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Shutdown looms over ObamaCare
thehill.com ^ | 07/23/13 05:00 AM ET | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 07/23/2013 9:12:12 AM PDT by 80sReaganite

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To: Starboard
The Republicans should say:
“We’re not shutting the government down; we’re shutting Obamacare down.”

That would be too sensible...the Repubs will do no such thing.

51 posted on 07/23/2013 12:56:16 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: 80sReaganite

Alexander Bolton

Experience

The Hill
Staff Writer

Education

Princeton University
A.B., Philosophy
1994 – 1998

52 posted on 07/23/2013 1:40:10 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: pollywog

Why call them? To make sure they’re going to cave?


53 posted on 07/23/2013 2:09:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: 80sReaganite

54 posted on 07/23/2013 2:24:58 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Starboard

55 posted on 07/23/2013 2:27:38 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Bubba_Leroy

And maybe Justin Bieber will grow testicles.


56 posted on 07/23/2013 2:30:53 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Bingo we have a winner! Single payer is the target.


57 posted on 07/23/2013 2:33:03 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 80sReaganite

“They don’t have the cojones...”

I must respectfully disagree. It isn’t a matter of not having the courage of their convictions, its not having the convictions in the first place. The gop wing of the uniparty is not going to stop or even slow down the implementation of owebamacare. They’ll let it go into practice ASAP for a few reasons:

1. The gop wing of the uniparty would lose an important issue that they can posture and jawbone over for eternity. If you actually solve a problem, you can’t continue to milk it.
2. The cronies of the gop wing of the uniparty profit from owebamacare. It’s the insurance companies that win with mandatory coverage. The gop doesn’t object to forced purchase of insurance per se, so long as their faction gets their share of the boodle. And they will.
3. The gop wing of the uniparty is happy as can be to obtain the personal data that is required under owebamacare.


58 posted on 07/23/2013 2:44:25 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (GOTS: Food, water, guns, ammo, useful skills, cash, and precious metals.)
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To: Mr. K

There would be NO overspending default possible if the funding for obamaumao care was withdrawn. Immediate cost savings and removal of any ceiling being reached, out years or in. All this takes... ALL this takes is the Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz answer— the President violates the Constitution to not fully enforce the new law? Well, then Congress will not FUND the new law. The Purse...the People, and sell it to the People who do NOT want this monster.

Do they have it— is there any leadership. Cut out the lobbies, cut out the mexican government, cut out the cost shifting international corporatists. Free the People, and take a Stand!


59 posted on 07/23/2013 3:10:25 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 80sReaganite

I think everyone here knows the simple truth:

Monkeys will fly out of your arse, in formation, singing “Look For The Union Label”, before Odinga or any of his myrmidons are ever prevented from bringing about “fundamental transformation”.


60 posted on 07/23/2013 4:06:25 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: FreeReign

I totally agree with him.


61 posted on 07/23/2013 4:07:15 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk
I totally agree with him.

It captured well the general FreeRepublic circa 2013 feeling of utter hopelessness, didn't it.

Meanwhile some such as Sen. Mike Lee soldier on despite the long odds.

From the article:


62 posted on 07/23/2013 4:50:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 80sReaganite

It’s all for show.
The pubbies are frozen in the NSA PRISM data file because they’re all dirty except for a couple of em.
They can, and will, only do what odongo tells, or allows them to do. We only have one political party in this country now.


63 posted on 07/23/2013 5:13:00 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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64 posted on 07/23/2013 5:25:30 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: Liz

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65 posted on 07/23/2013 5:30:37 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: OldNavyVet

It’s been all over this site for several years now. Feel free to search.

If you think the government requiring people to purchase anything from anyone under penalty of law is constitutional, you’re welcome to believe that. I suspect you’ll be in the minority on this site, though.


66 posted on 07/23/2013 6:14:57 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: 80sReaganite

Oh great, first a furlough, now the looming possibility of a government shutdown. Will be going from a 20% pay cut to a 100% pay cut!


67 posted on 07/23/2013 6:37:52 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: FreeReign
From the article:

.............Congress in recent years has regularly passed stopgap spending measures known as “continuing resolutions” to keep the federal government running beyond the end of the fiscal year. This has been necessary because lawmakers now routinely fail to finish their appropriations work by the Sept. 30 deadline. This year, the expiration of laws appropriating government funding coincides with the start of open enrollment for healthcare exchanges set up by the Affordable Care Act.

"An aide to Lee said Republicans won’t be blamed for a shutdown because they will offer legislation to fund all other government operations except for those necessary to establish the new healthcare law.

“This is going to be the litmus test of whether you do or do not support ObamaCare,” said Brian Phillips, Lee’s spokesman."..................

I say let's do it!
68 posted on 07/23/2013 7:01:56 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: 80sReaganite
Republicans will cave...and not for the reasons most think.

ObamaCare has nothing to do with health care. It is meant to be a new Federal government "trust fund" to take over the self-issuance of US Treasury securities that Social Security and Medicare used to provide. Both of those "trust funds" now have more outlays than receipts.

The Republicans will cave because their leadership knows that the monetary Ponzi scheme needs to keep going in this nation, or we fall headlong into the Greater Depression.

This is the same reason Republicans will continue allowing the Federal deficit to balloon. They're scared of what's coming - not just in the US, but world-wide.

69 posted on 07/23/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: 80sReaganite
MISDIRECTION ALERT

Do NOT take your eyes off immigration. They plan to occupy the news cycle while they slip through amnesty.

Then they will back down on "shutting down" the government.

70 posted on 07/23/2013 7:49:56 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: 80sReaganite

Oh please! The fix is already in, just like it is with Amnesty.

I despise the GOPe! I will never vote for another RINO...ever!


71 posted on 07/23/2013 8:38:15 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: OldNavyVet

“a Democrat President, a Democrat dominated Senate, and a Democrat dominated House should be ... will be forever responsible for the MESS they created.”

But they never will be HELD responsible. Not with the corrupt, kneepad media we have now.


72 posted on 07/23/2013 9:06:58 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: 80sReaganite

Being in the corporate IT world, I’ve been hearing that the database systems required for obamacare will not be ready.


73 posted on 07/23/2013 10:20:35 PM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: willywill
does anybody have an example of anyone cutting anything ever?

NASA could help you with that one.

But I agree that it's the kind of exception that proves the rule.

74 posted on 07/23/2013 11:22:19 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: 80sReaganite

I wish they’d grow some


75 posted on 07/24/2013 6:25:00 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: OldNavyVet
Please advise as to what makes Obamacare "uncontitutional law"

Nowhere in Art 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution was power delegated to Congress or the Federal Government to have ANYTHING to do with health care. Therefore it is unconstitutional.

/johnny

76 posted on 07/24/2013 7:17:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Nowhere in Art 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution was power delegated to Congress or the Federal Government to have ANYTHING to do with health care. Therefore it is unconstitutional.

From Article I Section 8 we have ...

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States ..."

Given that, Chief Justice Roberts was ironically right in deciding that Congress has the constitutional power to give us Obamacare.

Message therein is that we age getting what we the people voted for.

77 posted on 07/24/2013 8:06:53 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

The ol’ “welfare” clause.

So, we are to give everyone money, houses, clothes, food, as well as doctors.

Wonder why the Founders themselves nor their descendents for some 6 generations never thought of all that nonsense that they supposedly wrote about.


78 posted on 07/24/2013 8:18:47 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: 80sReaganite

“Shutdown looms over ObamaCare”

One could only hope....


79 posted on 07/24/2013 8:19:52 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: 80sReaganite

SHUT ‘ER DOWN!!!


80 posted on 07/24/2013 8:30:07 PM PDT by Route395
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I’m not completely sure the Democrats wouldn’t welcome this.


81 posted on 07/25/2013 9:27:28 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Perdogg

yes.

And why save the rats from their own mess?

Promising what you cannot actually deliver on makes people more angry .

Republicans playing checkers again.(dems playing chess)


82 posted on 07/29/2013 3:52:43 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
But the Supreme Court is duty-bound to strike down unconstitutional law, which DeathCare clearly is.

I detest Obamacare and really wish the SC had nullified it, but in your view on what basis is it unconstitutional?

83 posted on 07/29/2013 4:11:50 PM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
If you think the government requiring people to purchase anything from anyone under penalty of law is constitutional, you’re welcome to believe that. I suspect you’ll be in the minority on this site, though.

First off, it's Constitutional because a majority of the SC says it is so. That doesn't mean we need to like it. The views of the people on this site are irrelevant to the discussion.

Secondly, the majority opinion very clearly says that the commerce clause in the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to force us to buy anything. That was actually a pretty significant victory for us and will be cited as precedent by our allies in future cases in which the federal government overreaches. What Roberts agreed with was that even though the government doesn't have the power to force us to buy something it does have the power under the taxing clause to tax us if we don't. Failing to buy insurance does not trigger any criminal sanctions, only the imposition of a fine, a tax in Robert's view.

The tax code is filled to the brim with tax incentives to encourage certain behavior. For example, Congress has decided it's a good idea to encourage folks to buy houses since it helps the economy, so the code provides us a deduction for mortgage interest paid on a home mortgage - thus, an incentive to engage in the desired behavior. Roberts was saying this is the exact flip side of that. The law as enacted wants to incentivize the purchase of health insurance so it taxes us for failure to do so. How is giving a tax benefit for something the government wants us to do any different that imposing a tax detriment for something the government doesn't want us to do, in this case not buying insurance?

I hate Obamacare and want it gone, but I cannot argue with Roberts' logic. (I'm a lawyer with a specialty in tax.) Even he said that he doesn't necessarily agree that Obamacare is a good idea from a policy perspective, but that it's a legislative not a Constitutional issue. So now it's time for the House to get some cojones and get rid of this atrocity by whatever means it can.

84 posted on 07/29/2013 4:39:27 PM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: KevinB

If you, with your legal background, can find any portion of the Constitution that says it’s all right for the government to force a private citizen to purchase anything under penalty of law, I’ll believe DeathCare is Constitutional.

Frankly I don’t care about Justice Roberts’ opinion. I think if you look around here, you’ll find the hoi polloi agrees with me.


85 posted on 07/29/2013 5:15:52 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Apparently, you didn’t read my post. Makes no difference. Fregards!


86 posted on 07/29/2013 5:17:37 PM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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