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Canadian Born Gov. Jennifer Granholm Was Naturalized In 1980. When Did Ted Cruz Naturalize?
Cold Case Posse Supporter | July 21, 2013 | Cold Case Posse Supporter

Posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:04 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Since Canadian born Ted Cruz has emerged on the scene in Washington as a future presidential candidate for 2016, attention has turned to whether he is Constitutionally eligible for Article 2 Section 1, the presidential qualification clause. This is what we know. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Many say that disqualifies him to be eligible for the presidency. Enter former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm. She was born in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I came across an interview she did with Fox News's Chris Wallace in February of 2010. During the interview Wallace brought up the fact that since she was born in Canada, she wasn't eligible to be president. Here is the transcript:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/21/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-future-gop/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529

"GRANHOLM: No, I’m totally focused this year on creating every single job I can until the last moment. December 31st at midnight is when I’ll stop. So I have no idea what I’m going to do next, but I’m not going to run for president. I can tell you that.

WALLACE: Yes, that’s true. We should point out Governor Granholm is a Canadian and cannot run for president.

GRANHOLM: I’m American. I’ve got dual citizenship.”

With that said, I went to the biography of Jennifer Granholm and found that she was born to one American citizen and is indeed a dual Citizen who became 'NATURALIZED' as a U.S. Citizen in 1980 at the age of 21. Now this raises a question. How can a naturalized U.S. Citizen become president of the United States?

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TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Kentucky; US: Michigan; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; canada; certifigate; congress; corruption; electionfraud; florida; jennifergranholm; kentucky; mediabias; michigan; naturalborncitizen; obama; randsconcerntrolls; teaparty; tedcruz; texas; vanity; voterfraud
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The presidential clause states:

[No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.]

Nowhere in the presidential clause does the term 'naturalized Citizen' exist, therefore former Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a dual citizen, is not eligible to be president. Since it is official that no naturalized Citizen is allowed to become president, it brings us back to Senator Ted Cruz.

If dual Citizen claiming Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada to one American parent and she had to naturalize in 1980 at age 21 to become a U.S. Citizen, that means Ted Cruz would have had to naturalize at some point too making him also ineligible to be president. The question is when?

1 posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:05 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Cruz was a citizen at birth - period.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 5:36:18 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

3 posted on 07/21/2013 5:36:39 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Here is the link to Gov. Jennifer Granholm’s biography

http://immigration.about.com/b/2009/01/14/immigrant-spotlight-gov-jennifer-granholm.htm

Granholm’s family moved to the U.S. when she was four years old. She grew up in California and became a naturalized U.S. citizen at the age of 21.

Here is the transcript of Granholm’s statements admitting to dual Citizenship to Chris Wallace. Scroll down half the page.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/21/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-future-gop/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529


4 posted on 07/21/2013 5:37:14 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

New Zealand born Tennessee Nana was naturalized in 1975...

YAAAAAAAAAA I’m eligible

:)


5 posted on 07/21/2013 5:37:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Perdogg

Quick!!! Seal the records.


6 posted on 07/21/2013 5:40:11 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: Perdogg

Yes, a Canadian citizen, like my friend from high school, who was born in Montreal to American parents working there. She is a dual citizen, and so are her U.S. born kids who have never even been to Canada.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 5:40:12 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Perdogg

You have to be a natural born Citizen at birth to be president, not Citizen.


8 posted on 07/21/2013 5:41:27 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

That biography says nothing about one of her parents being American. Ted Cruz was born to an American mother, making him an American.


9 posted on 07/21/2013 5:41:55 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Perdogg

Don’t waste your time. You might as well pursue developing a free energy device. Both will be as successful.


10 posted on 07/21/2013 5:42:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Ted Cruz was never naturalized. Under the conditions of his birth, he was a US citizen, natural born citizen.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 5:42:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Unfortunately that ship sailed, natural born citizen since there is no definition of NBC in Constitution

Senator Cruz BTW was born to an American born mother and a legal immigrant father. different than Grandhold.


12 posted on 07/21/2013 5:43:44 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

This is rasis.

Oh, wait a minute, wrong thread.


13 posted on 07/21/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: EEGator

Most of the post 2008 birthers are nothing but trolls in my opinion.


14 posted on 07/21/2013 5:45:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree.


15 posted on 07/21/2013 5:46:29 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Sorry, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Cruz is was naturally born a US citizen

The difference between Cruz and Obama is that Obama gave up his citizenship and took foreign citizenship and, when college age, received benefits as a foreign student.

Cruz is a warrior for conservative American values, the constitution and is fighting the good fight against the current ruling elite which does not hold the same values.

Obama is trying to destroy American values, the American constitution and the nation itself.

Cruz will be a powerful candidate for President in 2016.


16 posted on 07/21/2013 5:47:03 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: cripplecreek
Most of the post 2008 birthers are nothing but trolls in my opinion.

Agreed. Here they are backstabbing Cruz by counting angels on the head of a pin instead of fighting the Rats.

Very skewed and even perverse priorities.

17 posted on 07/21/2013 5:47:13 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
I am not going to argue about this any more. I am tired of it. It is a silly argument that will never be resolved. The courts will never take unless it meets the criteria set forth in Jones v Bush.
18 posted on 07/21/2013 5:48:03 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

My father was Canadian-born of US parents in residence. He was given a choice of citizenship age 16 after having moved back age 2. He has gone through life thinking he could never be president.


19 posted on 07/21/2013 5:49:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

The good ol’ U. S. of A. does not recognize ‘dual-citizenship’.

Granholm, you’re either an American or you aren’t, period.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 5:50:37 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
You have to be a natural born Citizen at birth to be president, not Citizen.

Thank you! Period! The end!

21 posted on 07/21/2013 5:51:34 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Politicalmom

Radio Patriot is reporting that one of her parents was an American.

http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/canadian-granholm-implies-she-can-run-for-president-ive-got-dual-citizenship/

Ancestry.com
http://www.wargs.com/political/granholm.html

Ancestry of Jennifer Granholm

1 Jennifer Granholm, b. Vancouver, B. C., Canada, 5 Feb. 1959, emigrated with her parents to US in 1962, naturalized ... [early 1980s], Governor of Michigan 2003-current
m. ... 23 May 1986
Daniel Mulhern, b. ... , son of ... Mulhern and of ... .

three children (Kathryn, Cecelia, Jack)

PARENTS

2 Victor Ivar Granholm, b. Penny, B. C., ...
m.
3 Shirley Alfreda Dowden, b. ...


22 posted on 07/21/2013 5:53:49 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Tennessee Nana

TENNESEE NANA FOR PRESIDENT! (not really Nana, but it sounded good)


23 posted on 07/21/2013 5:54:02 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (froggie sez water nice and warm)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

You haz a smell.


24 posted on 07/21/2013 5:58:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: House Atreides

Yeah, rules are for losers!

I don’t see what’s so difficult about republicans nominating a conservative American, but they are in short supply.


25 posted on 07/21/2013 5:58:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Timber Rattler

The Constitution is CLEAR. Article 2 Section 1 states you have to be a natural born Citizen to be eligible to be president. Cruz has not proven that he is one. To let him slip through the cracks like Obama did can’t be allowed. Granholm was born a dual Citizen like Cruz was. She had to naturalize to become a U.S. Citizen in 1980. She can’t become president as a naturalized Citizen. So if she had to naturalize, Cruz had to at some point. When?


26 posted on 07/21/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Lets see...non-citizen African father, underage American mother....Born? Kenya? Canada? Hawaii? Adopted by and became an Indonesian? I think you have a bigger target for your questions living in Washington.

Cruz is a Natural-born citizen. This has nothing to do with where you are born. Just like the children of military personnel and ambassadors the nationality of your parents determines your citizenship.


27 posted on 07/21/2013 5:59:52 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Wasn’t McCain born in south America to two American citizens? Obviously, he was deemed eligible.


28 posted on 07/21/2013 6:00:16 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Her mother wouldn’t have had to “emigrate” if she were an American. I seen no proof. It also depends on the law at the time of birth. The reason it’s important whether Obama was born in the U.S. is because of the law at the time, his mother was too young to have lived in the U.S. for the time requisite to confer citizenship on him.

If Granholm’s mother was a U.S. citizen, but didn’t meet the criteria, Granholm would have had to be naturalized.


29 posted on 07/21/2013 6:01:00 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Bullcrap! What I see here are a bunch of disgruntled agitators like you, attacking our own, instead of fighting the larger and even more critical war against the Rats.

5th Column you are!

30 posted on 07/21/2013 6:01:10 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
The good ol’ U. S. of A. does not recognize ‘dual-citizenship’.

I guess you better tell the US State Department. They think otherwise.

US State Department Services Dual Nationality
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.

31 posted on 07/21/2013 6:01:35 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I meant to say Granholm was born in Canada like Cruz was to a American citizen.


32 posted on 07/21/2013 6:02:10 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Timber Rattler

Hell I’m a paleo birther from before Obama was elected but the simple fact is that he’s not going anywhere and some of these people seem to have a vested interest in sending birthers off in every remote direction possible.

I’ve even seen declarations that Michele Bachmann is ineligible due to an honorary Swiss citizenship and that’s just plain idiotic.


33 posted on 07/21/2013 6:03:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Give it a rest will ya?

Granholm said quite plainly she has no plans to run for president.

This entire thread is a canard.


34 posted on 07/21/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Politicalmom

Yes he is an American Citizen, just not a natural born Citizen eligible for Article 2 Section 1.


35 posted on 07/21/2013 6:04:49 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: thackney

Based on what?


36 posted on 07/21/2013 6:05:11 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: thackney

According to the US embassy in Canada, dual citizenship between both countries is legal but not encouraged.

http://canada.usembassy.gov/consular_services/dual-citizenship.html


37 posted on 07/21/2013 6:08:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

State Department says born of US parents on foreign soil is a US citizen.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

...a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.


38 posted on 07/21/2013 6:09:11 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Cold Case Posse Supporter

Naturalized citizens CANNOT become president.

My dad was naturalized before I was born.

He always told me “I can never be president because I was born in the old country, but YOU can be president.”

I was born here, to two citizens; my mom was born here.


39 posted on 07/21/2013 6:10:06 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Legally, there is substantial room for debate on Cruz’s eligibility. Given that the conservatives most likely to support his politics are also most likely to interpret the eligibility clause narrowly, the questions on his status as a natural born citizen are a serious political issue and not just a legal/constitutional issue.

My vote will be decided based on my interpretation of the Constitution. I don’t consider Cruz eligible, so, even if it’s him or Hillary, I will not vote for Cruz. I’m certainly not alone in that position. Whether 2% of conservatives, or 10%, or 20% agree with me doesn’t matter. In any case it’s enough to throw the election. The GOP would be prudent to choose someone who is unambiguously eligible, such as a former governor born in Sandpoint, Idaho, to two United States citizen parents.


40 posted on 07/21/2013 6:10:46 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

1934


41 posted on 07/21/2013 6:10:56 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
"what difference at this point does it make"

Since every court in the land has found that there is nobody in America with "standing" to raise an objection, where's the beef?

42 posted on 07/21/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I believe Cruz was registered at birth as an American citizen and was never registered as a Canadian. He did not have to be naturalized as he was a citizen of only the US.

When a baby is born of parents of two different countries, the parents may choose a single nationality or a double nationality for the baby. The baby is considered a “live birth” until the parents fill out the citizenship papers.

My grandson was born in England to an English mother and American father. The parents had a choice of making him only an American citizen or only a British citizen or a dual citizen. They chose for him to be a dual citizen and my son went to the American embassy that day and registered him as American. He has a full British passport and a full American passport. He does not have to be naturalized in either country as he is a full citizen. When he comes to the states, he uses his American passport and lines up with Americans to enter the country. If his mother comes, she has to get in the foreign country line. Certainly, a person with dual citizenship could not run for president or for prime minister in England. He would have to relinquish the citizenship of the other country in order to have full allegiance to the country where he wanted to hold office. If Britain has the same law we do about holding office, he would have to relinquish his American citizenship, then he could run for prime minister.

Until Cruz himself actually says in public that he was never a Canadian citizen, this will keep coming up. I read early on he was only an American citizen but no one will believe that until it is formally documented by him. If he had dual citizenship, he would have to drop his Canadian citizenship so his allegiance would be only to this country.

If his parents listed him only as Canadian and not American, then he would have to be naturalized later as an American when he came here, just like any person from another country could come here and go through the process to become a naturalized citizen.

I won’t get into that “natural born” citizenship argument. One of these days, Cruz will make a statement that will clear this up. I certainly believe he will tell the truth as truth seems to be a virtue he has. If he is a naturalized citizen, we lose the best candidate for president we could have.


43 posted on 07/21/2013 6:13:40 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Timber Rattler

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, December 22, 1970, to a US citizen mother and a Cuban citizen father. He is a natural born citizen of Canada (Canadian Citizenship Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. C-19, s. 5(1,3)) and a naturalized US citizen (8 U.S.C. § 1401(g))


44 posted on 07/21/2013 6:13:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

The act of naturalization or its date are irrelevant. A person either is or is not a natural born citizen at birth.


45 posted on 07/21/2013 6:14:17 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: thackney

“State Department says born of US parents on foreign soil is a US citizen.”

A U.S. Citizen can’t become president anymore according Article 2 Section 1 but a natural born Citizen born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. can. Only at the time of the adoption of the Constitution could a Citizen become a president.

Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


46 posted on 07/21/2013 6:15:20 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Irrelevant, Cruz is a US Citizen. Now cut this crap out.


47 posted on 07/21/2013 6:15:36 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
More info at:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock if the child is the genetic issue of the married couple.

48 posted on 07/21/2013 6:16:09 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

My wife and I, both born in the US of A, were in Argentina when my daughter was born.

We filed a Consular Report of Birth Abroad - the notice of a US citizen born abroad with the US Embassy, and got a US passport for her as a baby to come into the states with.

She also had an Argentine birth certificate, identity card and passport, of course.

Since age 18 she has had the option of renouncing her Argentine citizenship and being a single national.

Were she to travel to Argentina, and were she to have been a male, she would have immediately been subject to conscription into the Argentine military, without performing said renunciation.

Even having a single parent who is a US citizen establishes US citizenship at birth.

BUT the natural born citizenship concept, taken to mean a US citizen at birth and with NO divided loyalty (e.g. both parents US citizens at the very least) has been pretty well demolished by recent events, it appears.

But a naturalized citizen, at least, who was not a citizen at birth, would be excluded from running for the presidency, it would seem.


49 posted on 07/21/2013 6:17:48 PM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Ray76

“Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, December 22, 1970, to a US citizen mother and a Cuban citizen father. He is a natural born citizen of Canada (Canadian Citizenship Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. C-19, s. 5(1,3)) and a naturalized US citizen (8 U.S.C. § 1401(g))”

Good factual educational post Ray.


50 posted on 07/21/2013 6:18:06 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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