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US Marine Harrier jets forced to drop unarmed bombs on heritage-listed Great Barrier Reef
news.com.au ^ | 20th July 2013 | Kieran Campbell

Posted on 07/20/2013 5:25:04 AM PDT by naturalman1975

TWO US Marine Corps jets have been forced to drop four unarmed bombs on the Great Barrier Reef.

The two AV-8B Harrier jets each dropped two 226kg bombs on the world heritage-listed reef in an emergency jettison during a training mission on Tuesday.

The incident came ahead of Exercise Talisman Saber, a biennial training operation between Australian and US forces based at Shoalwater Bay on the central Queensland coast.

The dropped bombs had not detonated and a US official has reportedly said the chance of any of them exploding is "extremely remote".

A Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority spokeswoman told News Corp Australia she had not heard about the incident, but would look into it.

The extent of any environmental damage was not clear.

US Navy Commander William Marks, of the 7th Fleet Public Affairs, said the jets had planned to drop the bombs on a range on Townshend Island, but that was foiled when the range was not clear.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 31stmeu; av8b; harriers; lhd6; marineaviation; usmc; ussbonhommerichard; vmm265r
Oi! Stop bombing us! We're friendly.
1 posted on 07/20/2013 5:25:04 AM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

I just read your homepage on FR. Thank you for remembering the fallen heroes.


2 posted on 07/20/2013 5:28:58 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: naturalman1975

Woops looks like a dive team will be headed in the direction


3 posted on 07/20/2013 5:29:51 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: t1b8zs

Iranian dive teams?


4 posted on 07/20/2013 5:33:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

More likely, locals - lots of fun things can be made from the components.

Outback fun & games!


5 posted on 07/20/2013 5:38:24 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: jsanders2001

?


6 posted on 07/20/2013 5:42:07 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: naturalman1975
Any square kilometer of reef area is mostly sandy bottom which means depending on the depth, the bombs are laying exposed on the sandy bottom or burrowed beneath the sand.

If exposed on the bottom, they can be removed but if they burrowed in to the sand, or bored into the reef, just leave them be.

7 posted on 07/20/2013 5:51:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Funny they didn’t seem to worry about where the billions of tons of bombs the Germans and Japanese may have dropped in WWII.


8 posted on 07/20/2013 6:32:23 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: naturalman1975

In Florida, we sink old ships to become new reefs.


9 posted on 07/20/2013 6:35:15 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: naturalman1975

Nuke the gay whales!


10 posted on 07/20/2013 7:05:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: naturalman1975

So a couple of 3 foot long hunks of iron (which didn’t explode) were dropped on a reef.

Somehow, I think it will survive...


11 posted on 07/20/2013 7:11:00 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: naturalman1975

The comments section of the version of the story at NBC News has person after person crying because of the “damage” to the Reef, and wishing that we’d just the the Harriers crash instead.


12 posted on 07/20/2013 7:18:04 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GladesGuru

Sounds like a future “Hold muh beer” moment to me.


13 posted on 07/20/2013 7:30:20 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Kip Russell

Is this the Reef that is so large that one can see it from space?


14 posted on 07/20/2013 7:32:16 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Especially when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


15 posted on 07/20/2013 7:34:27 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: EEGator

The Darwin Awards committee is awaiting news ........


16 posted on 07/20/2013 7:38:27 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: GladesGuru

All good things come to those who wait.


17 posted on 07/20/2013 7:41:08 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: naturalman1975
After several attempts, the jets were running low on fuel and could not land with the bombs they were carrying.

Stupid is as stupid does. Did no one think the clear the range before hand? Why make so many attempts that you're in danger of running out of fuel? So, next week when they get into the same situation, they'll drop something on someone's house? One less attempt and they could have landed safely and saved the bombs for next time. How many tax dollars are now laying on the bottom of the ocean and how many more will be spent on recovery and making nice to the park? I thought the military was complaining about budget cuts? Either it's truly incompetence or something else was planned.

18 posted on 07/20/2013 7:54:23 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Kip Russell

IF they had detonated, there would be four 30 to 50 foot craters which would have destroyed most of the fragile, UN Designated World Heritage site! What a tragedy for Mankind!

After all, it is such a small place.

/sarc

“The Great Barrier Reef is the world’s largest coral reef system composed of over 2,900 individual reefs and 900 islands stretching for over 2,600 kilometres over an area of approximately 344,400 square kilometers or 132,973 sq miles.”

Seriously, I don’t like getting bombed any more than the next guy, but accidents do happen. Anyone know the current Navy policy on returning to the carrier with ordnance? I assume that it is to dump all.


19 posted on 07/20/2013 12:13:17 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

if they cant land with why were they armed with it in the first place?

Are you saying the US dumps hundreds of thousands of expensive bombs and missiles in the ocean every year for no ggood reason?


20 posted on 07/20/2013 12:17:22 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: bgill

I was once a range safety office at Crow Valley in the Philippines. When the range was inactive, the local tribesmen would run out to collect the bomb fragments to sell as scrap. I had to ensure that none were hidden by the vegetation before clearing an aircraft “hot”. Sometimes, after a strafing run, the locals would try to collect the very valuable brass shell casings BETWEEN runs.

I developed a large portion of my gray hairs then. :-)

Seriously, there are a large number of unplanned for reasons which may cause a range to close. No matter how carefully you plan, something can go wrong. Remember, “Murphy was an optimist.”


21 posted on 07/20/2013 12:24:46 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: GeronL
if they cant land with why were they armed with it in the first place?

Many aircraft, from military bombers to airliners, cannot land at the same weight at which they took off. Landing gear limitations, etc. They were armed with it when they took off because they were training, practicing dropping bombs on targets, so that in war they can HIT their targets. That is why they were "armed with it in the first place."

If you don't train, you cannot fight & win. If you drop bombs without training, many more of those will miss the target, instead causing "collateral damage" by hitting civilians or friendlies.

Are you saying the US dumps hundreds of thousands of expensive bombs and missiles in the ocean every year for no good reason?

No, I did not and am not "saying the US dumps hundreds of thousands of expensive bombs and missiles in the ocean every year for no good reason?" I have not idea as to the actural number of bombs jettisoned, but would guess that the number is far, far less than "hundreds of thousands". As to your "no good reason" comment, they are dumped for safety. Avoiding the injury or death of a pilot in accident caused by landing too heavy seems like a "good reason", as does preventing the loss of an aircraft. A carrier landing accident caused by excess ordnance very quickly gets very, very expensive, in terms of lives lost. And equipment.

Check YouTube for "carrier landing accidents", then consider what the addition of two 500# bombs might have done to the situation.

BTW, if the range had been clear, those bombs would have been dropped on land, exploded and their cost expended anyway. Many times, the cost/benefit analysis says jettison them.

Oh, the Mk-82 500lb "expensive bomb"? Unit cost $268.50 (in 2000)

"Mk82 General Purpose Bomb"

Sometimes, you have to dump very expensive hardware in the sea.

"Ditched in the Ocean "

22 posted on 07/20/2013 1:44:43 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: bgill
Did no one think the(sic) clear the range before hand?

The range was clear then became fouled. Not an uncommon occurrence. You should wait to find out why the range officer made the decision he/she did unless of course you enjoy emoting.

One less attempt and they could have landed safely and saved the bombs for next time.

What's the bring back weight of an AV-8B when executing a vertical recovery on a LHD? How far were they from the boat? What was their fuel burn? Were they flying into a headwind? Was the weather bad at the time? What time of day was it? How experienced were the pilots? Did the boat tell them to make several passes? Did a problem develop while attempting to clear the range? et al.

Each aircraft dropped one BDU-45, which were inert and one GBU-12, which were unarmed.

23 posted on 07/20/2013 7:29:35 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: naturalman1975

i’ve been to SWBTA (Shoalwater Bay Training Area)...It’s f’ING huge! (20 miles from the Gate to range control, for example) why they didn’t just drop them out in the middle of this wilderness is beyond me...


24 posted on 07/20/2013 10:10:30 PM PDT by red devil 40
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To: red devil 40
Because the bombing range is on Townshend Island which is offshore. The Harriers were operating off a ship, also maybe well offshore. (although it is the US Navy)

They would have been oribiting above the sea waiting for that range to clearm until fuel state reached critical. If they had enough fuel to divert to the mainland, they could have extended waiting time,


25 posted on 07/21/2013 6:54:15 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: BwanaNdege; bgill; A.A. Cunningham

As a follow up for those who may be interested.

Civilian boats made an unauthorised entry to the drop zone. Their presence was detected just prior to the bomb run, so naturally the run was aborted. The ordnance was dropped into a known area that was safe and not particularly environmentally sensitive and from where it can be recovered if recovery is deemed necessary by divers from either the RAN or USN (logistically, it’s normally going to be easier for the RAN to do it as we can stage locally without having to alter fleet operations, but the USN have said they will do it if we want them to)


26 posted on 07/21/2013 7:31:55 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: BwanaNdege; bgill; A.A. Cunningham

It is also worth noting that even the environmental agency responsible for the Reef (the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority) says they don’t have a major problem with what happened in this case - it says it was an emergency situation and they understand the priority was to protect the lives of the air crew above all other considerations.


27 posted on 07/21/2013 7:34:45 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Wow!

Great getting an update from someone REALLY knowledgeable about the on-site situation!

Thanks.

(Free Republic continues to amaze!)


28 posted on 07/21/2013 8:29:28 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: naturalman1975

Many thanks for the update.


29 posted on 07/22/2013 9:34:26 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Oztrich Boy

tracking on that....


30 posted on 07/22/2013 8:30:10 PM PDT by red devil 40
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