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Palestinians say 67 borders basis for talks
Associated Press ^ | Jul 20, 2013 4:18 PM EDT | Ian Deitch

Posted on 07/20/2013 2:12:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas agreed to resume peace talks with Israel only after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry gave him a letter guaranteeing that the basis of the negotiations will be Israel’s pre-1967 borders, two senior Palestinian officials said Saturday.

The officials, both of whom are close to the Palestinian leader and privy to internal discussions, said the U.S. letter also stipulated that both sides are to refrain from taking any steps that would jeopardize the outcome of the talks. Israel is not to issue new tenders for Jewish settlements in the West Bank, while the Palestinians are not to pursue diplomatic action against Israel at any international organizations, the officials said on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to brief the media.

“The talks with Kerry were about to collapse, and the letter came as a lifeline in the last minute bargaining,” one of the Palestinian officials said. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1967borders; fail; israel; jihad; johnkerry; palestinians; rop; waronterror
This is treason by Kerry. The 1967 borders are not defensible.
1 posted on 07/20/2013 2:12:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

There is nothing as crazy as trying something over and over and expecting a different result.

This ploy has been tried before and found unacceptable, but old stupid Vietnam Gigolo Kerry will try it again.

What a freaking idiot.


2 posted on 07/20/2013 2:15:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

Shhhhh. Kerry is “playing” Secretary of State. Let him have his fun while the adults are still sleeping. It helps to build his self esteem.


3 posted on 07/20/2013 2:16:19 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Olog-hai
from the article:
U.S. letter also stipulated that both sides are to refrain from taking any steps that would jeopardize the outcome of the talks.

LOL ... skerry to the rescue to make certain the talks fail.

4 posted on 07/20/2013 2:17:48 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Olog-hai

And the Mexicans say that the borders between Arizona & Utah, New Mexico & Colorado, and Oklahoma & Kansas are the basis for negotiations with the USA!!!!


5 posted on 07/20/2013 2:18:18 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: Olog-hai

Mr. Kerry is from Austria.
They appear to have a built in antiSemitism.


6 posted on 07/20/2013 2:18:28 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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skerry would be more lifelike if he grew a long beard and refused to take a bath.
7 posted on 07/20/2013 2:20:13 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Olog-hai
The Arab states want 1) to take out the land of Israel from the Jews gradually or by force and 2) take out the Jews.

The Collectivists either don't understand that or don't care or both.

8 posted on 07/20/2013 2:20:58 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Olog-hai

i’m ok with taht as long as they are the december ‘67 borders.


9 posted on 07/20/2013 2:21:07 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Olog-hai

You can thank Obama for this. Another foreign policy triumph for the First Idiot.


10 posted on 07/20/2013 2:22:14 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Olog-hai

The Arabs declared war on Israel, lost bad, and now want Israel to restore them to a pre 1967 status.

LMAO, only in the mind of a total idiot does this make sense.

In saunters Kerry... “Peace is at hand.”

Peace at this price? LOL


11 posted on 07/20/2013 2:22:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Zimmerman breaks Martin's nose/pounds his head on concrete? Does Martin's backers support Zimmerman?)
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To: bravo whiskey

Heh, heh! December 1967 borders indeed, I agree!

When these idiots say “1967 borders” what that really means are the 1948 ceasefire lines, divided Jerusalem & everything. Never again, no how, no way Jose.

Kerry is such a worthless jerk.


12 posted on 07/20/2013 2:41:53 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Olog-hai

I think this is a great plan...in solidarity we should pull back to moving off all native american occupied lands..pull off manhatten because I am sure the bead value has increased an we ripped them off...we also should pull back from territory we won from Mexico in that war...
This plan sucks yet liberals keep pushing that border...Heck the borders that Israel has won in 1948 and 1967 anad 1973 are hardly defensible.
Don’t give up the Golan, Mr Bibi...
God takes over in the end an Kerry can go to hell
FREEGARDS
LEX


13 posted on 07/20/2013 2:42:06 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Olog-hai

“...while the Palestinians are not to pursue diplomatic action against Israel at any international organizations...”

How about insisting that Hama stop lobbing bombs into Israel?!


14 posted on 07/20/2013 2:45:29 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Venturer
This ploy has been tried before and found unacceptable, but old stupid Vietnam Gigolo Kerry will try it again. What a freaking idiot.

Why insult freaking idiots?

15 posted on 07/20/2013 2:50:06 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Olog-hai

I cannot believe that Israel would be so stupid as to accept any treaty with the 67 borders!!! They would give all the West Bank back to the terrorists and that one small portion of Israel near the top of the country would be like SIX MILES WIDE!!! There is no way to keep the terrorists out. They gave them a launch point from Gaza. Now give them the West Bank and the Golan Heights also?!?!?! Surely the PM cannot be this stupid!!!


16 posted on 07/20/2013 2:52:57 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

You may recognize this, it’s called Square One, or more appropriated, Square Zero. Thanks Olog-hai.

[FAIL] Abbas delays decision on peace talks, Kerry to fly home [FAIL]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3045366/posts

Obama: ‘Peace is possible,’ but see the world as Palestinians do
Thu March 21, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/21/politics/obama-mideast-visit

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3040817/posts?page=40#40


17 posted on 07/20/2013 3:20:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hopefully everyone in Israel understands that the if the PLO ever did the 67 borders, it would NOT be their last demand.


18 posted on 07/20/2013 3:32:39 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps John F’ing Scarry has forgotten that Israel is a sovereign nation and he has no say over their affairs.


19 posted on 07/20/2013 3:40:58 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Olog-hai

yes, but he was “Only Following Orders”

the bigger issue is that Israel has, or gets, leadership not possessed of a suicide complex

“just say No, Bibi, just say No” (you can learn how, it is only two little letters .... try pronouncing “No” in the mirror tonight, ... N....O.....NO” see, you did it!”


20 posted on 07/20/2013 3:42:24 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: Olog-hai

In case anyone has forgotten, the Palestinians will never be happy until all Jews are dead. That’s a basic part of their religion of peace.


21 posted on 07/20/2013 3:45:52 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Olog-hai

Please remind me just one more time why ANY JEW VOTED FOR OBAMA??? I have a number of Jewish friends who are still Obama supporters. Appalling!


22 posted on 07/20/2013 3:47:12 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Olog-hai

This is why Obama picked Kerry.....


23 posted on 07/20/2013 3:48:11 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: LtKerst

Someone...anyone...put kerry in prison for something.


24 posted on 07/20/2013 3:58:47 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Olog-hai
Article about it posted at the Blaze: U.S. Guarantees Israel’s Pre-1967 Borders Will Be Basis for Renewed Talks with Palestine, Officials Say


25 posted on 07/20/2013 4:13:47 PM PDT by Errant
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To: originalbuckeye

With this kind of friends who needs enemy.:-))


26 posted on 07/20/2013 4:16:24 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: BenLurkin
Hopefully everyone in Israel understands...

No, sadly they don't. Their left is as far gone as ours is, and is full of many Low Information types. Considering that the enemy lives among the citizens it is as crazy/stupid as it sounds.
27 posted on 07/20/2013 4:53:33 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: Olog-hai

Why doesn’t Israel just say that they will NEVER go back to 1967 borders. That they will NEVER stop building in the so-called occupied territories. If attacked we will respond with a factor of TEN. That the use of tactical nukes is on the table. That there will NEVER be a Palestinian state.

After you accept all of these terms, call us. Until then there will be no peace talks.


28 posted on 07/20/2013 5:16:26 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Olog-hai

Pray for Israel.


29 posted on 07/20/2013 5:27:23 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: elcid1970

Exactly, the pre 67 boarder is a ceasefire line, not a boarder.

Without a boarder, there is nothing to negotiate


30 posted on 07/20/2013 6:15:34 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Olog-hai

Someday this world will get their agreement dividing the land, and when they do, this is what I believe happens:

The division of the land from the June 7th, 1967 (second) restoration of Jerusalem (and Judea and Samaria) is being done by ‘principalities and powers in high places’ (Satan) to hinder/obstruct the specific requirements being met to count Daniels 70 weeks (or 490 years determined on Israel, not the Church)

The gospel is the Jubilee, Jesus accepted it in Isaiah 61, but was rejected by Israel and was cutoff at 62 weeks, not 69 as most conjecture, the 49 years or 7 weeks were accepted, its him, its his work, its what Israel rejected and thats why the angel broke it up, and tells us he was cutoff at “62 weeks” or 434 years, meaning there are still 56 years remaining of the 490 to be completed, a future Jubilee (declared at 49 years and then on Yom Kippur) and then the last week of seven years,

See Daniel 9:24, Gabriel gives two requirements to begin counting days:

1) “thy people” (Israel restored 1948) and
2) “thy “holy city”(Jerusalem restored 1967)

The restoration is in place, but not the time element, not a jubilee yet,

And its the breaking, and seeking to change these times and seasons we’re told of in Daniel 7 that brings the end, its this event that sets in motion the judgement upon the Earth.

Joel Chapter 3 mentions it occurring specifically after the restoration of Jerusalem and Judah in the latter days, Isaiah 11:11 tells us there is only a second restoration,

I believe this is why Satan is thrown out of Heaven in Revelation 12 (he’s there now accusing the brethren) and its why he seeks to change Gods set times and Laws, and its why Jesus is returning as it says in Isaiah 63:4 “vengeance is in my heart and the year of my redeemed has come”

It’s the Jubilee restoration of all things. Peter tells us the heavens must receive him until the time of the restitution of all things, its a Jubilee,

This is not about ancient promises being kept to Israel, its about Jesus being come into the flesh with [these] very promises, fulfilling them in the flesh himself because no man could ever perform them, he did it for us, and the transgressors having to meet the time element for being dispersed from the land and then returned as we’re shown in Ezekiel 37 and many other places, and for the fulness of the Gentiles to be come in (again a time element) its Satan and this world system, the spirit of antichrist at work, trying to obtain legal possession of the Earth using God’s own Laws and Ordinances. In Leviticus were told that walled cities did not go out with the Jubilee release, and now just within the past two decades because of Palestinian homicide bombers, Israel itself has built a wall around all of Judea and Samaria, irony

This is (I suspect) why in Revelation 11:2 that Jerusalem is given over for 42 months. I also believe that Israel has to agree to it, Satan with his Nimrod in the white house or whatever pit he eventually is permitted to lift him up from, they cannot bring it, and the UN cannot decree it as they tried in December of 2012, that is, to undo what God has done in the Earth (flesh), and no manner of force is possible to obtain it without their (Israel) agreeing, and if they would only trust God it could never happen, but at some point they will, voluntarily, for “peace and security”

Its a ‘covenant with death’ and God is going to annul it, see Isaiah 28:18.

At this time the “court sits” and the judgement is set per Daniel Chapter 7, and we’re shown more details in Revelation Chapters 4 and 5. Jesus will take legal possession of the Earth as our kinsman redeemer and legally repossess the land using the Jubilee (and the framework which he gave to Moses as the Law for which he then used to insert himself into the world to make restitution for us all) Its how he reclaims the physical Earth for the Kingdom of God in the resurrected flesh,

Its how and why the end comes when it does.

Jesus came into the world as the Word, he is the Jubilee made flesh, and that covenant which he made in the flesh (not in his Spirit as with the Church) is tied to the physical land as much as to the people, and this is why Satan has to destroy those requirements (and Israel as a restored people who can call for its completion) from reaching their conclusion under the Law with the fullness of time for both the Gentiles and the 490 years for Israel to become complete,


31 posted on 07/20/2013 7:08:24 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder how Egypt will feel about doing 1967 all over again.


32 posted on 07/20/2013 7:20:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: originalbuckeye

There are many liberal Jews that do not care about the state of Israel. Many more liberal Jews buy the “land for peace” propaganda hook, line and sinker; they actually believe that giving the “Palestinians” their own state means that the Jewish state of Israel will be allowed to “coexist” in peace.

Ever heard the leftist propaganda that claims that “fundamentalist” Christians want to actually bring about the Apocalypse by causing WWIII in Israel so that all the Jews can be exterminated there—and that is the only reason Christians support Israel? (There are several websites that broadcast this lie.)


33 posted on 07/20/2013 8:54:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The most pro-Israel people I know are Christians. And not because we want Israel destroyed. I hope the Lib Jews haven’t sealed Israel’s fate.


34 posted on 07/20/2013 9:31:26 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Olog-hai

YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will seize Israel one bite at a time if that is all Israel is willing to give them. In exchange, Israel will only get more bloodshed, heartache and tragedy.


35 posted on 07/21/2013 8:23:14 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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