Skip to comments.Shutdown looms over ObamaCare
Posted on 07/23/2013 9:12:12 AM PDT by 80sReaganite
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That would be too sensible...the Repubs will do no such thing.
Why call them? To make sure they’re going to cave?
And maybe Justin Bieber will grow testicles.
Bingo we have a winner! Single payer is the target.
“They don’t have the cojones...”
I must respectfully disagree. It isn’t a matter of not having the courage of their convictions, its not having the convictions in the first place. The gop wing of the uniparty is not going to stop or even slow down the implementation of owebamacare. They’ll let it go into practice ASAP for a few reasons:
1. The gop wing of the uniparty would lose an important issue that they can posture and jawbone over for eternity. If you actually solve a problem, you can’t continue to milk it.
2. The cronies of the gop wing of the uniparty profit from owebamacare. It’s the insurance companies that win with mandatory coverage. The gop doesn’t object to forced purchase of insurance per se, so long as their faction gets their share of the boodle. And they will.
3. The gop wing of the uniparty is happy as can be to obtain the personal data that is required under owebamacare.
There would be NO overspending default possible if the funding for obamaumao care was withdrawn. Immediate cost savings and removal of any ceiling being reached, out years or in. All this takes... ALL this takes is the Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz answer— the President violates the Constitution to not fully enforce the new law? Well, then Congress will not FUND the new law. The Purse...the People, and sell it to the People who do NOT want this monster.
Do they have it— is there any leadership. Cut out the lobbies, cut out the mexican government, cut out the cost shifting international corporatists. Free the People, and take a Stand!
I think everyone here knows the simple truth:
Monkeys will fly out of your arse, in formation, singing Look For The Union Label, before Odinga or any of his myrmidons are ever prevented from bringing about “fundamental transformation”.
I totally agree with him.
It captured well the general FreeRepublic circa 2013 feeling of utter hopelessness, didn't it.
Meanwhile some such as Sen. Mike Lee soldier on despite the long odds.
From the article:
It’s all for show.
The pubbies are frozen in the NSA PRISM data file because they’re all dirty except for a couple of em.
They can, and will, only do what odongo tells, or allows them to do. We only have one political party in this country now.
It’s been all over this site for several years now. Feel free to search.
If you think the government requiring people to purchase anything from anyone under penalty of law is constitutional, you’re welcome to believe that. I suspect you’ll be in the minority on this site, though.
Oh great, first a furlough, now the looming possibility of a government shutdown. Will be going from a 20% pay cut to a 100% pay cut!
ObamaCare has nothing to do with health care. It is meant to be a new Federal government "trust fund" to take over the self-issuance of US Treasury securities that Social Security and Medicare used to provide. Both of those "trust funds" now have more outlays than receipts.
The Republicans will cave because their leadership knows that the monetary Ponzi scheme needs to keep going in this nation, or we fall headlong into the Greater Depression.
This is the same reason Republicans will continue allowing the Federal deficit to balloon. They're scared of what's coming - not just in the US, but world-wide.
Do NOT take your eyes off immigration. They plan to occupy the news cycle while they slip through amnesty.
Then they will back down on "shutting down" the government.
Oh please! The fix is already in, just like it is with Amnesty.
I despise the GOPe! I will never vote for another RINO...ever!
“a Democrat President, a Democrat dominated Senate, and a Democrat dominated House should be ... will be forever responsible for the MESS they created.”
But they never will be HELD responsible. Not with the corrupt, kneepad media we have now.
Being in the corporate IT world, I’ve been hearing that the database systems required for obamacare will not be ready.
NASA could help you with that one.
But I agree that it's the kind of exception that proves the rule.
I wish they’d grow some
Nowhere in Art 1, Sec 8 of the Constitution was power delegated to Congress or the Federal Government to have ANYTHING to do with health care. Therefore it is unconstitutional.
From Article I Section 8 we have ...
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States ..."
Given that, Chief Justice Roberts was ironically right in deciding that Congress has the constitutional power to give us Obamacare.
Message therein is that we age getting what we the people voted for.
The ol’ “welfare” clause.
So, we are to give everyone money, houses, clothes, food, as well as doctors.
Wonder why the Founders themselves nor their descendents for some 6 generations never thought of all that nonsense that they supposedly wrote about.
“Shutdown looms over ObamaCare”
One could only hope....
SHUT ‘ER DOWN!!!
I’m not completely sure the Democrats wouldn’t welcome this.
And why save the rats from their own mess?
Promising what you cannot actually deliver on makes people more angry .
Republicans playing checkers again.(dems playing chess)
I detest Obamacare and really wish the SC had nullified it, but in your view on what basis is it unconstitutional?
First off, it's Constitutional because a majority of the SC says it is so. That doesn't mean we need to like it. The views of the people on this site are irrelevant to the discussion.
Secondly, the majority opinion very clearly says that the commerce clause in the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to force us to buy anything. That was actually a pretty significant victory for us and will be cited as precedent by our allies in future cases in which the federal government overreaches. What Roberts agreed with was that even though the government doesn't have the power to force us to buy something it does have the power under the taxing clause to tax us if we don't. Failing to buy insurance does not trigger any criminal sanctions, only the imposition of a fine, a tax in Robert's view.
The tax code is filled to the brim with tax incentives to encourage certain behavior. For example, Congress has decided it's a good idea to encourage folks to buy houses since it helps the economy, so the code provides us a deduction for mortgage interest paid on a home mortgage - thus, an incentive to engage in the desired behavior. Roberts was saying this is the exact flip side of that. The law as enacted wants to incentivize the purchase of health insurance so it taxes us for failure to do so. How is giving a tax benefit for something the government wants us to do any different that imposing a tax detriment for something the government doesn't want us to do, in this case not buying insurance?
I hate Obamacare and want it gone, but I cannot argue with Roberts' logic. (I'm a lawyer with a specialty in tax.) Even he said that he doesn't necessarily agree that Obamacare is a good idea from a policy perspective, but that it's a legislative not a Constitutional issue. So now it's time for the House to get some cojones and get rid of this atrocity by whatever means it can.
If you, with your legal background, can find any portion of the Constitution that says it’s all right for the government to force a private citizen to purchase anything under penalty of law, I’ll believe DeathCare is Constitutional.
Frankly I don’t care about Justice Roberts’ opinion. I think if you look around here, you’ll find the hoi polloi agrees with me.
Apparently, you didn’t read my post. Makes no difference. Fregards!