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Black college students at predominantly white campuses feel internal cultural tension
The Oklahoman ^ | 7/21/13 | Silas Allen

Posted on 07/21/2013 7:03:16 AM PDT by T-Bird45

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To: T-Bird45
"...so I have to go make pancakes now."

Your post says volumes...a healthy bit of intellectual curiosity, but an even larger willingness to get on with things.

Of course the left could never put up with this sort of thing catching on.

51 posted on 07/21/2013 7:37:59 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Dallas59

I found the same thing. Left my (white) working class home and friends (we talked like the cast of jersey shore) and found at university that I sounded like a buffoon, so adjusted my speech and behavior.

I believe the process is called EDUCATION


52 posted on 07/21/2013 7:40:20 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: T-Bird45

yea!well I guess now they know what its like to be a white student in a predominantly black educational system,like I was during the sixties an seventies.

it was not a good educational experience.

Parents,Keep your kids out of the Public School Systems.Espechially those in the inner city.


53 posted on 07/21/2013 7:40:39 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Wanderer99

Friend of mine teaches in Birmingham Alabama says the students couldn’t care less about learning and just plain don’t care


54 posted on 07/21/2013 7:42:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FreeAtlanta

yeah am I supposed to still say goo goo gaga after I am in college? How am I going to be a doctor or accountant if I won’t learn the vocab?


55 posted on 07/21/2013 7:43:32 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: T-Bird45
It is further irritating that OU went to TX to find this specimen and expend my taxes in an obviously futile effort to raise him from his circumstances.

How do you think I feel since the little whiner was FROM here? LOL!

IMHO, the world has seemed to have forgotten certain 'true-isms'. Things like - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Maybe we should call this bunch The Frightened Generation. A lot of them sure seem to need a great deal of handholding.

56 posted on 07/21/2013 7:44:34 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: T-Bird45

I felt a lot of pressure the other day while filling out an application for classes, to state what race I am.

I feel a lot of pressure to explain to my kids why being Mexican, especially an illegal, is a much better position from which to be selected for college, and to get a scholarship, instead of being white like they are.

They just don’t feel the urge to hate themselves because people in some stupid economic decision making hundreds of years ago went with the asinine trend to use slave labor and to push for its legality, nor because idiots acted on racial prejudice rampantly, 50 years ago.

They would rather feel encouraged that they can do whatever they want to do in life, like their great grandparents who built New York City as bricklayers and elevator constructors who put their kids through college, the military academies, engineering programs to help lead corporations like Motorola and Coca Cola and Schering Plough, regardless of the street fighting and snobby (perhaps somewhat deserved) stigma against their Irish nationality.

So, there’s pressure there to hate themselves for being white that they’re also bombarded with in classes who hammer this stuff in with months of study of the Holocaust, slavery etc, and that’s just in eighth grade. Oh, and, of course with no mention of the holocaust occurring under their noses, of their friends, brothers and sisters, 55 million killed in this country since 1973, which, if we ever climb out of this morass, will pale Hitler’s killing of a mere 6 million.

Of course now they’re in a good school learning what they should be learning - the classics, chemistry, language western civ. But there’s pressure coming for them to feel bad about all of this when they get out into college, and the workworld.

They don’t buy the lie that it’s not racist for the country to hate white people.

Young people are much more logical than they get credit for, and much more logical than adults whose work and college environments have corrupted them into being.

But it’s pressure for a parent to make sense out of this for them. Why the Mexican (non white Latina) who roars off in her mother’s new Escalade gets no questions asked scholarship money while they happily tumble into the old military salary bought Camry.

Coffees ready.

Waffles for us

S


57 posted on 07/21/2013 7:45:09 AM PDT by stanne
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To: IbJensen
"Or, like one negro youth recently did, walk up to a young white mother pushing a perambulator and shoot her baby to death"

Just curious, what culture calls a baby stroller a perambulator?

58 posted on 07/21/2013 7:45:25 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: RoosterRedux

My kids came home from Africa to enroll in public school in a southern city which has a 67% black population. Our son was the only white boy in his class.

Now THAT was culture shock!

BTW, our son was the first white child seen by the tribe with whom we worked. Different skin color was nothing new to him. However, in many ways, he was closer to the culture of those Uganda villages than to that of a predominantly “African-American” USA elementary school.


59 posted on 07/21/2013 7:45:38 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: IbJensen
The race apparently has a built-in inferiority complex that can only be alleviated if they can find some poor unfortunate white person and literally kick the hell out of them.

Not really built-in.

When you are taught to play the victim for cash and goodies from Whitey, you actually start to believe you are a victim...and victims are, by their very nature, needy and inferior (or they wouldn't be victims).

60 posted on 07/21/2013 7:46:38 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: virgil283

I met a guy from the hill in North Carolina, no kidding he called himself Captain Bridey but it was spelled Brady, I could barely understand the guy but he was a nice fella. He had grown up in a house with no central heating. Another Missouri lawyer I knew grew up in a house with no indoor plumbing, they thought about water, and they did but a water heater which sat unplumbed on the back porch all his childhood.....met the first one in the JAG Corps and the second one in central MO.


61 posted on 07/21/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: T-Bird45

“That inner conflict continues when those students return home, according to the report. Of the 67 students involved in the focus groups, 52 were first-generation college students. Those students reported their families didn’t have an understanding of the students’ college experiences and the desire for a college degree.

One student reported feeling out of place during a summer family reunion, according to the report.

“I want to make it, have a job ... and they keep asking why I’m not married,” the student said. “I don’t even bother explaining the idea that I am preparing myself for law school.”

Lee, an African American Studies major at OU, said he notices that difference when he returns to Texas and talks to family and neighbors in the neighborhood where he grew up. Family and friends treat him with greater privilege, he said. He’s also more aware of the poverty and drug use in the neighborhood than he was while he was growing up, he said. “

Welcome to the world of anybody who went to college from a poor family, black, white or whatever. You will not be the same as you were before, which was part of the point of going; you will see things differently, and you will be different than the people around you, if they have done nothing similar themselves. Now get over it and get about your business.


62 posted on 07/21/2013 7:48:26 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: fella

haha good point


63 posted on 07/21/2013 7:49:05 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MamaTexan
I'm taking a little solace that my alma mater, Oklahoma State, got little mention here but I know there are similar examples there, too.
64 posted on 07/21/2013 7:49:42 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: cripplecreek
'...Maybe they should try American culture on for size and drop their separatist attitudes..."

"DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!"

65 posted on 07/21/2013 7:50:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: randita
This irony continually surprises me. Some of the most successful blacks are the biggest whiners. Rather than proclaim, "I did it, so can you, and here's how", they whine about how black people never get a fair shake and are profiled and discriminated against at every turn. They're walking dichotomies.

Do you think it may partially be rooted in the difference between actually earning something or having it handed to you, unearned, because of skin color?

Another poster mentioned people like Colonel West and Dr. Benjamin Carson. I think people like them, like Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams communicate the self confidence that comes from knowing they are on solid ground - they know their subject matter and know they have earned their standing in the world.

On the other side of the coin are people like Eric Holder, Barack and Michelle Obama who know they have not earned the standing or awards that have accrued to them. People like that tend to come across as overly race sensative, thin skinned, defensive and more than a little too aggressive at every imaginary slight.

How much significance can Obama's Nobel Peace Prize really hold for him or anyone else who knows it was just another Affirmative Action token?

Even Obama knows that his award does not carry the same value or meaning as those of more worthy Nobel Laureates like Lech Walesa, Mother Teresa, Andrei Sakharov or Albert Schweitzer.


66 posted on 07/21/2013 7:52:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: T-Bird45

African-American Studies ?


67 posted on 07/21/2013 7:54:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: T-Bird45; All
So.... college students feel like college students? Except in this case because they're black college students, it has to be because they're black? That's racist.

During my college years, we students would talk about how we felt differently when going back home than when we were away at college. If you feel no impact, the experience is a failure. These students are realizing the world is more than their old neighborhood. If you don't grow, the experience is a failure.

If your language doesn't change in a manner to prepare you for the professional world while in college the experience is a failure. I'm heartened by the couple comments from students who saw ills and shortcomings of their communities when returning.

Are we supposed to believe first generation white students don't return and find their family or

Colleges and universities don't need to "engage" these students and "their communities" ... their idea of "engage" is to be more ghetto, more "familiar" rather than stay transformative.

These students could become ambassadors and leaders to change their local communities so more of their neighbors, friends, relatives see opportunities available and seize them. Unfortunately, that appears a lost cause. Given the community's self-image they'll be outcasts, sell-outs and the like if they don't maintain the duality or, like many white grads do, just move on to bigger and better things.

68 posted on 07/21/2013 7:57:53 AM PDT by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: Gaffer

Is that why BO cannot speak one sentence without saying “uuh”, after having attended Harvard Law?

We are really trying to find the answer to that burning question


69 posted on 07/21/2013 7:58:09 AM PDT by stanne
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To: T-Bird45

but he adopted the speech patterns and culture of the people around him.

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This is not a black thing, everyone adapts to the speech patterns/culture around them.


70 posted on 07/21/2013 7:58:45 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: T-Bird45

Make one for the bunny!!!


71 posted on 07/21/2013 8:01:04 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (froggie sez water nice and warm)
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To: T-Bird45
During the late 1800’s and early 1900’s a lot of people that had some Indian blood would list themselves as Black in Oklahoma census's.
72 posted on 07/21/2013 8:01:29 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: stanne

The “uuh” or “unh” has a direct correlation with if there is a teleprompter on site or not.


73 posted on 07/21/2013 8:01:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: T-Bird45

What a pantload.


74 posted on 07/21/2013 8:02:30 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: T-Bird45

Another BGI article [Black Grievance Industry].

Stay out of the kitchen, Blacks, if you don’t like the heat.

If I choose to go live and work in Japan for an extended period, is that entire country supposed to change to meet my need to feel like I’m still in America? Should they isolate me in a little American enclave that they are required to construct? Is that even what I would want?


75 posted on 07/21/2013 8:03:39 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: T-Bird45

Simply put for many in America racism is a business.


76 posted on 07/21/2013 8:05:46 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: newzjunkey
During my college years, we students would talk about how we felt differently when going back home than when we were away at college. If you feel no impact, the experience is a failure. These students are realizing the world is more than their old neighborhood. If you don't grow, the experience is a failure.

If your language doesn't change in a manner to prepare you for the professional world while in college the experience is a failure. I'm heartened by the couple comments from students who saw ills and shortcomings of their communities when returning.

Your "failure" criteria are well-structured and ought to be more explicitly stated as a goal for all college students, not just the minority groups. In the same way physical growth is sometimes painful, changes in the way we think can require some pain to our psyche, especially when one is so bought in to a false sense of "culture."

77 posted on 07/21/2013 8:09:54 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

Gee: I bet I would feel the same way if I attended Howard.

I would probably feel the same way if I attended a party at the Playboy mansion. Or if I was introduced to the Pope.

This is a non-story.


78 posted on 07/21/2013 8:10:06 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Rebelbase
Just curious, what culture calls a baby stroller a perambulator?

It's from the UK/Brit-speak. Again, two countries separated by a common language.

79 posted on 07/21/2013 8:11:50 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I remember when Universities used to educate people, rather then get involved in social engineering.

BTW, did this boy pay for his education, or did he get a free ride due to his skin color?


80 posted on 07/21/2013 8:13:31 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Shimmer1

Pancakes today were blueberry...thought the bunny was strictly a plain pancake...LOL!!


81 posted on 07/21/2013 8:13:47 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks.


82 posted on 07/21/2013 8:13:57 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: T-Bird45

This is the problem with European style collectivism. We are each individuals firstly. Forget about what “group” you are from or the black “culture.” You’re an American citizen, period. Let it go.

It also seems like the problem lies within black families, rather than at the predominantly white universities. The only way that’s going to change is if more black youth are motivated to do well in school, instead of succumbing to the norm of black youth which is to do poorly, because education doesn’t matter, so they think.


83 posted on 07/21/2013 8:16:11 AM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum/Perry or Perry/Santorum 2016)
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To: T-Bird45

“Lee, an African American Studies major at OU, said he notices that difference when he returns to Texas and talks to family and neighbors in the neighborhood where he grew up. Family and friends treat him with greater privilege, he said. He’s also more aware of the poverty and drug use in the neighborhood than he was while he was growing up, he said. “

And this is bad, how? Oh, yeah, drug use and poverty ARE part of the culture he is loathe to give up because success and not using drugs are part of white culture?


84 posted on 07/21/2013 8:16:57 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: T-Bird45

Maybe if the college just renamed their cheeleader squad to “The Whos and Bitches” then this young man might feel more “at home”?


85 posted on 07/21/2013 8:17:50 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: T-Bird45
According to a recent study published in the National Communication Association's journal, Communication Education, black students at predominantly white universities still often struggle to assimilate themselves into a culture they see as different from their own.

When black people point out that there are cultural differences that lead to tension, the statement is accepted and it's suggested that white people must change or be more accomodating. When white people point out that cultural differences lead to tension it's racist, and once again it's white people who must change.

86 posted on 07/21/2013 8:18:45 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: T-Bird45

Sounds like the PROPAGANDA Factory schooled him well....lucky we GERMANS didn’t feel the same way, or America would likely be speaking German....sheesh....


87 posted on 07/21/2013 8:19:02 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

And, FURTHERMORE, my German Great Grandmother required we STAND UP in front of the TV whenever the National Anthem played....and did not speak German to us (although I wish she had...)


88 posted on 07/21/2013 8:21:09 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Gaffer

Oh, we know that.

We just saw Reagan on Johnny Carson, having a thoughtful conversation. TCM is running tapes of these interviews this month.

The kids were amazed at his articulateness and especially the contrast of his conversational speech compared with BO.

It’s where the question arose.


89 posted on 07/21/2013 8:22:10 AM PDT by stanne
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To: PGR88

I have found that when speaking to upper management, warehouse talk is a no-no. Talking with the guys on the dock is one thing, but being able to make the switch in communication is a position buster.


90 posted on 07/21/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: T-Bird45

There is no limit to the number of and outlandishness of excuses that blacks can muster to explain away their own problems. These ungrateful bastards don’t stop to think that white European Americans gave a half million lives so that the government would not have to pay to free the slaves like they did in England and elsewhere, nor that their ancestors in West Africa are still killing each other right and left.

They should stop their whining, get out the books, get a job and STFUp.


91 posted on 07/21/2013 8:24:51 AM PDT by anton
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

That is a great analogy! I suppose it’s the conflict of “everything you were taught growing up was wrong.” It’s a shame that blacks have been allowed to believe that their culture is supposed to be illiterate and unsuccesful.


92 posted on 07/21/2013 8:35:55 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: Rebelbase

What culture?

Why a polite one of course.


93 posted on 07/21/2013 8:37:38 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: T-Bird45
"He felt like he was being asked to trade part of his “blackness” for the values and characteristics of the dominant white culture on campus."

I went to college, and I think that many college students of whatever race are somewhat intimidated by the college atmosphere. Particularly on large, public campuses, you can feel isolated and estranged from your environment, especially if you are away from home for the first time. Also there is the stress that you are - in a sense - competing with your co-students, and there is pressure to do well in this somewhat rarified atmosphere of "the best and the brightest" (so-called, that is).

Also, if you are a Christian, you can find your values and beliefs explicitly challenged and even mocked. You can get a sense that open expression of those values might even get you into conflict with professors or university officials.
94 posted on 07/21/2013 8:40:29 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: T-Bird45

One other thing I forgot to mention is that for conservative students, the left-wing atmosphere of most campuses can be a real shock, every bit as much as coming from the Hood, and that conservatives can feel pressured to keep their mouths shut about their real beliefs when they are subjected to indoctrination by left-wing professors.


95 posted on 07/21/2013 8:44:15 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: T-Bird45
But when he arrived at OU, he said, he felt pressure to change how he spoke and acted to integrate himself into the dominant culture.

You mean like white Southerners have had to do since the Civil War?

My heart bleeds.

96 posted on 07/21/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What would Yehoshu`a [Bin Nun] do?)
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To: T-Bird45
He felt like he was being asked to trade part of his “blackness” for the values and characteristics of the dominant white culture on campus

Yeah, who knows what speaking English, having manners, and respect for authority might lead to..... a job! Heaven forbid.

97 posted on 07/21/2013 8:47:17 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: T-Bird45

Imagine how a white person at a black college must feel.


98 posted on 07/21/2013 8:48:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: T-Bird45

What predominantly “white” campuses, heck nowadays most campuses are full of foreign students and teachers.


99 posted on 07/21/2013 8:49:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: T-Bird45
But when he arrived at OU, he said, he felt pressure to change how he spoke and acted to integrate himself into the dominant culture.

That's the entire idea of going to college, to learn from a higher class of people.

Unless we are going be PC and say that thug culture is just as good as any other culture.

100 posted on 07/21/2013 8:52:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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