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Why Are Republicans Bent on Pushing Amnesty Now?
RedState ^ | July 23rd, 2013 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 07/24/2013 3:59:19 AM PDT by iowamark

I understand what you are thinking.  If you are watching the political process, you are probably thinking, as a sane person, that Republicans would completely ignore amnesty and focus on what’s important.  After all, the country is focused on other trivial news, summer vacations, and the scandals.  After August, the main fights will be over funding Obamacare, the budget, and the debt ceiling.

So why on earth would Republicans push for amnesty, especially after the Senate bill has been ridiculed and repudiated?  Why would they bail out Obama at his weakest moment?  Why would they agree to the premise that we must have some form of amnesty now, thereby bleeding conservatives dry on the issue – drip by drip?

There is no good answer to these questions other than the fact that Republican leaders are looking for a new base.  Unfortunately, their dictates are strong enough to percolate down to the committee chairmen.  Trey Gowdy’s subcommittee on immigration held a hearing today on the Dream Act – a mass amnesty bill that will grant citizenship and welfare rights to a large population of illegals.  Basically, we control the House, but are using the committee hearings to promote Democrat policies.

Here is what the committee leaders had to say:

“I do not believe that parents who made the decision to illegally enter the U.S. while forcing their children to join them should be afforded the same treatment as these kids,” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), who chairs the House subcommittee that oversees immigration issues, said children are treated differently in nearly all facets of life and are seen as a “special protected class.” That was why the younger immigrants should have a separate solution than those of their parents, Gowdy argued.

“Attempts to group the entire 11 million into one homogenous group in an effort to secure a political remedy will only wind up hurting the most vulnerable,” Gowdy said in his opening comments.

The problem is that these people are not vulnerable and they are not in the shadows.  They testify openly before Congress; they disrupt committee hearings; they harass members of Congress in their offices.  There is no national emergency to deal with this issue now.

Moreover, there are a number of problems that are being overlooked in this process:

I’m seeing too many good members getting conned by leadership.  They are injecting their abstract sympathies, which may be appropriate in the right time, into a political process that will not end well.  If we had a president who was willing to enforce the laws and work with Congress to cut off the magnet of future waves of illegal migration, then we could discuss such a proposal.

Any discussion of this now will only lend credence to the Democrat premise of inevitability, give Obama cover for his other failures, and immediately incentivize new waves of illegal immigration.  Instead of the narrative revolving around how much up-front enforcement Democrats are willing to agree to, the storyline will be dominated by how much amnesty Republicans are willing to talk about as a precondition to negotiations.

So if you are putting your faith in the Republican House to stop this amnesty, remember not to use logic when crafting that assumption.  Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell want this badly, and they are not giving up.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegals

1 posted on 07/24/2013 3:59:19 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Because the GOPe is permanently stuck on stupid?

And stuck on betraying American workers for the NAU, at a minimum.

Like ‘see ya at the bill signing.’


2 posted on 07/24/2013 4:01:22 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: iowamark

They’re not known as the stupid party for nothing!


3 posted on 07/24/2013 4:02:28 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: F15Eagle

Because the GOPe is big business and big business wants lots of low skilled labor to drive down employment costs.

The D’s want the votes and the GOPe wants the workers so it’s a done deal. They are just fighting on where all the pork they are going to add in goes.


4 posted on 07/24/2013 4:04:31 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: PeteB570

You are not incorrect. There’s a push to accomplish exactly that and if some of us have to starve they don’t care.

They’re intent on pushing illegal labor by rewriting the laws to make it ‘legal.’


5 posted on 07/24/2013 4:07:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: iowamark

They aren’t called the STUPID Party for NOTHING!! A bunch of SISSIES!


6 posted on 07/24/2013 4:12:46 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: iowamark

I think its partly about debt. America has a massive and growing debt and congress is trying to stave off another credit downgrade under the false belief that the illegals will be taxpayers.


7 posted on 07/24/2013 4:15:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: iowamark

Naive.

They need to push through their socialist agenda before the economy collapses.

Trillions of dollars created annually, it will end badly.

That’s driving their sense of urgency, a perverse git ‘er done mentality.


8 posted on 07/24/2013 4:15:24 AM PDT by Stalwart
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To: iowamark

Because they too are socialists.


9 posted on 07/24/2013 4:18:12 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama lies, smokes, blasphemes, eats pork, reads your mail, eavesdrops and drinks during Ramadan)
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To: All
How stupid can Republicans be? Their imbecilic faith in latino human nature will be at our expense.

Will they do the necessary spadework to out these conniving kids and their parents....all riding the US gravy train using multiple identities like there's no tomorrow?

NEED TO KNOW Do the kids get in-state tuition? Free school lunches? Welfare? food stamps? Free healthcare?

Do their parents falsely declare them on federal apps to get $$$thousands in EITC refunds----maybe falsely stating their "kids" (existent and non-existent) were back home across the border? Sometimes latinos collude w/ their friends...let the pals claim their kids for refunds, as a favor.

DID THEY SWINDLE THE US GOVT? DID THEY OBTAIN FRAUDULENT MORTGAGES? MORTGAGES THAT DEVSTATED THE US ECONOMY? THAT US TAXPAYERS WERE FORCED TO BAILOUT?

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REALTIME CASE IN POINT Keynote 2012 Dem convention speaker, Benita Veliz, told a sap-happy Dem crowd that she was "from San Antonio, Texas,” that she was "like so many Americans. I was brought here as a child," Veliz said. "I've been here ever since."

However, her profile on the activist website dreamactivist.org reveals that she came to the United States from Mexico at age 8 on a tourist visa and that her family then illegally overstayed ...

In 2009, Benita allegedly rolled through a stop sign and when stopped by a police officer, Veliz had a Mexican consular card.....but no driver's license. She was booked in jail overnight, and immigration authorities started deportation proceedings against her......

....but she's still here, breaking laws and riding the US gravy train

So if the stupid Repubs pass The Kids Act, little Benita will have to use one of her other identities-----one that has no criminal record attached to it....yet.

The Velez family probably suck-up mucho US tax dollars, UI checks, welfare checks, disability checks, EITC refunds, etc etc etc. ....using multiple identities.

Wonder how much money little Benita is laundering---and wiring back to secret Mexican bank accounts?

THE BETTER ROUTE IS DETERMINING HOW OFTEN DID THEY SWINDLE THE US GOVT---SUCH AS OBTAINING FRAUDULENT MORTGAGES? MORTGAGES THAT DEVSTATED THE US ECONOMY? THAT US TAXPAYERS WERE FORCED TO BAILOUT?

10 posted on 07/24/2013 4:19:50 AM PDT by Liz
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To: cripplecreek
"...under the false belief that the illegals will be taxpayers."

Sure, to try and make up for the millions of taxpayers we allowed them to kill in the womb....

11 posted on 07/24/2013 4:20:28 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: F15Eagle

Not stupid, evil and traitorous.


12 posted on 07/24/2013 4:28:29 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: iowamark
I do not understand the Republican "leadership."

If (from a previous comment by PeteB570) the GOPe is big business and big business wants lots of low skilled labor to drive down employment costs, how does this help the Republicans at the ballot box?

It doesn't!

So more Democrats get elected who are anti-big business.

So this does not ultimately help big business as well.

So this will not help the Republican party short or long term. Nor will it ultimately help big business. So why is there such a push for this now, or better, RIGHT NOW!?

13 posted on 07/24/2013 4:28:36 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: F15Eagle

Nothing to do with stupidity. They have been co-opted by our Saudi overlords, and the other globalist forces.


14 posted on 07/24/2013 4:31:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: iowamark

Millions of parents take and raise their kids legally in other countries without thereby earning local citizenship for them. And it-s not considered a hardship or some sort of human rights abuse.

There is absolutely no reason to so think those brought here illegally.

All that needs to be done is compare them to the children of parents living abroad anywhere else.


15 posted on 07/24/2013 4:40:46 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: iowamark

The Republican aristocracy has never stopped pushing amnesty.


16 posted on 07/24/2013 4:43:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: iowamark

Trey Gowdy is WRONG! Sadly.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 4:45:15 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Moonman62

exactly

the GOPe is really another arm of the Socialist Democrat Party


18 posted on 07/24/2013 4:46:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: PeteB570

Most big business seem to donate to liberal causes... then again I guess the GOPe qualifies there too


19 posted on 07/24/2013 4:47:32 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: iowamark
Why Are Republicans Bent on Pushing Amnesty Now?

They want to get rid of the issue. Many of them don't have the backbone to keep fighting the Dims and the media.

No mas, no mas!

20 posted on 07/24/2013 4:50:53 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Lazamataz
"Nothing to do with stupidity."

Bingo. I get tired of hearing about "naive" or "inept" politicians. Wrong. They are very calculating and pure evil.

21 posted on 07/24/2013 4:51:59 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: iowamark
I think the dims have blackmail info on them. Nothing else makes sense. Remember the pubbie FBI files found in the whitehouse?
22 posted on 07/24/2013 5:14:50 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: iowamark

The reality is that there is a shadow organization calling itself the GOP—but is just a “kept opposition” for appearances sake.
They may talk a lot, but do not actually oppose anything important. They keep up appearances for elections—AND collect a lot of money that can be spread around amongst the media, “consultants” and permamant hangers-on.

Kind of like a “safety valve” on a boiler. It prevents explosions FOR A WHILE.


23 posted on 07/24/2013 5:22:45 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: iowamark

“So why on earth would Republicans push for amnesty, especially after the Senate bill has been ridiculed and repudiated?”

Money. It’s the life blood of the country clubber set. It sure as hell isn’t for votes. It also illustrates the abject cynicism of the GOPe and it’s utter contempt for its constituents.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 5:25:36 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: iowamark

The GOPe are traitors. They have infested the Republican party to do exactly this. With these traitors in our midst even when we do manage to win they desperately try to clutch for defeat. We need to purge them from our party or form a new party without them, one that requires adherence to the national platform in order to maintain membership.


25 posted on 07/24/2013 5:26:58 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: IbJensen

I don’t think it has anything to do with their intellect. I think it has everything to do with money, and power. (In some cases the money being the power)

Who wants Amnesty!? BIG business wants cheap labor, and amnesty would be one major source of cheap labor.

Contrary to the Democrat projection “the Republican Party is the party of the rich” it’s the Democrats that have the advantage of BIG money behind them. Leftist run, Leftist leaning BIG business wants amnesty, and the Left leaning Republicans are right in there with the Leftist Democrats willing to destroy this country for the money, the power siding with such BIG business will provide them personally.

We must never forget either that much of that BIG money is foreign. Transnational Corporate money with no allegiance to any Nation much less the United States. Open borders is what they want. Open borders for profits. The World for the taking.

We have to understand who they are, and once we know who they are we can then determine what their goals are, and then we can work to stop them. Right now we are being plyed with the liquor of disinformation to skew our focus so we won’t see the rape coming.

It is my opinion we are on the defensive with foreign Nations, BIG Transnational Corporations, Leftist NGO’s, in support of the U.N. all against America’s support of Liberty around the World as well the aspirations of the dangerous Islamic kooks of the ME, and around the World.

We need to flush the Congressional bowl. Clean it out. Put true Americans with America as their one, and only priority in place, and eliminate all the Leftist mischief from the Federal government we possibly can.

It’s the money, the power they seek for themselves sacrificing you, and me in the process.


26 posted on 07/24/2013 5:31:12 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I guess you’re right in suggesting that it’s for a short term gain and to hell with what it creates down the road.

It’s rather like Detroit’s unsolvable mess. The automakers caved in to labor’s demands which solved their immediate problem. The reckoning day comes and they’re in trouble. The bigger problem is that all other manufacturing companies were forced to follow the automakers’ lead.

As the profit margins slim or disappear those companies fail and are forgotten, or they move operations first to the south and then to overseas locations.

The chickens have indeed come home to roost and America is in the fight of its life with the cards stacked against her with a complete America-hating idiot in the White Hut and a Congress made up of fruitcakes and cowards.

God help us!


27 posted on 07/24/2013 5:37:23 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: iowamark

the amnesty bill the Senate passed yesterday is a sad betrayal of working class Americans of every ethnicity who will see their wages lowered and their upward mobility lowered too. And yet we still do not have a secured border. This Senate-approved amnesty bill rewards lawbreakers and won’t solve any problems – as the CBO report notes that millions of more illegal immigrants will continue to flood the U.S. in coming years. - Sarah Palin

https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10151696565608588


28 posted on 07/24/2013 5:49:52 AM PDT by McGruff (I need a new party.)
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To: NoExpectations

They have learned that it is more profitable to game the system than it is to fight the system.


29 posted on 07/24/2013 5:54:22 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: McGruff

I wrote Senator Corker a letter warning him not to vote for immigration bill that had security down the road.

He sent me a 4 page reply with 2 or 3 extra pages describing the extreme measures included to assure secure the borders.

He actually believes in the fact we live in an America where the President abides by the law. He actually thinks the president will enforce the security measures in a timely fashion.

Corker is a damned fool


30 posted on 07/24/2013 5:57:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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I don’t blame politicians for “playing politics” frankly its part of their nature. However Republicans pushing for amnesty is “anti-political” its simply the suicide of the two party system.
Now assuming the people in charge aren’t schizophrenic they must have some idea what they are actually doing and what part they are playing in their own self destruction, one has to think of another reason as to why they are pushing amnesty. It can’t be to get votes, that doesn’t even make sense even with the most delusional wishful thinking

It can’t be to “increase tax paying base” because, they aren’t going to be tax payers for a few generations (I can’t remember off hand how long it takes immigrants to turn from net negative to net positive for the economy)

It begs the question why would the republicans do this??? Are they being paid off?? Some very rich people must want cheap labor and are giving the republicans some very nice presents.


31 posted on 07/24/2013 6:07:18 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: iowamark

Gowdy and Issa need to be primaried.

These two traitors are running a kangaroo committee stacked with LaRaza plants and banned any anti amnesty views.
On orders from that vile Cantor and Bonehead this blll is born rammed thru fit their K st slave labor billionaire pals .

Tell Gowdy I don’t need any slave labor
Blueberries,

I am sick of there little IRS sideshow to distract us from
There real goal which is Amnesty !


32 posted on 07/24/2013 6:13:28 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: WashingtonSource

Gowdy and Issa are devious snakes .

There entire IRS carnival act is meant to distract the Bubbas while they ram thru amnesty !


33 posted on 07/24/2013 6:16:26 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

We are witnessing the Fabian’s endgame.


34 posted on 07/24/2013 6:19:35 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: iowamark

Now? The GOP has been pushing amnesty since at least 1999, if not longer. This latest effort is merely getting on board with the dems for codification so they don’t miss out on their slice of the pie when it’s cooked.


35 posted on 07/24/2013 6:23:49 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: iowamark
Mickey Kaus explained this succinctly and cogently years ago.

The Dream Act is the stalking horse for amnesty.

There's a reason why leftists like Zoe Lofgren love to trot out that one Vietnamese valedictorian as they lobby to legalize 20 million largely unskilled aliens.

Everything else you heard yesterday by Gowdy et. al about "limiting" this monstrosity was just a continuation of the dog an pony show.

It began with the illegal, unconstitutional DACA, but it certainly wasn't going to end there. Anyone who thought it would, including "Republican" members of Congress, was delusional.

36 posted on 07/24/2013 6:24:14 AM PDT by OddLane
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To: iowamark

It might be time to form a new party...


37 posted on 07/24/2013 6:38:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (Department of Justice to Americans:'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?')
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To: iowamark

The urgency for addressing “comprehensive immigration reform” is coming from two sources: the Obama administration and the coporate paymasters. There are two objectives in play.

The Dems want amnesty so they can make themselves the permanent major party sooner. Under the current immigration policies, they will become the permanent majority party anyway. Amnesty just hastens the process.

The Reps want a massive increase in guest workers as demanded by their corporate paymasters. They will concede almost anything to get it.

Religious, labor, and ethnic groups are supporting it for reasons of power, money, and increased constituencies even if it means destruction of the country.

The big losers are the American worker and the country, which will be flooded by cheap labor from the Third World.


38 posted on 07/24/2013 6:47:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: iowamark

And while Gowdy et al. were spouting off their inanities about fairness for illegals yesterday, Pew was releasing its poll showing illegals prefer Dhimms 8-1.

The Stupid Party just keeps getting stupider while poking its base in the eye.

I won’t send a penny to any of these jerks lining up behind any form of amnesty, even if they may be somewhat solid in other areas. Immigration is killing us.


39 posted on 07/24/2013 7:03:03 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: iowamark
The Gop does not care about conservative values or the constitution.

They want to help big business (someone mentioned that) which I'm sure will help their campaign coffers.

They are stupid and think the leftist will stop calling them heartless for picking on innocence children. (They had to make it about the children like they always do- except with abortion, then it's about the woman and her body)

They are looking for a new base OR maybe they want to abandon conservatives, thinking they can do what liberals do and call the left, too far left and the right, too far right, and portray themselves as centrist. They can't see that their base is 70% conservative, and assume we will vote for them because we where else will we go? They want to believe that conservatives did vote for romney, and that they just need to get more independents.

Until conservatives in bulk, make it clear we will not march left with them, they will continue to “use” us to gain power. We need to seriously look at a third party. The problem is the same as we have with the primary. Everyone goes in different directions.

40 posted on 07/24/2013 11:04:48 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: freedomfiter2
Not stupid, evil and traitorous.

You are not the only one that knows this.


41 posted on 07/24/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: GOPJ
It might be time to form a new party...

What ever did we do the last time we had a king?

42 posted on 07/24/2013 11:57:59 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Agreed


43 posted on 07/24/2013 12:06:07 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Lazamataz

Yep


44 posted on 07/24/2013 12:09:28 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: JohnG45
So this will not help the Republican party short or long term. Nor will it ultimately help big business. So why is there such a push for this now, or better, RIGHT NOW!?

I believe in the long run, citizenship for illegals would hurt the illegals themselves and the countries they come from. After they made America a one party system with a leftist supermajority, and those leftists go beyond obamacare and borrow even more money, destroying the economic engine, they would have killed their own golden goose. Where will they go to get jobs then?

45 posted on 07/24/2013 12:29:27 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: F15Eagle
They’re intent on pushing illegal labor by rewriting the laws to make it ‘legal.’

Just like the '1984', lies become truth.
46 posted on 07/24/2013 11:33:42 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: rockinqsranch
Who wants Amnesty!? BIG business wants cheap labor, and amnesty would be one major source of cheap labor.

Illegal labor is cheap now. As soon as it becomes legal - with all the additional costs of social security, taxes, health care, worker's comp - and prevailing wages - it becomes not cheap any more.
47 posted on 07/24/2013 11:35:57 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom

When the basic compensatory demand is less even with the additional requirements as you listed labor costs will still be less. The domestic labor market has a higher expectancy of compensation for their time/labor.


48 posted on 07/25/2013 4:00:07 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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