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 4:43:09 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey

A stupid lamb to the slaughter


8 posted on 07/19/2013 4:43:53 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: haffast

The British bishops have been a problem for a long time. JPII appointed nothing but squishes and gays; BXVI didn’t have a lot of time to correct it (not to mention the wrong O’Brien being appointed in Scotland - although he is the one who has since resigned) and the unfortunate thing is that unless they bring in some foreign bishops (I suggest Indian bishops) I don’t think the poor Brits even have a very good waiting list.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 4:44:27 PM PDT by livius
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To: haffast

I’ve read enough of the Koran to understand them and to know that the so-called “moderates” are backsliders. You don’t need to know every shark to know that they are all killers.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 4:44:50 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: haffast

Everything I ever wanted to know about the Muslim religion I learned on September 11, 2001.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 4:45:00 PM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: haffast

>>and the great respect they have for Jesus, whom they consider to be a Prophet and not God.

Then, we do not worship the same God because God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Islam came after Christ in a region where Christianity was flourishing at the time, so they can’t even claim ignorance. Mohammed thought he saw a demon in the cave. He was right. To believe even a fragment of Islam is to deny Christ.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 4:47:26 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: haffast

he best turtle up instead of stretching his neck out for the koranimals like that being an infidel and bishop


13 posted on 07/19/2013 4:50:37 PM PDT by bigheadfred (IBTZ)
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To: haffast

I understand muslims just fine. The most important thing to know is that they’re all as peaceful as they say they are once you vent their craniums with a .308


14 posted on 07/19/2013 4:51:38 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: haffast

The English bishop obviously doesn’t understand.


15 posted on 07/19/2013 4:52:22 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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To: dfwgator
I understood everything I needed to understand on 9/11
Actually the Munich massacre in 1972 gave me a good understanding of islime.
16 posted on 07/19/2013 4:54:39 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: haffast

What is not to understand about The Sword Of Islam.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 4:55:13 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: haffast

The god of the Moslems is not the God of Abraham, and to equate them is to violate the first commandment.


18 posted on 07/19/2013 4:56:34 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: haffast

What a moron. Reach out to Muslims and pull back a bloody stump.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 4:57:12 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Bryanw92

Mohammed thought he saw a demon in the cave.

He did, it was a mirror.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 4:58:24 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dfwgator

All anybody needs to understand about Islam is that there is one superior form of humanity, the Noble Islamic Gentleman. All the rest of humanity, including the entire female gender, falls into the class of “dhimmi”, a subordinate of every wish of the Nobile Islamic Gentlemen, and the “kufir” or the infidels who defy any attempt to recognize Allah as the supreme power in the Universe, and Mohammed Ali as the Prophet (p*ss be on his name).

The “dhimmi” are allowed to exist, and even to practice whatever kind of religious piety they choose, so long as they pay the tax levied upon them, and do nothing that interferes in any way with the full enjoyment of the fruits of Koranic observance by the Noble Islamic Gentleman. This involves springing with alacrity to fulfill the wishes of the master, or even anticipate them. Failure to do so immediately demotes the person of the “dhimmi” class to the “kufir” class, and makes him (or her) subject to a sentence of death, unless, of course, an instantaneous recantation of the sin committed is forthcoming.

The “kufir” are regarded as some form of lower animal, pigs and monkeys, if you will, and are subject to death upon capture. Their presence is considered to be unclean, and the only way to wash away the filth is with their blood spilled upon the ground. Decapitation is the preferred method of dispatching the “kufir”, but in a pinch, a bullet to the base of the skull works just as well.

Yeah, I believe I understand Islam.

Invade their countries, kill all their leaders, and convert the rest to ANY religion that is not Islam.

Just retracing the steps that were taken to introduce Islam to all the places to which it has spread.


21 posted on 07/19/2013 4:58:59 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: tet68

>>He did, it was a mirror.

I disagree. I think it was a real demon. If Satan wanted to create a church, it would be a twisted opposite of Christ’s church. Islam is exactly that. Mohammed wasn’t smart enough to invent something so profane on his own.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 5:00:13 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: dfwgator

Second!


23 posted on 07/19/2013 5:00:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: haffast
This guy understood Muslims pretty good back in his day.


24 posted on 07/19/2013 5:01:27 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: haffast

Hey Bish,
I think you’d do better to get the muzzies to start
accomodating us, they don’t seem to do that very well.
Oh, and I think we should nuke Mecca from orbit, during
the haji. It will make a more lasting impression that
way.


25 posted on 07/19/2013 5:01:34 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: haffast
Bishop Kieran Conry of Arundel and Brighton has written a pastoral letter urging Catholics in his diocese to reach out to Muslims.

When you hear a bishop saying something foolish, these days you can be sure he's an old fool. The young priests are so much better. From what I've read, Conry appears to be a pretend-nice jackass who snipes about anything or anyone with a traditional or conservative point of view—including his brother bishops. He can't stand up to the mudslimes or the poofs or the NewChurch granola-heads.

In a conversation about Conry, someone brought up that quote from St. Athanasius: "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of unfaithful bishops."

26 posted on 07/19/2013 5:03:52 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: haffast

Stuff it, Bishop.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 5:05:04 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: haffast
We need to grow in understanding of Muslims

NO....WE....DO.....NOT.....

28 posted on 07/19/2013 5:05:09 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: haffast

The bishop wants us to despise them even more?! Bob


29 posted on 07/19/2013 5:05:11 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("The atmosphere's too cold in here to attract a butterfly like that." Al Stewart)
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To: alloysteel

Correct.

I would add that in our time there have been efforts by 0bama and others to praise the accomplishments of Islam and Muslims over the centuries.

Algebra and architecture to name the only ones I can think of.

What is not told or understood by many is that those achievements were likely the the work of their slaves or the dhimmi’s they ruled.

I read something on this quite some time ago and can’t recall the source.


30 posted on 07/19/2013 5:07:58 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Old Yeller

Go back and review history. The ‘dark ages’ from the 5th - 15th century tells all one needs to know about Muslims. They are not nice people, period. If one thinks otherwise that is one huge mistake.


31 posted on 07/19/2013 5:10:22 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: haffast

Bishop Kieran Conry of Arundel and Brighton has written a pastoral letter urging Catholics in his diocese to reach out to Muslims.
_______________________________________________

The English Catholics of the Crusades are rolling over in their graves...


32 posted on 07/19/2013 5:13:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: haffast
I'll reach out with a S&W 357. How's that for "reach out"?

FMCDH(BITS)

33 posted on 07/19/2013 5:14:00 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: haffast

Colonel Allen West Answers a Marine’s Question.

The question of Muslim terror was never so succinctly answered as here by Allen West.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k


34 posted on 07/19/2013 5:14:15 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: haffast
Indeed, if they really knew Muslims, they would not spout such pap.


35 posted on 07/19/2013 5:14:18 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: haffast

Through 1400 years of history, folks who speak like this wind up converting to islam a few years later. Really. It’s the Quisling path.


36 posted on 07/19/2013 5:17:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dfwgator

does this nice, naive seeker-of-knowledge have a good, strong body-guard, hopefully? (prayerfully)


37 posted on 07/19/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: haffast

They rape and imprison women for having breasts and for being female...that’s all I need to know. Muslims live in the 1st Century and have yet to crawl out. <——That probably gives them too much credit.


38 posted on 07/19/2013 5:24:47 PM PDT by madison10
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To: haffast

Exactly right.

Understand that they’re Satan incarnate, an understanding that’s still sadly lacking.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 5:26:35 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: haffast

What a dhimmi.


40 posted on 07/19/2013 5:29:27 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: Mortrey

Why should any non-Muslim want to promote this death cult?


41 posted on 07/19/2013 5:35:34 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: haffast

I once failed to understand Islam, and turned a blind eye towards it, believing people of all religions are still people, having the needs and compassion of most people, but I was so very wrong. My eyes have been opened to see Islam for what it is, and to understand Mohammed for what he was. There is nothing good in Islam, nothing of the religion that is redeemable. Muslims who don’t repent and turn away from that abomination of a religion should be shunned by other humans everywhere.

How’s that for sharing my understanding?


42 posted on 07/19/2013 5:36:57 PM PDT by pallis
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To: haffast
I'd like to ask the Pope this question:

Is there any threshold of evil reached by islam that convinces him that it is the religion of satan?

43 posted on 07/19/2013 5:54:08 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Bryanw92

Would you say we don’t worship the same God as the Jews, either, since they do not acknowledge the Trinity?


44 posted on 07/19/2013 5:55:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Old Yeller

Wait, he is right.

They need to grow a understanding of what islam is, all 1400 years..... perhaps that way they can avert the upcoming disaster born in thinking Islam is a religion.
Its a mercenaries political system.
Better yet , a better understanding of Jihad and their holy wars.

Lesson one:

“Jihad ~ there was and is nothing holy about these wars: which are primarily to plunder. slaughter, rape, subjugate and rob other other human beings of their wealth , produce freedom and dignity. Mohammedan muslims states and tribes attacked other non muslim groups to achieve these objectives.”


45 posted on 07/19/2013 6:00:41 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: haffast

NO, NO, NO!!! Why do we never say “Muslims need to grow in understanding of us?” They are they ones who keep invading our countries, our space. Why do we need to understand them?

The Catholic Church should NOT regard them with esteem - Islam truly has NOTHING in common with Christianity. Catholics need to back off as far as they can from Islam - they who worship a false God and have nothing in common with Catholics.

Before I quit, I have a problem with the overall idea of “interfaith” which seems to be a fad today. If you belong to any faith, it’s because you believe it, otherwise you wouldn’t be there. So how can you have “dialogue” with others diametrically opposed to what you believe, just for the sake of looking cool for the world?


46 posted on 07/19/2013 6:12:10 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: haffast

Oh, we understand mudslimes just fine.


47 posted on 07/19/2013 6:51:04 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob revealed himself to the Jews, long after He made Moses aware of His divine nature & awesome power.

In the fullness of time, God made the Triune nature of Himself known to those who accepted His Son as the Savior of mankind.

No one among the Jews will contend that Jews and Christians do not worship the same God of all Creation. But it is the Jews who are strongest in asserting that Mohammedans worship something other than the God of our fathers.

For both Jews and Christians, God is a God of love who hears those who worship Him.


48 posted on 07/19/2013 7:06:43 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: haffast

My understanding is that we had several excellent snipers that “use to reach out to Muslims”. Thank them for their service!


49 posted on 07/19/2013 7:15:50 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The short list would be the list of all administration officials that are NOT pathological liars!)
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To: haffast
In the letter he quoted from the Second Vatican Council’s declaration on non-Christian religions, Nostra Aetate, which said: “The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions.”

That's fine. When the Catholics converted pagans, and various native peoples, they let them keep some elements of their beliefs that were true and didn't conflict with the Gospel. If that is what they mean, then I see no harm in that, but you must also do the converse and insist that they reject the parts of their religion which are untrue and unholy.

“Very often our image of Islam is simply the one presented by the media, and how often do we complain that the media view distorts the reality of the Catholic Church? We must not in our minds associate the word ‘Muslim’ with any of the negative and pejorative terms often linked to it in the media.”

I think that is going a bit too far. We should certainly associate Islam with some negative terms, since we should be bold and honest enough to say it is a false religion, and its followers are lost. We should also recognize some of their doctrines as barbaric, or their methods as fanatical. We can't pretend, for the sake of dialogue, that there is nothing wrong with Islam or muslims. We should be looking to bring them to Christ, and you can't be brought to Christ if you are not convicted of your sins first.

50 posted on 07/19/2013 7:53:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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