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Panama finds MiG fighter jets on N. Korean arms ship
MSN News ^ | 7/21/2013 | Lomi Kriel

Posted on 07/22/2013 1:16:33 PM PDT by RainMan

Investigators in Panama have found two MiG-21 fighter jets in cargo containers aboard a North Korean ship carrying weapons from Cuba.

COLON, Panama — Panamanian investigators unloading the cargo of a seized North Korean ship that carried arms from Cuba have found the two MiG-21 fighter jets the Cuban government had said were on board, the government said Sunday.

Alongside the two supersonic planes, originally produced by the Soviet Union in the late 1950s, officials found two missile radar systems on board the Chong Chon Gang, President Ricardo Martinelli told reporters in the Atlantic port of Colón.

The discovery, which included cables and electrical equipment, was made inside containers on the ship Panama had feared might contain explosive material. None was found.

After stopping the vessel bound for North Korea last week, Panama revealed it had found weapons in the cargo hold late Monday. In response, Cuba said the shipment contained a range of "obsolete" arms being sent to North Korea for repair.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cuba; fighter; mig21; migs; nkship; northkorea; notbreakingnews; panama; smuggle
Well ... isn't this special.
1 posted on 07/22/2013 1:16:33 PM PDT by RainMan
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To: RainMan

Gee, how big is this ship?!? They’ve been searching it for days and are still finding things as big as planes hidden on it.


2 posted on 07/22/2013 1:18:01 PM PDT by apillar
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To: RainMan
Panama
3 posted on 07/22/2013 1:18:22 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: RainMan

two sugar coated MiG-21 fighter jets


4 posted on 07/22/2013 1:18:46 PM PDT by molson209
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To: RainMan

Y’ know...
I bet they could get pretty good money for MiGs from aviation enthusiasts. Who wouldn’t want their own supersonic fighter?


5 posted on 07/22/2013 1:19:55 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: RainMan

The sugar was worth more.............


6 posted on 07/22/2013 1:21:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: apillar

Like a big box of Cracker Jacks...............

7 posted on 07/22/2013 1:22:46 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

Seriesly!

MiG fighters from the 1950’s?
Yah...you betcha. They’re not worth the sugar they were packed in.


8 posted on 07/22/2013 1:24:26 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: apillar
Since it was in an 8' wide cargo container, it was as big as a plane. More likes parts of a plane.

Those containers were hidden in a bulk section buried under bags of sugar.

And just because it was recently announced doesn't mean it was just found today....

9 posted on 07/22/2013 1:25:20 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Little Ray
I bet they could get pretty good money for MiGs from aviation enthusiasts. Who wouldn’t want their own supersonic fighter?

From my limited understanding, it's not the purchase price of ex-Soviet supersonic aircraft that's expensive, rather it's fuel and maintenance costs. Many of these came onto the market following the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellites. There is one MIG 21 for sale right now for $79,500.

10 posted on 07/22/2013 1:27:31 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: thackney

I take it that’s the refueling probe with a protective device on it.


11 posted on 07/22/2013 1:30:28 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What was your purpose in directing me to that link?


12 posted on 07/22/2013 1:31:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Sooth2222

Yes. I bet the fuel and maintenance for a MiG-21 would be fiendishly expensive. And, fun as it might be, the cruising speed of a MiG would be no faster than an airliner; and the range is short - no coast to coast commuting!


13 posted on 07/22/2013 1:32:54 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: RainMan

First flight
14 February 1955 (Ye-2)

Introduction
1959 (MiG-21F)


14 posted on 07/22/2013 1:32:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Tipline for Zimmerman's Inquisition is: Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov ... Use it.)
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To: RainMan

Well, I did order a Fishbed with my last Mosin Nagant, without the sugar.


15 posted on 07/22/2013 1:34:17 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: RainMan

About the only use for a Mig 21 would be as a human guided cruise missile.


16 posted on 07/22/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: RainMan

What? Again? They just had ship before that was stopped.


17 posted on 07/22/2013 1:56:57 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer
What? Again? They just had ship before that was stopped.

Are you accusing the Panamanians of profiling? Or are they stopping other ships than those on the cuba-NK route? Inquiring minds and all that...

18 posted on 07/22/2013 2:01:59 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

“About the only use for a Mig 21 would be as a human guided cruise missile.”

We have a winner, folks....


19 posted on 07/22/2013 2:12:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Yep I think your right.


20 posted on 07/22/2013 2:15:32 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 The land of entitlement for the 51% crowd.)
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To: RainMan
B L O C K A D E ...... C U B A!!!
21 posted on 07/22/2013 2:35:33 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: F15Eagle

Hmmm... so planes wear prophylactics on their “probes” too, eh?


22 posted on 07/22/2013 2:53:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Uncle Miltie
If it was from Coobaa, that MiG-21 was probably one of a group of late-model MiG-21 PFM's ("Fishbed Juliette") that were shipped to the Cubans by the Soviets about 1971/2.
23 posted on 07/22/2013 3:14:52 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: RainMan

No wonder the captain tried to commit suicide when they searched the ship.


24 posted on 07/22/2013 5:45:59 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; LS; kristinn

What most people are missing, because they are stupid, is that this is all part of the current Spy Games.

MiGs, you see, aren’t a banned munition or armament. Heck, civilians can purchase them on the open market without so much as a permit.

In fact, everything on that old rust bucket NK ship...packed in sugar (the irony of which our CIA will never grasp because our CIA is stupid)...is legal.

Now, the fact that everything on the NK ship is legal won’t, at first, mean anything to most Americans.

...but here’s the deal:

#1: the Russian FSB pranked our CIA two weeks ago by leaking that Snowden was on the Bolivian President’s airplane. Except, he wasn’t. And after publicly stating that he wouldn’t down aircraft to get Snowden, 0bama tried doing exactly that. The Bolivian President’s jet was re-routed and ordered to land in Europe where it was inspected against the diplomatic protests of Bolivia’s President! Embarrassing.

To this day our stupid CIA still doesn’t get the joke.

#2: the Russian FSB leaked that this NK rustbucket ship was carrying long-range missiles for North Korea. Except, it wasn’t. Instead of banned missile tech, it was packed with half-century old junk.

To this day our stupid CIA still doesn’t get this joke, either. Embarrassing.

#3: in two more weeks, the Russian FSB will prank our CIA again...and our stupid CIA will fall for it. Again.

This will continue until *finally* someone in the CIA or NSA realizes that some of their data-mining (e.g. PRISM, PRIIMUS, others) is being spoofed for sport.

Until then it will be diplomatic faux pas after FUBAR after faux pas after FUBAR internationally for the U.S.

...because our CIA is stupid.

Embarrassing.


25 posted on 07/22/2013 5:46:01 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

You only said that because it is true. It is hard to watch our nation die.


26 posted on 07/22/2013 6:38:39 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Southack

Truthspeaker bump!


27 posted on 07/22/2013 8:01:10 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Don Corleone
I wonder when they will find the cyanide ampules that MUST be on that illegal cargo ship for each North Korean soul who rode on it.

In the event something like this happened and they were compromised.

Their SOP is mass suicide when corner, caught or arrested. Like the man/woman pair of bombers on KAL some years ago, only she apparantly did not bite down hard enough and Bahrain officials could wrestle the cyanide laced tobacco out of her mouth in time...it only left a burn mark.

I would take away any DPRK cigarettes from the crew and have them searched from head to toe, and put in Panamanic prison garb, to prevent any suicides. Eventually one of them will "talk". Some enticement money could see to that. I wonder how savvy Panama is to these "realities". Perhaps somebody should tell them.

28 posted on 07/22/2013 9:38:26 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: Sooth2222

I think Red Bull had a MiG.


29 posted on 07/22/2013 9:39:33 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

>>>>Seriesly!

MiG fighters from the 1950’s?
Yah...you betcha. They’re not worth the sugar they were packed in.<<<<<

With proper avionics suite and good missiles it is still a match for F-16s, especially older versions.


30 posted on 07/23/2013 4:18:52 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

As a fighter, it’s not worth much. As a manned cruise missile delivering a nuke/chem/bio package...


31 posted on 07/23/2013 4:28:49 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Hold the pig steady)
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