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The Insiders: Obamacare is falling apart (Washington Post editorial)
Washington Post ^ | July 19, 2013 | Ed Rogers

Posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:11 AM PDT by Zakeet

As the reality of Obamacare emerges, a disastrous calamity imposed on the American people, even the most compliant members of the Obama fan club are beginning to panic. Three union presidents have sent Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi a scathing letter decrying Obamacare, showing just how out-of-control this law has become. This astonishing reversal has been underreported so far, except by the ever-vigilant Tom Gara in the Wall Street Journal.

The fact is that the crater of Obamacare is getting deeper, with sharper edges. The unions are first-tier political allies of President Obama and the Democratic Party, and it was surely their last resort to put their grievances with Obamacare in writing in the public sphere. A lot must have happened behind the scenes before they felt sufficiently frustrated with the Obama administration to take this step.

In a joint letter, James P. Hoffa of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Joseph Hansen of the UFCW and D. Taylor of UNITE-HERE state that Obamacare will “destroy the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class” and “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.” And they highlight their buyer’s remorse:

We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

You can feel their anxiety and boiling frustration coming through.

What does falling apart look like for Obamacare, if not this?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; dtaylor; jamesphoffa; josephhansen; liberalism; obamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; teamsters; ufcw; unions; unitehere; zerocare
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Our goal over the next 15 months is to make sure the 2014 elections will not just be a referendum on Obamacare ... and we're finding that it’s not easy to persuade our Democratic allies to stick with our talking points and walk off an electoral cliff!

1 posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:11 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

This outcome of the disaster called ‘Obamacare’ was perfectly clear long before the 2012 elections, yet this same Washington Post kept its mouth shut about it, instead parroting the same lies we’ve heard from this Administration since 2009. If anything, the WaPo should be apoligizing for the role it played in all of this. After all, they were the ones who endorsed this less than one year ago.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 5:38:21 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Zakeet

———A lot must have happened behind the scenes -——

It will be interesting to see if what happened off stage is ever revealed

What did happen?


3 posted on 07/21/2013 5:40:50 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Zakeet

falling apart or not, it is the law and wreaking havoc on the economy as it was designed to do.

The feckless republicans in the house, who supposedly control the purse strings, continue to fund the monster. Until the republicans put the country ahead of themselves, we continue to lose.

I don’t expect any change in the republicans in my lifetime (I am old).


4 posted on 07/21/2013 5:43:56 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Hoodat

If anything, the WaPo should be apologizing for the role it played in all of this.

My learned guess is that a lot more mainstream media monkeys are going to suffer buyer's remorse over ObamaCare before this disaster is over ... but you're delusional if you think these masters of perfection will even recognize they were at fault, let alone apologize for their stupidity.

5 posted on 07/21/2013 5:48:37 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats: Making everything free in this country except you)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

The GOP needs a few more (maybe a lot more) crotch fighters like Ted Cruz...


6 posted on 07/21/2013 5:49:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Zakeet
The fact is that the crater of Obamacare is getting deeper, with sharper edges.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 5:52:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Zakeet

One of the huge differences between conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives are more than happy to live under the same laws they want for everyone else.

Liberals expect to be exempted from the laws they expect everyone else to live under.


8 posted on 07/21/2013 5:54:38 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: bert
"What did happen?

They passed the law. They found out what was hiding in its two thousand pages. They discovered it has nothing to do with "health care." The fix is going to be unpleasant. In the extreme. But first, the Devil to pay.
9 posted on 07/21/2013 5:56:40 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Zakeet
One of the frequently asked questions on the HHS Web site is, “Can I keep my own doctor?” The HHS answer to this question has evolved; currently, the answer is, “Depending on the plan you choose in the Marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor.”

Hehehe... hahaha... ho... he...

Rut-roh. I think the joke's on me.

10 posted on 07/21/2013 5:59:33 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: 2banana

“Liberals expect to be exempted from the laws they expect everyone else to live under.”

Yes, and liberals are very happy to vote for ‘freebies’, as long as the costs are paid for by someone else. They all thought they were going to get free medical care, and that the only people who were going to get hurt were ‘those rich doctors and hospitals and insurance companies etc.’. In the end, they pushed through a law that hurts many patients, and makes money for specific ‘fat cats’ who were in bed with the administration during the planning phases of this disaster. And, overall costs go up, not down.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 6:00:20 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Zakeet

Do not worry. Everything is on schedule for single payer.


12 posted on 07/21/2013 6:02:45 AM PDT by HChampagne
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

It is rather ironic - isn’t it?

The most hard core supporters of obama (college kids, blacks and latinos) are getting hammered by the policies of obama.

But they will never learn.


13 posted on 07/21/2013 6:04:49 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Zakeet

Interesting that the Wa Post describes the debacle of Obamacare as a rejection by the unionts who are the Dem political funding army. The Wa Post doesn’t mention anything about Americans’ health or the quality of American health care. The criterion of failure for the Wa Post is a failure in political support for Dems. This is revealing.


14 posted on 07/21/2013 6:06:37 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: 2banana

Excellent point. One fine post!


15 posted on 07/21/2013 6:12:49 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Zakeet
Not to say we told you so, BUT...


16 posted on 07/21/2013 6:14:10 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: iacovatx

Astute observation.


17 posted on 07/21/2013 6:15:19 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
"Yes, and liberals are very happy to vote for ‘freebies’, as long as the costs are paid for by someone else."

Object lesson: Voters in Detroit over the last few decades.

18 posted on 07/21/2013 6:16:46 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The GOP needs a few more (maybe a lot more) crotch fighters like Ted Cruz...”

Am proud to say he is my Senator

Really hope he replaces McConnell as leader

His first act would be stripping the likes of McCain and Graham of any leadership position


19 posted on 07/21/2013 6:17:40 AM PDT by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: iacovatx

I note that 11.2 percent of neurologists, just one specialty area of health care, have recently chosen to leave the profession. That is more than one in every ten of these professionals who spent many years perfecting the ability to treat multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, stroke, and other maladies. The burden of administrative complexity that eats away at the time available to practice medicine is a serious threat to health care in general. However, Obamacare is designed to push the delivery of care down to nurse practitioners and less costly but less knowledgable health care personnel. At the same time, Obamacare pushes quality measurement to counter the lowering of quality of care. It puts the stresses on the backs of the practitioners. Guess whose health care will suffer? In addition, the added patient load and requirements to treat/insure will shift the cost to already overburdened taxpayers and working people. Obamacare doesn’t fit the real world and has been an obvious tragedy from the start.
But, tens of millions voted for this kind of gov’t. There is no one to protect these voters from themselves. Too bad the rest of us get dragged into their debacles.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 6:19:35 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Hoodat
"a disastrous calamity imposed on the American people"

The American people imposed this disastrous calamity on themselves.

And it is not the only disastrous calamity that they have imposed on themselves--and their children.

It is they who elected the politicians who passed this legislation.

It is they who shrugged when their elected officials passed it without reading it and without even knowing what was in the legislation that they passed into law.

It is they who continue to support such propaganda organs as the Washington Post, which, far from bringing truth to the people, truth that would enable the electorate to make wise decisions, merely parrot political propaganda and attempt to influence public opinion.

It is the American people who refuse to demand truth and who are responsible for their present condition.

21 posted on 07/21/2013 6:21:54 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Savage Beast
The American people imposed this disastrous calamity on themselves.

Well, either that, or the election-thieving RATs did.

22 posted on 07/21/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Zakeet

The real goal is to find GOPe pols willing to take on the fight, and not compromise a band aid fix.


23 posted on 07/21/2013 6:27:53 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Zakeet

ObamaCare is here to stay. From a liberal bureaucrat’s perspective, look at the positives:
1. It puts big pharmaceutical companies in a position to extract billions from the system, which will enrich not only the companies, but any politician with enough leverage to procure a kickback or benefit.
2. It creates an immense bureaucracy with cushy jobs, six figure salaries, union supremacy and nearly limitless authority.
3. The government will have unrestricted access to the bank accounts and personal information of every citizen that will be used to punish dissent and insure obedience to any demand of government. Shut up, hand over your guns and do as you’re told or suffer the consequences, not the least of which will be total denial of healthcare.
4. America becomes ruled by a single political party, like the former USSR.

For everyone that hates freedom and political diversity, it’s a huge win/win.


24 posted on 07/21/2013 6:34:14 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Zakeet

They need to get a rail, tie Pelosi across it and have a group of Volunteers in a relay carry her on it all the way back to California.


25 posted on 07/21/2013 6:36:31 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Zakeet
The Obama Administration and the Democrat Party is attempting, by it's own public admissions, to forge a New Coalition consisting of a small ruling Elite made up of Political, Technological,Business, Military , Law Enforcement, Academic, Cultural, Artistic “Elites” who rule over a government dependent under class made up of Blacks, Illegal immigrants and working poor and former members of the middle class displaced by the negative effects of their ill advised policies.

The number of the government dependent under class voters will act as a power base to swamp the traditional American Middle Class majority and provide electoral majority . The thug element of the under class will act as quickly mobilizable flash mobs to intimidate or assault and opposition as has been done in Venezuela. (interesting in light of recent events)

Control will facilitated by a Computer database system that tracks pretty much everything from personal financial data to surveillance data. The recent NSA and IRS disclosures demonstrate just how far we are along in that process and a scary new revelation is that the government is using surveillance, photo radar and red light cameras combined with pattern recognition to extract automobile license plate data and use it to track peoples travel history.

This system is to be propped up by a much reduced working class and other producers in the economy. These producers will be worked to the bone for little benefit themselves and families to support the under class and the Elites.

This is what Obamacare was about.

Union workers are producers who have been a major of part of the of the Old Democrat Coalition but they are in the process of being frozen out the New Democrat Coalition for obvious reasons.

Unions members being betrayed by the Democrats and their Union leadership and they are just one more example of the group of useful idiots who put the current Politicians into power.

Like all useful idiots who put lawless politicians into power, union rank and file members are being discarded and purged now that the Political class consolidating it's power and they are no longer .

Of course that will not effect the union leaders because they are now looking at recruiting non working welfare layabouts to organize and agitate for their welfare checks using the same tactics the Unions used to intimidate and extort companies like GM into granting extravagant contracts.

Once again , we see the beginnings of this in the AFL / CIOs new recruitment of “non Workers “ as members and also the actions of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

26 posted on 07/21/2013 6:37:00 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Zakeet

Obamacare trainwreck bump for later.......


27 posted on 07/21/2013 6:40:23 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Hoodat

It doesn’t have anything to do with WaPo. It is an article written by a republican that is published by the WaPo. No different from a Krauthammer article published by WaPO.


28 posted on 07/21/2013 6:40:52 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: HChampagne
Do not worry. Everything is on schedule for single payer.

Correct. All is going as planned

29 posted on 07/21/2013 6:42:03 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: iacovatx
Interesting that the Wa Post describes the debacle of Obamacare as a rejection by the unionts who are the Dem political funding army. The Wa Post doesn’t mention anything about Americans’ health or the quality of American health care. The criterion of failure for the Wa Post is a failure in political support for Dems. This is revealing.

You do realize, don't you, that this is not "The Washington Post" speaking, rather it is an editorial by Republican consultant Ed Rogers who is a contributor to the WP's "Post Partisan" blog and who is described as:

"spars with Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen under the “Insiders” banner. He is also chairman of the lobbying and communications firm BGR Group, which he founded with now-Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour in 1991. Rogers has been involved with numerous Republican political campaigns, including the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. In the first Bush White House, he reported to chief of staff John Sununu. In the Reagan White House, he worked in the office of political affairs."

30 posted on 07/21/2013 6:44:31 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Zakeet

Bump


31 posted on 07/21/2013 6:45:41 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

If the elections were stolen, it is the responsibility of the American people to demand and get the truth and the remedy.


32 posted on 07/21/2013 6:46:03 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Zakeet

This bill is far worse than you can imagine. Keep in mind that the D-Rats had to pass the senate version of O-Care because of Scott Brown not allowing them to bring it back to a second Senate vote. The house did not have a chance to clean it up and send it back to the Senate. So we got stuck with the full unedited monstrosity! No wonder Nancy didn’t want read it. After Scott Brown, her job was cut and clear.....Pass it as quickly and sneakily as possible.


33 posted on 07/21/2013 6:51:33 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Zakeet

If Republicans had pushed for tort reform (instead of throwing the issue under the bus), might we not be in this mess?


34 posted on 07/21/2013 6:51:37 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Zakeet

The real goal is to find GOPe pols willing to take on the fight, and not compromise a band aid fix.


35 posted on 07/21/2013 6:56:52 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Zakeet

36 posted on 07/21/2013 7:09:47 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Savage Beast
If the elections were stolen, it is the responsibility of the American people to demand and get the truth and the remedy.

All cities are RAT.

I highly doubt there are enough normal people there who give a damn.

37 posted on 07/21/2013 7:12:24 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Zakeet
Obamacare is just one small part to what King Obama has done to the economy of America. America is finished and may take generation to overcome the damage. We are heading for a dictatorship.
38 posted on 07/21/2013 7:14:11 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Zakeet

Obamacare will destroy.
Has for the last 4 1/2 years so far.


39 posted on 07/21/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Zakeet

If it makes anyone feel any better:

I have a good friend who works in IT. A systems architect, as far as I understand such things. Until recently she had been working for a federal contractor that had a contract to implement Obamacare technologies. That contract was just cancelled and my friend is out of work. She says it’s because Obamacare’s fundamental problems are becoming apparent and are drawing oversight. The impression I have gained is of increasing hysteria among those who are trying to put this horror show together.

She is a big liberal, and two years ago she was all thrilled about this program. I warned her—from the standpoint of someone who actually works with medical practice—that the thing is a nightmare. Now she is saying the same things I did, while I’ve tactfully shut up.


40 posted on 07/21/2013 7:27:15 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: Zakeet

I loved the comments to this story at the link. For this to be on a WaPo site, I was pleasantly surprised.


41 posted on 07/21/2013 7:47:32 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Savage Beast

The silent majority that you so scathingly blame with self satisfaction are overwhelmingly voting in the one place they think their votes still count.

The gun store.


42 posted on 07/21/2013 7:56:44 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Zakeet.
In a joint letter, James P. Hoffa of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Joseph Hansen of the UFCW and D. Taylor of UNITE-HERE state that Obamacare will "destroy the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class" and "destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans."
IOW, what they want is legislation prohibiting part-time labor, and that Obamacare doesn't go far enough.


43 posted on 07/21/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Zakeet

When ObamaCare collapses, the only ones who will still be supporting it will be Obama and the RINOs in Congress.


44 posted on 07/21/2013 8:17:09 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: ottbmare

Yeah....and I have a friend who worked as a senior admin in a medical records company....laid off a while back....and can’t get a job ...even as an “Obamacare Navigator”...also voted for Obama twice.


45 posted on 07/21/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by spokeshave
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To: spokeshave
I have a friend who worked as a senior admin in a medical records company....laid off a while back....and can’t get a job ...even as an “Obamacare Navigator”...also voted for Obama twice.

Oh good!

Make sure you remind him frequently that ObamaCare is Bush's fault.

46 posted on 07/21/2013 8:29:35 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: PowderMonkey
They found out what was hiding in its two thousand pages.

Apparently, what was hiding in 2,000 pages of the law is more than 20,000 pages of regulations.

47 posted on 07/21/2013 8:31:54 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: savedbygrace

Suffer...Fellow Americans. The LIBs have screwed us all, so suffer. Don’t keep quiet. Tell the LIBs and their brain-dead supporters what they have done. Ridicule them, laugh at them, get in their face (to follow nobama’s prompt) and shun them in your community. Stop being quiet. The LIBs are subhuman insects who destroy everything they touch. nobamacare is working as intended. When we are forced into “single payer” it will be exceptionally bad. These commie thugs require a dose of justice. Never let them forget.


48 posted on 07/21/2013 8:39:46 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Zakeet
BUT- Obama had the advice & support of the medical "community" in crafting the bill....

 photo obama_doctors-lootie.jpg

49 posted on 07/21/2013 9:04:12 AM PDT by mikrofon (Pitchdoctors)
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To: mikrofon

This "doctor" gave his advice as well.

50 posted on 07/21/2013 9:05:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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