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Federal judge orders Ohio to recognize gay marriage performed in Maryland
Hot Air.com ^ | July 23, 2013 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 07/23/2013 9:52:07 AM PDT by Kaslin

Yes, he’s an Obama appointee.

Addressing the constitutional question, Black explained, “Although the law has long recognized that marriage and domestic relations are matters generally left to the states, the restrictions imposed on marriage by states, however, must nonetheless comply with the [U.S.] Constitution.”

To that end, the court examined the Supreme Court’s decision striking down part of the Defense of Marriage Act this June in United States v. Windsor, the 1996 decision in Romer v. Evans, and in other decisions addressing differential treatment found to be unconstitutional under the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection of the laws.

Looking at Ohio’s bans on recognizing same-sex couples’ out-of-state marriages, while acknowledging its recognition of the marriages of opposite-sex couples who would not be allowed to marry in Ohio, Black concluded, “The purpose served by treating same-sex married couples differently than opposite-sex married couples is the same improper purpose that failed in Windsor and in Romer: ‘to impose inequality’ and to make gay citizens unequal under the law.”

Needless to say, if other courts follow this lead, we’ll have coast-to-coast legal gay marriage as a matter of Full Faith and Credit with the only limitation on gay couples their ability to travel to a pro-SSM state temporarily to get hitched. The Windsor decision that the court cites here in support of its ruling held that section 3 of DOMA, which bars the federal government from recognizing gay marriages performed in pro-SSM states, is unconstitutional. The point of the Ohio ruling is that section 2 of DOMA, which allows states to refuse to recognize gay marriages performed in other jurisdictions, should also be deemed unconstitutional under the logic of Windsor. Is that true, though? Read pages 18-21 of Kennedy’s majority opinion. He’s making two arguments, really. One is that, as the Ohio judge notes, the legislature can’t impose special restrictions on gays consistent with the Equal Protection Clause. The other, though, is that Congress overreached with DOMA by intruding on the states’ sovereign prerogative to regulate marriage as they see fit. It’s not just an equal protection ruling, it’s a federalism ruling too. And unlike Section 3, Section 2 of DOMA attempts to preserve state sovereignty by allowing each state to decide for itself whether gay marriages from other jurisdictions will be recognized there, which might be a complicating factor for Kennedy if this case works its way up to SCOTUS. It shouldn’t be, says the Ohio judge — equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment trumps states’ rights, especially when you have a history of full faith and credit for out-of-state marriages as precedent — but only Kennedy knows which way that shakes out.

Speaking of full faith and credit, a key passage from the Ohio court’s ruling:

[U]nder Ohio law, as declared by the Supreme Court of Ohio in 1958, out-of-state marriages between first cousins are recognized by Ohio, even though Ohio law does not authorize marriages between first cousins. Mazzolini v. Mazzolini, 155 N.E.2d 206, 208 (Ohio Sup. Ct. 1958) (marriage of first cousins was legal in Massachusetts and therefore is legal in Ohio regardless of the Ohio statute to the contrary).

Likewise, under Ohio law, out-of-state marriages of minors are recognized by Ohio, even though Ohio law does not authorize marriages of minors. See Hardin v. Davis, 16 Ohio Supp. 19, at *22 (Com. Pl. Hamilton Co. May 18, 1945) (“But, although first cousins cannot marry in Ohio, it has been held that if they go to another state where such marriages are allowed, marry, and return to Ohio, the marriage is legal in Ohio”); see also Slovenian Mut. Ben. Ass’n v. Knafelj, 173 N.E. 630, 631 (Ohio App. 1930) (“It is true that, under the laws of Ohio, if she were his first cousin he could not marry her; but they could go to the state of Michigan, or the state of Georgia, and perhaps many other states in the United States, and intermarry, and then come right back into Ohio and the marriage would be legal”); see also Peefer v. State, 182 N.E. 117, 121 (Ohio App. 1931) (where underage couples leave the state to marry in a state in which their marriage is valid and return to Ohio, the marriage cannot be set aside based on Ohio’s law against marriage of underage people); see also Courtright v. Courtright, 1891 Ohio Misc. LEXIS
161, at *7, aff’d without opinion, 53 Ohio 685 (Ohio 1895) (marriage between persons considered underage in Ohio married in a state where their marriage is legal “cannot be set aside, either because it was not contracted in accordance with the law of this state, or because the parties went out of the state for the purpose of evading the laws of this state”).

Ohio decided long ago that Full Faith and Credit means honoring marriages performed in other jurisdictions even if those marriages conflict with Ohio’s moral and legal preferences. Why should gay marriage be different?

All of that said, there may be an opportunity here for social conservatives. The big problem with a Federal Marriage Amendment, which seeks to ban gay marriage nationwide, is that not only is it opposed by gay-marriage supporters, it’s even opposed by some gay-marriage opponents who resist it as an infringement on federalism. The Ohio court ruling yesterday brings the federalism argument over to the social conservative side: Why shouldn’t the states, the laboratories of democracy, be allowed to follow their own rules on SSM rather than the rules of another state? There may be meaningful support in Congress and at the state level for an initiative that makes section 2 of DOMA a constitutional amendment. I give it near-zero chance of passing, but it’s a better talking point for opponents of SSM than the FMA is.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Maryland; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; homosexualagenda; maryland; newsyesterday; obamacare; ohio; zerocare

1 posted on 07/23/2013 9:52:07 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Easy to say “Not ripe for disposition.”


2 posted on 07/23/2013 9:54:53 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Kaslin

Rob Portman will attend this activist pr4ck’s birthday party no doubt. So sick of the sodomy celebration and baby killing that goes on in this once great nation.


3 posted on 07/23/2013 9:57:03 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Kaslin

EXACTLY what was intended when the “very clever law clerks” described by Mark Levin wrote the majority SCOTUS decision.

Any law restricting gay marriage was defined as prima facie bigotry. Lower courts will have no choice but to take their cues from that.

All the damage, none of the fingerprints.


4 posted on 07/23/2013 9:58:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

Good, so concealed carry reciprocity is also automatically mandated along with this decision.


5 posted on 07/23/2013 9:58:49 AM PDT by broken_clock (Do it Sarah! Cut the ties that bind.)
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To: broken_clock

No, this won’t extend to concealed carry laws. This legal concept will only be applied to liberal causes such as homosexual marriage.


6 posted on 07/23/2013 10:02:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
No, this won’t extend to concealed carry laws. This legal concept will only be applied to liberal causes such as homosexual marriage.

Screw em, I say they opened Pandora's Box with this decision.

7 posted on 07/23/2013 10:06:24 AM PDT by broken_clock (Do it Sarah! Cut the ties that bind.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is king.

Judges form the aristocracy, and rule over fiefdoms formally known as states.

US Senators form a leisure class of gentlemen, from whom nothing is expected.

I believe that Universities and “non-profits” now fill a role that once was filled by churches and monasteries back in the first feudal age. They pay no taxes, they own great stretches of real estate, they support large numbers of people directly, and they possess great wealth (what’s Harvard’s endowment??). They perform a “social service” and provide for the salvation, of sorts, of the people who provide money— Salvation being defined as future employability and/or buttressed self-image that you are “a good guy” with correct views.

And the rest of us labor is the fields, lamenting our servitude to distant tyrants.

The first Feudal Age at least had the concept of Chivalry. This second Feudal Age has the concept of Kim Kardashian.


8 posted on 07/23/2013 10:14:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Kaslin

Only if MD honors my CCW.


9 posted on 07/23/2013 10:16:06 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: broken_clock
The reason for your valid statement The can of worms is about to get messy. Not only guns but hunting doctors and realtors and insurance and all hell breaks loose.
10 posted on 07/23/2013 10:30:33 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Kaslin

Federal Marriage Amendment and impeach overreaching judges.


11 posted on 07/23/2013 10:31:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kaslin

Federal Marriage Amendment and impeach overreaching judges.


12 posted on 07/23/2013 10:31:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kaslin

This judge is wrong! Everyone knows what marriage is and what the homosexuals are after, to break down marriage so that they are not looked down on. This judge knows it to and is looking to climb on the Democratic ladder to a new appointment to a higher office!


13 posted on 07/23/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Kaslin

Jus tell the fed judge to go to hell, challenge the SOB... the feds cannot simply walk all over states rights.


14 posted on 07/23/2013 10:45:49 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: broken_clock

Nice thought. But with the current corrupt government of Obama/Holder and their federal courts picking and choosing which laws to ignore or enforce, it won’t be tranferred to concealed carry.

But if it did open up this “can of worms,” that might indeed be a silver lining. Choke the whole wretched system to death. Indeed, if some degenerate federal judge forces my state to recognize this perverted ‘pretend’ marriage, I’d just as soon see the whole country disemboweled and burn to the ground. I’d even donate the matches.


15 posted on 07/23/2013 10:51:31 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Kaslin

Why is a federal judge trying to enforce State law?


16 posted on 07/23/2013 10:55:29 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: DannyTN
Federal Marriage Amendment and impeach overreaching judges.

That's really the only way. But FReepers of the libertarian persuasion will pooh pooh you if you suggest this.

17 posted on 07/23/2013 11:04:49 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Kaslin

Read the Consitution. Art. IV has the full faith and credit clause.

“Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”

Hard to disagree that marriage is a contract which each state records. This is the slippery slope that many predicted and once DOMA is invalidated by judicial ruling then Congress is taken out of the equation.


18 posted on 07/23/2013 11:06:57 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Kaslin

I am a conservative who thought DOMA was unconstitutional because it put the federal government in the role of - in effect - nationalizing marriage law. For the same reason, I would oppose the Supreme Court declaring it illegal for a state to ban gay marriage. It is part of our tradition as a nation that a valid marriage in one state must be recognized by other states - that is one reason that so many marriages were done in Vegas. So I think this court ruling was correct.


19 posted on 07/23/2013 11:08:49 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"No, this won’t extend to concealed carry laws. This legal concept will only be applied to liberal causes such as homosexual marriage."

It's a flawed comparison. States traditionally recognize marriages performed in states with different marriage requirements. Concealed-carry laws are applicable to everyone travelling in a state, regardless of the law in their home state. Similarly, if you live in a state with no sales tax, it does not mean you are exempt from paying sales tax when travelling in a state that has sales tax.
20 posted on 07/23/2013 11:13:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: broken_clock

I’m glad I’m not the only one wondering why that wouldn’t be the same.


21 posted on 07/23/2013 11:15:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kaslin
Needless to say, if other courts follow this lead, we’ll have coast-to-coast legal gay marriage as a matter of Full Faith and Credit with the only limitation on gay couples their ability to travel to a pro-SSM state temporarily to get hitched.

Just as well all predicted...

22 posted on 07/23/2013 11:22:09 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kaslin; All
The judge in question was probably indoctrinated with post FDR-era interpretations of the Constitution in law school, more specifically perversions of the Constitution established by FDR's activist justices. And if such is the case, then it's no surprise that the judge is not snapping to the fact that, not only have the states never amended the Constitution to expressly protect so-called gay rights regardless of PC interpretations of the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment (14A), but government power to regulate marriage, including making laws that discriminate against gay marriage, is a 10th Amendment protected state / people power issue.

Before I go any further, a good case to study concerning the states being able to discriminate against citizens based on criteria not expressly protected by the Constitution is Minor v. Happersett.

Minor v. Happerset

The Minor case reflects on gay marriage because the Supreme Court disagreed with Virginia Minor's argument that her citizenship automatically gave her the right to vote. But the Court argued that the Constitution didn't protect voting rights on the basis of sex regardless of the equal protections clause of 14A. The states subsequently ratified the Constitution with the 19th Amendment to allow women to vote.

Also regarding the Minor case, note that activist justices and activist judges in California wrongly ingored Minor v. Happerset as it related to 14A's equal protections clause with respect to abusing judicial power to promote gay marriage.

Also, since the Full Faith and Credit Clause (Article IV, Section 1) has been mentioned, let's consider how that clause is being abused to promote so-called gay rights. Note that before Congress established constitutonally indefensible national drinking age law, for example, that a 19 year old living in a state where legal drinking age was 19 could not vacation in a state where drinking age was 21 and buy booze on the basis of the Full Faith and Credit Clause. The only thing that the Full Faith Clause required the vacation state to do was to acknowledge that the person trying to buy booze was legally 19 years old according to the official records of the person's home state.

Likewise, the only thing that the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires any state which has laws which discriminate against gay marriage is to acknowledge is that such people are legally married imo. Otherwise, since gay rights are not a constitutionally enumerated protection regardless of PC interpretations of 14A, just as the states could prohibit women from voting before the Constitution was amended to protect voting rights on the basis of sex, the states can reasonably discriminate against gay marriage.

Finally, I have heard that Texas has a law which prohibits gay marriage partners from divorcing. While some people think that this is a meaningless law, I suspect that Texas lawmakers are trying to prohibit same-sex friends from getting married as a fad.

23 posted on 07/23/2013 12:19:04 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin
Ohio decided long ago that Full Faith and Credit means honoring marriages performed in other jurisdictions ....

Will Ohio also honor sates prohibitions on same sex marriage? Seems like goose and gander, it would be queer to only have tolerance run one direction.

24 posted on 07/23/2013 12:27:51 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Kaslin
...judge orders Ohio to recognize gay marriage performed in Maryland...

"Yes, I recognize the fact that you are married in Maryland."

25 posted on 07/23/2013 12:40:10 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Kaslin; All
Here's a link to Justice Story's expert explanation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1298--1307
The Full Faith Clause means that the states essentially have to respect the legal records of another state. But where the pro-gay movement is getting the wires crossed with repect to 14A's Equal Protections Clause is that only constitutionally express protections can prohibit a state from discriminating against a person regardless of that person's legal information imo.
26 posted on 07/23/2013 12:44:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: fwdude

The American people, who revel in their alleged “open-mindedness” would sooner endorse an open communist slate of officials, which they will do in time anyway, rather than support a federal marriage amendment.


27 posted on 07/23/2013 4:00:58 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, except for six women in Sanford, FL, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Amendment10

So here’s a full faith and credit question. Let’s say that instead of gay marriage, MD had lowered the legal age of consent and marriage to 10. An adult male marries a 10 year old girl in MD, moves to OH and OH then has to consider the marriage (and what would be considered statutory rape/child molestation) valid?

Something tells me that’s not the case, that there are limits on what full faith and credit applies to ...


28 posted on 07/23/2013 4:08:16 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin
Funny part is, the turd pokers may have their fake "marriages" recognized by faceless scumbag government, but they'll never have it recongnized by most normal people.

There's a reason kids today still use phrases like, "That's so gay," as a deragatory comment. Kids understand naturally, instinctively, that there is just something sick about a man pushing a penis into another man's anus full of turd. It's one of those things nobody needs to teach, and it is why homos instinctively feel ashamed of what they are and what they do, and why they suffer the tears of a clown as they march with fake smiles in fake "pride" parades.

It's like the communist rats thinking they can create what Austrian economists called "the socialist man". It cannot be done because it is simply antithetical to human nature. It's the same with homosexuality - - it will always give normal people the creeps, and there's nothing the scum can do about it.

29 posted on 07/23/2013 4:15:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: tanknetter; All

Although your highly unlikely hypothetical scenario is food for thought, it seems to have missed the point of my previous example concerning different legal drinking ages in different states as it relates to the FF&CC.

My hypothetical analysis of your scenario is as follows. Regardless if OH is required to recognize the marriage in MD, that’s beside the point. The man has no constitutional protection preventing OH from putting him in prison for rape and child molestation even if that child is his legally married wife. (We’re not in Kansas anymore Toto.)


30 posted on 07/23/2013 7:47:05 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


31 posted on 07/23/2013 7:58:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: tanknetter

Like it or not the ruling concerns honoring a contract. Marriage is a contract, while gun laws and age of consent are not.


32 posted on 07/24/2013 8:31:28 AM PDT by matt60
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