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Shutdown looms over ObamaCare
thehill.com ^ | 07/23/13 05:00 AM ET | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 07/23/2013 9:12:12 AM PDT by 80sReaganite

ObamaCare is at the center of a rapidly escalating fight that threatens to shut the government down this fall.

Republicans have tried this maneuver in Obama’s first term, only to back off later to the chagrin of Tea Party leaders.

This time, GOP lawmakers are emboldened by problems plaguing the administration’s ObamaCare implementation.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; abortion; bloggers; boehner; braking; deathpanels; doomedtofail; dumbidea; gopdoesntlearn; governmentshutdown; mcconnell; obamacare; shutdown; stupidparty; zerocare
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They don't have the cojones...
1 posted on 07/23/2013 9:12:12 AM PDT by 80sReaganite
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To: 80sReaganite

This WOULD be perfect timing for the 2014 elections


2 posted on 07/23/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

GOP will cave again..guaranteed.


3 posted on 07/23/2013 9:15:48 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: 80sReaganite
Right!

I lost all confidence in them and they are doing nothing to rehabilitate their image.

Now, I just think of them (all of them) as a crowd of poseurs and thieves.

4 posted on 07/23/2013 9:16:50 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: Col Frank Slade
GOP will cave again..guaranteed.

What gives you that idea? Just because something has happened every single time in the past does not necessarily mean that it will happen this time.

Maybe the sun won't rise in the morning. Maybe this time socialism will work. Maybe this time the RINOs won't cave.

5 posted on 07/23/2013 9:18:31 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 80sReaganite

Shut ‘er down. In every game there’s a moment of opportunity. This is it.


6 posted on 07/23/2013 9:18:39 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

CALL BOEHNER AND MCCONNELL!!!!
This is our LAST CHANCE and they’d BETTER GET IT RIGHT!!!!!


7 posted on 07/23/2013 9:21:03 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: 80sReaganite
There is no threat here. Obama isn't going to shut the government down no matter what happens. Bernanke will still be handing cash over to the Treasury, and Obama will continue to spend it no matter what happens. So the Republicans need to wake up and act accordingly. Stop being afraid of the Democrats. Stand on principle. Do that, and the people will stand with you.

(See: Scott Walker)

8 posted on 07/23/2013 9:22:30 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Col Frank Slade

The GOP castrati will be singing in soprano harmony long before Traitorobamacare is threatened.


9 posted on 07/23/2013 9:25:00 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I would bet that the sun won't rise in the morning. I would bet that the sun will rise in the west. I would bet that maybe socialism will work this time before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the law of gravity could be repealed before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. Been burned too many times to be fooled with that one again.

As the adage goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

10 posted on 07/23/2013 9:25:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: 80sReaganite

It’ll make Boehner’s job too difficult - freakin’ RINO he is.


11 posted on 07/23/2013 9:28:09 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Starboard
Shut'er down ...

Unfortunately, that's a good idea.

From another thread, here's a thought from me.

...

In a way, I'm glad that Chief Justice Roberts let ObamaCare ride on.

Roberts' reasoning was essentially that the Supreme Court doesn't make law.

And so, the makers of the insidious law known as ObamaCare ... a Democrat President, a Democrat dominated Senate, and a Democrat dominated House should be ... will be forever responsible for the MESS they created.

12 posted on 07/23/2013 9:28:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: sport
I would bet that the sun won't rise in the morning. I would bet that the sun will rise in the west. I would bet that maybe socialism will work this time before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the law of gravity could be repealed before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. Been burned too many times to be fooled with that one again.

Wow. Your post is super ultra defeatist. Probably the most defeatist I've seen yet (and I've seen a bunch).

You get the medal.

Congratulations.

13 posted on 07/23/2013 9:31:00 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 80sReaganite

Normally I would say shutdowns are losing propositions. Gingrich clearly lost to Clinton. But given the reason behind this, Obama’s unconstitutional actions in deciding which parts of the law he’ll follow, then I say for the GOP this is the hill to take or die trying. Shut it Down!!!


14 posted on 07/23/2013 9:34:51 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: 80sReaganite

The GOP will cave, as they are worried that being too hard on Obamacare will cost them Hispanic votes.


15 posted on 07/23/2013 9:36:29 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Col Frank Slade

“GOP will cave again..guaranteed.”

I’d like to disagree with you............

but I can’t - I am afraid that you are right


16 posted on 07/23/2013 9:38:21 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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(Brilliant Neurosurgeon) Dr. Ben Carson: 'This Is the Beginning of the Collapse' of Obamacare
NEWSMAX ^ | 16 Jul 2013 | Greg Richter / FR Posted by george76

Delaying implementation of key parts of the healthcare law and losing the support of labor unions are just the beginning of trouble for Obamacare, says Dr. Ben Carson. "It's gonna be a lot worse than this. This is the beginning of the collapse," the retired Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon said on Fox News Channel's "Your World" on Tuesday. "Usually when you roll out a big program, you roll it out bit by bit. You determine what's working. You can change things," Carson said. "But to try to roll out something this massive without really knowing what the intricacies are is quite foolish." (Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...

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Only the deranged twisted mind of a progressive could have dreamed up the h'care mess.

As FReeper Lou L wrote: Shows the mess Ohaha created, and why the WH apparatchiks cannot make it work more than three years after its passage.

Each "box" represents huge organizational beauracracies with people stumbling over themselves; each "arrow" represents hundreds and thousands of information requests and transfers. Those interfaces will have some common calls, but they'll have to be customized to fit each carrier's system and customizations. It seems as though a lot is being left off the "health plan" -- all the costs, all the restrictions, have to be passed along as well.

The thousands of "Navigators"---govt-issue clerks--will offer you "guidance/" And that online calculator...does it tell you how much you're being soaked now, rather than before the saving grace of O'care?=======================================================

Amazingly the lower Rube Goldberg chart is supposed to "simplify and explain" O'care......designed by a consultant group paid to assist in the process of getting states to create exchanges (the ones that interface with 60,000 IRS agents, the strongarm HHS, and an assortment of know-nothing snoopy federal agencies).

17 posted on 07/23/2013 9:38:28 AM PDT by Liz
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To: OldNavyVet
Roberts' reasoning was essentially that the Supreme Court doesn't make law.

But the Supreme Court is duty-bound to strike down unconstitutional law, which DeathCare clearly is. I am tired of judges being too clever by half.

18 posted on 07/23/2013 9:38:43 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy; Col Frank Slade

More Doom and Gloom negativity.


19 posted on 07/23/2013 9:40:03 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: OldNavyVet

This herein lies the problem. If the GOP defunds, doesn’t it become a GOP problem?


20 posted on 07/23/2013 9:41:14 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: FreeReign
Thank you. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words do not hurt me.

Deconstruct the argument that the Republicans have not caved to the Democrats when it mattered. Post facts as to where and when they stood up to the Democrats on issues and sent them running off with their tail between their legs. Cite chapter and verse. Name calling won' get you anywhere with me.

Just for your edification here is one example: Bill Clinton was President. Congress passed a bill forbidding partial birth abortion. Clinton vetoed it. The Senate overrode his veto and sent it to the House. It came down to one vote as to whether Clinton's veto would be sustained or overrode. A Republican cast the deciding vote to sustain it. That was one of many.

21 posted on 07/23/2013 9:42:51 AM PDT by sport
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To: 80sReaganite

The last thing we need to do is to stop Obamacare from happening. This is stupid.

Let the people have what they voted for. Rub their noses in it.


22 posted on 07/23/2013 9:45:24 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: 80sReaganite

For every action there is a reaction. How will the Democrats hurt the military as a result of not getting their way? How much danger/damage will they create just to blame the Republicans? (It works. That’s why they do it.)


23 posted on 07/23/2013 9:45:37 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 80sReaganite
"Shutdown looms over ObamaCare"



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24 posted on 07/23/2013 9:49:30 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 80sReaganite

Boehner caves in 5...4...3...


25 posted on 07/23/2013 9:50:31 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Gen.Blather

To both questions: All they can. The only ones they won’t is their parasites. But if obamacare gets funded again, its all over but the crying.


26 posted on 07/23/2013 9:51:07 AM PDT by sport
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To: Perdogg
If the GOP defunds, doesn’t it become a GOP problem?

Yup. And, according to the Rats in the MSM, it's already the GOP's fault it's a trainwreck.

27 posted on 07/23/2013 9:53:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: FreeReign
Wow. Your post is super ultra defeatist. Probably the most defeatist I've seen yet (and I've seen a bunch).

It is not defeatist. It is realistic.

Do you remember the "government shut down" in the 1990s? The entire media went into blame Republicans mode. After a couple of days, the Republicans caved.

Now give me an example of when the Republicans have threatened to cut spending and not caved? Obama's sequester does not count. The only "cut" was a very slight decrease in the planned increase in spending. When slightly decreasing the planned rate of increase of spending counts as a cut, we are doomed.

28 posted on 07/23/2013 9:55:52 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Liz

Obamacare was never intended to work. It was designed to be the worst healthcare system imaginable so that the sheeple will beg for socialized medicine.


29 posted on 07/23/2013 9:57:54 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Prayer, positive thinking AND doing everything YOU can to turn the thinking of politicians who can make a difference is what we should be concentrating on, instead of saying this one or that one will cave, etc. Stop with the negativity and work toward a win in every way you can. Keep hitting the politicians with phone calls, emails, Tea Party presence and pressure. This mosaic we call socialism/communism/marxism is and will continue to crack IF we continue to do everything we can to apply pressure where it counts. Praise the Lord, and pass that ammunition of hard work and never let up the attack and the pressure...be like the left who never let go until they win, like a dog with a bone. Let us be the BIG DOGS in the fight and WIN it.
30 posted on 07/23/2013 10:00:02 AM PDT by itssme
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To: sport
Deconstruct the argument that the Republicans have not caved to the Democrats when it mattered.

Strawman fallacy.

I don't hold the position that Republicans havn't caved. I've been all over spineless Boehner on that very point.

But I also don't hold following position...

Look, I think we all know that the odds are long. But there really is no choice but to try to change things. To see post after post that pretty much says that it will never happen to me is defeatist.

31 posted on 07/23/2013 10:01:03 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Bubba_Leroy
It is not defeatist. It is realistic.

Disagree. Don't think the comment is question was realistic.

32 posted on 07/23/2013 10:02:18 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Colonel_Flagg
unconstitutional law

Please advise as to what makes Obamacare "uncontitutional law"

33 posted on 07/23/2013 10:11:22 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Bubba_Leroy

It is not defeatist. It is realistic.

Do you remember the “government shut down” in the 1990s? The entire media went into blame Republicans mode. After a couple of days, the Republicans caved.

Now give me an example of when the Republicans have threatened to cut spending and not caved? Obama’s sequester does not count. The only “cut” was a very slight decrease in the planned increase in spending. When slightly decreasing the planned rate of increase of spending counts as a cut, we are doomed.

of course you are right. does anybody have an example of anyone cutting anything ever?


34 posted on 07/23/2013 10:18:05 AM PDT by willywill
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To: FreeReign

I pray that you are right and I am proven wrong.


35 posted on 07/23/2013 10:19:20 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 80sReaganite

Now who is chasing unicorns and skittles...?


36 posted on 07/23/2013 10:22:30 AM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: OldNavyVet
Please advise as to what makes Obamacare "uncontitutional law"

Some of the reasons are set out in the dissenting opinion in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. Unfortunately, the Constitution says whatever 5 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices say it says so, at least for the time being, the majority opinion controls.

Round two will be whether the forced funding of abortion violates the free exercise of religion.

37 posted on 07/23/2013 10:29:55 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 80sReaganite

Seems like a real dog and pony show, repeat after me the GOP doesn’t have the guts to shut down this monstrosity.


38 posted on 07/23/2013 10:31:15 AM PDT by erod (I'm a Chicagoan till Chicago ends...)
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To: 80sReaganite

Shut it down!!! SHUT IT DOWN!!! With the government in park, it can not do evil.


39 posted on 07/23/2013 11:01:35 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: BlueStateRightist

They don’t want to lose the illegal alien and the cemetary vote.


40 posted on 07/23/2013 11:15:28 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: BlueStateRightist
The GOP will cave, as they are worried that being too hard on Obamacare will cost them Hispanic votes.

Maybe they should be more worried about the Whitey vote.

41 posted on 07/23/2013 11:18:53 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Round two will be whether the forced funding of abortion violates the free exercise of religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, ..."

Ayn Rand writes ...

"One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former is unspeakable."

42 posted on 07/23/2013 11:19:22 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: 80sReaganite

Nevermind the Congress.

You want it gone. Shutdown business.

General strike!

Food, gas, electric, oil. The works


43 posted on 07/23/2013 11:35:32 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: 80sReaganite

Boner and McCornhole will cave. Nothing to see here. Move on.


44 posted on 07/23/2013 11:41:49 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 80sReaganite

Yeah yeah yeah....

Call me when it really happens.


45 posted on 07/23/2013 11:46:09 AM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: Col Frank Slade
GOP will cave again..guaranteed.

The surest lock in the history of gambling.

46 posted on 07/23/2013 11:48:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: 80sReaganite
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS FOR ONE SECOND.

This is more Zero propaganda to turn eveyrone against the GOP and take back the House in 2014, setting the stage for COMPLETION OF CLOWN'S COMMIE TRANSFORMATION IN 2015-2016.

47 posted on 07/23/2013 12:00:43 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 80sReaganite
No question.

I'm done being their battered wife.

48 posted on 07/23/2013 12:13:34 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Cyber Liberty
Yup. And, according to the Rats in the MSM, it's already the GOP's fault it's a trainwreck.

And since Americans get their news from the MSM, then the GOP should go for broke. What do they have to lose if they are already being blamed? We don't refer to the GOP as the STUPID PARTY for nothing.
49 posted on 07/23/2013 12:22:12 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: pollywog

The Republicans should say:

“We’re not shutting the government down; we’re shutting Obamacare down.”


50 posted on 07/23/2013 12:33:20 PM PDT by Starboard
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