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Dick Cheney: Rand Paul is wrong on government surveillance
Washington Post ^ | June 16 2013 | Sean Sullivan

Posted on 07/19/2013 11:10:19 PM PDT by WilliamIII

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141 posted on 07/20/2013 7:31:26 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Earthdweller

Excellent post.

142 posted on 07/20/2013 7:36:07 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: noinfringers2

“I myself am a vet of WWII and lost my only brother in the battle of Okinawa”

God Bless You Sir - and thank you for your service

143 posted on 07/20/2013 8:25:44 PM PDT by SpitfyrAce
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To: what's up

Yep, Really.

Really, really, really.

Enjoy whatever time and freedom you have left.

144 posted on 07/20/2013 10:16:32 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: WilliamIII
 “When you consider the possibility of somebody smuggling something like a nuclear device into the United Statees, teenage male prostitutes into the White House, it becomes very, very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched.”

"Ohhhhho say can you seee...."
Eyes Wide Shut
"8-1984 - Lawrence King [Homosexual and alleged Pedophile] throws a lavish party in Dallas, Texas, after singing the National Anthem at the Republican National GOP Convention."

145 posted on 07/20/2013 10:40:17 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: meadsjn

If Cheney (who I once admired) was so concerned with keeping us safe why did he not secure our freakin’ border?

146 posted on 07/20/2013 11:18:56 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: Irenic
Listening to Jeb Bush about fertility and all that, I had to wonder--do these people look at the rest of us like a bunch of cattle. Sure, they need to breed in some better stock in order to better serve them and their elitists buddies. It's their country you know and we're just the cattle. grrr../

Not far from the truth unfortunately. Recall that famous line from the movie "The Good Shepard", paraphrasing - "We are the rightful owners and citizens of this country, the rest of you are guests".
147 posted on 07/21/2013 7:01:55 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Ken H
So whose position most closely matches your own - Paul or Cheney?

At this point in the fight? I'm with Paul. Obama has destroyed our status as a super-power. We're long past the big military to put out the fires of the world. Sad but true. Obama has created the situation in this nation where Ron Paul would actually make sense in 2016. That's also sad but true.

148 posted on 07/21/2013 11:03:32 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: meadsjn

How exactly do you outlaw a religion? I take it you’re not what we would call a strict constitutionalist.

149 posted on 07/21/2013 12:06:50 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: doc1019

Don’t take it too personally. Free Republic is loaded with armchair ideologues who will instantly paint you as “unclean” if you don’t agree lock step with every position they hold. They are petty and insecure. Ignore them.

150 posted on 07/21/2013 12:10:27 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Leaning Right
I don't know if I'd go that far. As far as I can see, Cheney is just another typical DC politician

I never could understand why some conservatives continue to defend and admire Bush and Cheney. We got TARP and the Patriot Act under their watch (the former isn't so suprising, since Cheney came right out and said that "deficits don't matter").

All I can think of is that it's a knee-jerk reaction: liberals hate Bush and Cheney (not sure why, Bush governed like a Scoop Jackson Democrat), therefore Bush and Cheney must be good. More or less the same reason why many on the right defended Nixon, who was basically a fiscal liberal and an across the board advocate of big government.

151 posted on 07/21/2013 12:23:27 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: dagogo redux
You really really want martial law.
152 posted on 07/21/2013 1:24:52 PM PDT by what's up
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To: JCBontheloose
....Many libs and a few brave conservatives spoke out against the security state back in 2001-2008 only to be shouted down as "terror supporters" and "traitors." Now that a Dem is in the WH (inheriting the same powers handed to the POTUS by Bush/Cheney) suddenly the GOP base sees the error of its ways while the outraged libs have gone strangely silent. ....

There is not one full blown lib that has anything to crow about doing/saying during my lifetime regarding US security. I have not forgotten the years of Clintonism and how security conscience they were not during their reign of terror.

Conservatives are all about individual responsibility, whereas some republicans form gangs.

153 posted on 07/21/2013 1:29:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: doc1019

You know. I would have agreed with you at one point. The past 10 years have moved me from “go with Cheney” to “go with Paul” at this point. Anything that government creates will be used for the wrong purposes, period.

154 posted on 07/21/2013 2:28:24 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: what's up

No, I want them to try martial law sooner rather than later, because they’re going to do it eventually anyway.

The alternative is to let them continue to acquire power - which they’re very good at, and are going full-steam-ahead with as we type - with no one in power trying or effective enough to stop them, such that when they try it later, on their time table, employing their scenario, we will already have been adequately readied for the slaughter, incarceration or slavery.

You’re telling me you don’t see this freight train coming at you by now??

Another viewpoint: Suppose there’s a nuke set off in the US. Who can we trust - the government or the media - to tell us the truth about who the perps were? The Feds have already systematically facilitated enormous governmental infiltration and influence by the Communists, the Saudis, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Cartels. No matter who they say exploded the nuke, no matter which one of these groups they blame and say they have evidence confirming, we would be foolish to believe it. We will know, by now, that they are all in bed with each other. Except for some propaganda for the sheeple, we would have no assurance that our enemies are indeed now our enemies, and will be vanquished in retaliation. A nuke would confirm to me, res ipsa loquitur, that the Feds were behind it - no matter who pulled the trigger - and that the attack was merely a crisis to impose martial law. And your mind wouldn’t go there, and you’d be wrong.

“with . . . the last furnished room emptied down to the last piece of mental furniture, a yellow paper rose twisted on a wire hanger in the closet, and even that imaginary, nothing but a hopeful little bit of hallucination -—

“Ah Carl, while you are not safe I am not safe, and now you’re really in the animal soup of time -— “

155 posted on 07/21/2013 4:05:15 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: bigdaddy45

One of the things I have discovered reading all the comments regarding my response on supporting Cheney ... if I don’t agree with those that support Rand Paul, I’m a liberal. LOL! Got the same response when I refused to support Romney in the last election.

Lessons learned over the years: If I disagree with a black person, I’m a racists, if I disagree with someone on FR, I’m a liberal. Some days no matter what you think, say or do, you can’t win. However, I will continue to speak my mind and, by the way, I’m neither a racists nor a liberal.

And believe me, I have been here long enough not to put too much stock in what those who disagree with me think. Half the fun is reading what folks have to say when I make a comment that goes against the consensus of a thread.

156 posted on 07/21/2013 4:25:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (Get our troops the hell out of the ME)
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To: WilliamIII

These laws that threaten our Constitutional rights; that are based upon 9-11 and terrorism and the need for the forever war on terror and citizen surveillance; such as the Patriot Act and all of its subsequent amendments; should automatically sunset/expire and become null and void within 2 years, unless they are re-upped for 2 more years by 60% of Congress.

They need to die unless overwhelmingly approved politically be a Congress that needs to face reelection.

157 posted on 07/21/2013 4:55:29 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: dagogo redux

What should worry us the most is a major false flag attack that the MSM will purposely hype and propagandize (they have lots of practice), and our leaders (D/R) will use to claim (just as did Hitler with the Reichstag fire) that Patriot Act 4 and martial law must be imposed, and we must relinquish our freedoms, rights and firearms, but just to keep us safe and to keep order.

158 posted on 07/21/2013 5:06:27 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: WilliamIII
As much as I like "Darth Vader", he's completely wrong here. Obama's massive spying program isn't about stopping the next 9/11. Were that the case, the NSA would be spying on communications with some FOREIGN nexus. My daughter's text messages to her friends do not have such a foreign connection. Nor do my wife's web searches. So why is Obama watching them?

There are 7,000,000,000 people on this planet and our government has reason to spy on 6,700,000,000 of them. Why then is Obama spying on the 300,000,000 of us and not them?

159 posted on 07/21/2013 5:12:51 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: doc1019

Between freedom from Govt surveillance and Dick Cheney, I choose freedom.

160 posted on 07/21/2013 6:20:38 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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