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Landing Gear Comes Off Southwest Jet At LaGuardia Airport
business insider ^ | July 22, 2013

Posted on 07/22/2013 3:17:48 PM PDT by SMGFan

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To: SMGFan

I can’t be the only one wondering how many meteorite worshippers comprise our nation’s aircraft mechanics and maintenance personnel?


51 posted on 07/22/2013 4:09:52 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

You’re not. That was my first thought: sabotage. Then Occam led me to incompetence.


52 posted on 07/22/2013 4:11:54 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: txhurl

The weight on the nose remains during T/O until around 100kts or so when they rotate - when landing, the nose gear is the last to touch down (or supposed to). Can’t tell from the pictures if the plane is on the rwy or taxiway.


53 posted on 07/22/2013 4:12:55 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: txhurl

Not that SW is incompetent: they’re the best example of an Airline ever. Nothing but love here.


54 posted on 07/22/2013 4:13:48 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: SkyDancer

The weight on the nose remains during T/O until around 100kts or so when they rotate -


True, but the gear is in ‘straight’ position on TO and landing. It looks like the fail was with the left taxi turn, when the gear got all the weight on its right side, and it crumpled.


55 posted on 07/22/2013 4:17:23 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: SMGFan

Does Southwest send their fleet to 3rd world hellpits for cutrate maintenance?


56 posted on 07/22/2013 4:17:44 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Gamecock

In case you missed it, George Zimmerman saved someone from a truck accident.


57 posted on 07/22/2013 4:18:53 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: A.A. Cunningham

HOLY S—T!!!!

Look at those prices!!


58 posted on 07/22/2013 4:19:43 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: txhurl

Okay - can’t tell from the picture if it was in a turn. Looks like it was going straight. Did they say it was turning?


59 posted on 07/22/2013 4:20:14 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SMGFan

Noh Tse Weil Gung


60 posted on 07/22/2013 4:22:24 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama lies, smokes, blasphemes, eats pork, reads your mail, eavesdrops and drinks during Ramadan)
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To: Doogle

Oopsie.....


61 posted on 07/22/2013 4:24:50 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

I know. And it has already been reported they were white.


62 posted on 07/22/2013 4:28:57 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: SkyDancer

63 posted on 07/22/2013 4:29:10 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Gamecock

Sioux City.

Of course.

Cpts. Haynes and Fitch

Wow


64 posted on 07/22/2013 4:29:42 PM PDT by stanne
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To: txhurl

Appears the plane is on a taxiway and was turning to go to the gate. One poster said that some maintenance guy didn’t fully tighten something on the gear. Amazing that it didn’t collapse on T/O but as you say, the weight came fully down on it during a turn.


65 posted on 07/22/2013 4:31:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Use ctl + to zoom in. Looks like they were making a 90o left turn.


66 posted on 07/22/2013 4:32:01 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: txhurl

Did and yep, looks like it was turning left.


67 posted on 07/22/2013 4:34:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

If it had collapsed on landing... Thank You, Lord! for that last bit of tensile strength!


68 posted on 07/22/2013 4:42:13 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I didn’t realize those planes used self-serve fueling.


69 posted on 07/22/2013 4:47:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

70 posted on 07/22/2013 4:47:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: TurboZamboni
"George Zimmerman saved all on board."

And, was immediately arrested.

71 posted on 07/22/2013 4:47:53 PM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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To: Gamecock
Crash landed it with NO flight controls

How???

72 posted on 07/22/2013 4:51:07 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: cicero2k
Still no passengers killed.

If you don't count Jonathan Burton.

Name any airline that mentions lack of fatalities in their advertising?

73 posted on 07/22/2013 4:54:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: SkyDancer
One poster said that some maintenance guy didn’t fully tighten something on the gear.

Uninformed speculation.


74 posted on 07/22/2013 4:57:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Rebelbase
I didn’t realize those planes used self-serve fueling.

I was boarding (PSA, IIRC) and I noticed a credit card in a plastic pocket on the inside of the cockpit door, I asked the pilot if that was how they paid for the fuel.

"Yup," he says, "just like in the movie."...

75 posted on 07/22/2013 4:57:46 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: OwenKellogg

Here is a guy that does a good job.


76 posted on 07/22/2013 4:57:47 PM PDT by MCF
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To: null and void

Throttle manipulation.


77 posted on 07/22/2013 4:58:21 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

lol


78 posted on 07/22/2013 4:59:24 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Ah, yes I remember now, they could only go straight or turn in one direction. Cartwheeled on landing. Still managed to have many survivors.


79 posted on 07/22/2013 5:00:01 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
"In case you missed it, George Zimmerman saved someone from a truck accident."

And was immediately arrested.

80 posted on 07/22/2013 5:00:18 PM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Uninformed speculation.


Until the NTSB issues a presser, that’s all that can be done.

This is a mechanical miracle.


81 posted on 07/22/2013 5:03:29 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

*snicker*


82 posted on 07/22/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Throttle manipulation."

Sounds kinda' obscene. Kinda'.....<8^)

83 posted on 07/22/2013 5:08:09 PM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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To: txhurl
that’s all that can be done.

Incorrect. Waiting for the investigation to be conducted and not speculating can be done. That option isn't part of the modus operandi for a certain cabal of people.

84 posted on 07/22/2013 5:08:10 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: txhurl
Taking off doesn’t stress landing gear like landing does.

Here is some serious landing gear about to be stressed:

That's the Antonov 225 Mriya.

85 posted on 07/22/2013 5:08:22 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: SMGFan

Pilot error, right? Man, I just have when the wheels fall off like that.


86 posted on 07/22/2013 5:11:01 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

OK so don’t post threads about aviation near-disasters and nobody will pontificate on them. Problem solved.

I was laying down, thinking through it, the craft would have done 2-3 head-over-heels if that gear failed on landing. No survivors.


87 posted on 07/22/2013 5:33:35 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: null and void
Using nothing but the throttles on the two remaining engines.

Forgive my layman`s terminology, but basically throttle down left to turn left. Throttle down right to turn right. Throttle down both to descend.

Wiki, which I know is suspect, has a pretty good description of what happened.

88 posted on 07/22/2013 5:35:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I subscribe to the NTSB Reporter - they’ll have the conclusion as to what happened.


89 posted on 07/22/2013 5:36:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Ahh, come on. What is FR without a dash of uninformed speculation?


90 posted on 07/22/2013 5:37:41 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

Right? like we’re a bunch of ambulance chasers trying to get rich?

What’s astonishing about this story is the gear had *just* enough integrity to land @~75mph. It was so stressed it collapsed on a 5mph left turn 3 minutes later.


91 posted on 07/22/2013 5:50:47 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: cynwoody
That's true to some extent, but the greatest risk comes form the number of cycles ( landings and take-off) on the airframe..

That Antonov, which is used for long haul flights..probably averages 600 or so cycles/year..whereas a puddle jumper like the Southwest Boeing might do 2000+/year.

Remember way back when the top of the Hawaii Air fuselage came off in mid-air...it was metal fatigue...because that plane did nothing but inter-island hops..IIRC it had over 20,000 cycles.

92 posted on 07/22/2013 6:12:21 PM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: neverdem; Nachum; SunkenCiv; EODGUY; A.A. Cunningham

Hey!!!

He only “Loosed One Turn” all right..... Of the wrong bolt.


93 posted on 07/22/2013 6:28:20 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Throttle manipulation.

An incredible story. Best of all, it's true.
94 posted on 07/22/2013 6:59:06 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: OwenKellogg

“As an expert, I can verify that it makes it hard to taxi to the gate.”

An indication that one has forgotten to lower the gear is that it takes full power to taxi.


95 posted on 07/22/2013 7:39:45 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: txhurl

“... thinking through it, the craft would have done 2-3 head-over-heels if that gear failed on landing.”

No it wouldn’t.


96 posted on 07/22/2013 7:49:13 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: ken5050
Remember way back when the top of the Hawaii Air fuselage came off in mid-air...it was metal fatigue...because that plane did nothing but inter-island hops..IIRC it had over 20,000 cycles.

Yes. I would have to say, Aloha Airlines Flight 243 ranks at the top of the list of bizarre airplane accidents.

95 took off. 94 landed safely. Flight Attendant Clarabelle Lansing was the only fatality; she was swept from her fifth-row seat, and her body was never found. She was a veteran flight attendant of 37 years at the time of the accident. Remember to keep seat belts fastened.

97 posted on 07/22/2013 10:46:51 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: SamAdams76

Ho Lee Fuk!


98 posted on 07/22/2013 10:49:47 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: A.A. Cunningham
If you don't count Jonathan Burton.

A rule-proving exception, I would say. From the Wikipedia:

Southwest Airlines Flight 1763 was a scheduled passenger flight, operated by Southwest Airlines, from McCarran International Airport, in Las Vegas, Nevada, to Salt Lake City International Airport, in Salt Lake City, Utah. On August 11, 2000, Jonathan Burton, a Las Vegas resident, stormed the cockpit door of the Boeing 737 operating the flight, in an apparent case of air rage. The 19-year-old was subdued by eight other passengers with the help of others and with such force that he died of asphyxiation.[1] The death was initially believed to have been a heart attack.

Starting the following year, cockpit doors got beefed up.

99 posted on 07/22/2013 10:57:32 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Yaelle

Welcome!

100 posted on 07/22/2013 11:00:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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