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Houston woman says she killed man in self-defense
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Posted on 07/24/2013 6:47:01 AM PDT by TigerClaws

A south Houston woman said she was only protecting herself when she fatally shot a man at a service station.

"I didn't intend to hurt or harm anyone. I just went to the gas station to get gas," Shanequia McDonald said on Tuesday.

McDonald told Houston police she shot Lewis Daniel shortly after 7 p.m. Sunday at a Gulf station in the 6800 block of Cullen, between Griggs and the South Loop. The case will go to the Harris County grand jury to decide if any charges will be filed.

On Tuesday, McDonald was at the side of community activist Quanell X.

"She tried to walk away. What else was she supposed to do?" Quanell asked.

McDonald said she was pumping gas when Daniel, 58, approached her and began making sexual overtures.

"He's from around this area but personally, no, I don't know him," she said Tuesday.

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So Quanell says Zimmerman shouldn't be able to use stand your ground and it's evil in a march last week.

This week... ?

1 posted on 07/24/2013 6:47:01 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Video of the killing (skip ad):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BQxRIwaurc


2 posted on 07/24/2013 6:49:57 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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If Quanell shows the usefulness of self defense laws for black people, it is better than claiming that there should be no use of self defense.

The hypocrisy and racism is easier to see.

3 posted on 07/24/2013 6:50:35 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: TigerClaws
This week... ?

This week it's black-on-black, we care, but no one in the MSM or race-baiting industry does.

4 posted on 07/24/2013 6:50:45 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: TigerClaws

Good shoot but the hypocrisy is deafening.


5 posted on 07/24/2013 6:53:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TigerClaws

A man stupid enough to mess with a Negro woman with a gun is too stupid to live.


6 posted on 07/24/2013 6:57:31 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: TigerClaws

I bet if Obama had a son, he would look just like Lewis Daniel.

“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said, underscoring how the issue affected him on a personal, and not just a political or legal, level. ~ Obama 22 Mar 2012


7 posted on 07/24/2013 7:05:51 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Venturer

“A man stupid enough to mess with a Negro woman with a gun is too stupid to live.”

I guess I would amend that to say that a man stupid enough to mess with ANY woman with a gun is too stupid to live. Like they say in Kentucky, “If she has a gun, the answer is yes.” (stolen from “Backyard Oil”).


8 posted on 07/24/2013 7:06:16 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: TigerClaws

Thats exactly what the law is for.


9 posted on 07/24/2013 7:10:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws
Quanell has led recent marches in Houston to protest the not-guilty verdict a Florida jury returned in the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, but said McDonald cannot be compared to the man acquitted of killing the 17-year-old Martin. "George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman stalked and pursued Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman was armed (but) Trayvon Martin was not," Quanell said. McDonald "was the victim of an assault. She was trying to get away," he said. "She got the weapon to defend herself."

This "activist" is not helping this woman in any way. The woman may or may not have had a legitimate reason to kill Daniels. The police will investigate and make that determination. But this activist who is "helping" her is not doing her any favors by bringing Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman into the mix and claiming that this is somehow different. The only difference is that Zimmerman is an honorary white and this woman is black, which is the only difference that matters to these activists.

10 posted on 07/24/2013 7:10:41 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: skeeter

She could have gotten in her car and driven off. Instead, she pops the trunk and takes out a gun.

Oh, notice she shot several times.

Zimmerman shot ONCE. Didn’t hear it pointed out at trial, but if someone is angry and trying to kill with malice, they empty the clip.


11 posted on 07/24/2013 7:13:47 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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The point of stand your ground is you shouldn't have to evade or retreat.

This kind of case is exactly what the law is for.

12 posted on 07/24/2013 7:16:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws
but if someone is angry and trying to kill with malice, they empty the clip.

I would have. St. Trayvon would've taken multiple shots to head and chest.
13 posted on 07/24/2013 7:17:16 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: TigerClaws

Shanequia McDonald - naming a baby Shanequia, Shamikwa, or any of the other spelling choices seems like it gives them a social handicap right from the go. Finding nickname would be a priority, I’d think.


14 posted on 07/24/2013 7:17:30 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: catnipman
I guess I would amend that to say that a man stupid enough to mess with ANY woman with a gun is too stupid to live.

Thanks, catnipman. You beat me to it.

15 posted on 07/24/2013 7:18:53 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: TigerClaws

Shanequia McDonald? Those Irish McDonald’s are hot temper folk.


16 posted on 07/24/2013 7:20:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (I propose the segregation of Liberals from Conservatives!)
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To: TigerClaws

Fear empties clips real fast.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 7:20:38 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: TigerClaws

If one is having a heated argument and the other person takes out a gun....it’s time to fold up and exit...stage left. If one sticks around and assaults the gun bearer it is time to die....”Stupid is what stupid does”-Forest Gump-


18 posted on 07/24/2013 7:26:22 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: TigerClaws
There should never be a duty to retreat. As soon as she turned her back he moved towards her in an aggressive manner. Fortunately for her she turned back around quickly with a gun. Otherwise this would be a case no one heard about, a black guy stabbing possibly killing a black woman at a gas station. This is a good shoot no question about it.

The neo-black panthers involvement makes my hackles rise but unlike liberals/NBP I believe in self defense regardless of skin color.

19 posted on 07/24/2013 7:35:33 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Baynative

Whenever I see or hear spots by the AD Council, I know I am in for a liberal life lesson. One on the radio has a female voice ridiculing such names and then the holier-than-thou lib chastises the first voice. If I had to rank, the ultimate Ad Council spot is the druggie white guy sitting on the floor of a black guy’s house and then the home owner tells the druggie that “I am blocking you” from entering the home. The imagery is astounding. Imagine a suburban white family blocking rappers or so-called ill-mannered celebs? Think the Ad Council would offer such a belief? The naive land of liberals.


20 posted on 07/24/2013 7:36:36 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ontap

Never bring an umbrella to a gun fight!


21 posted on 07/24/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: ontap

Yup...If there is anything worse than bringing a knife to a gunfight, it has to be fists..


22 posted on 07/24/2013 7:40:07 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: mellow velo

Ha!

But you have no duty to retreat from a situation is part of reasonable self defense.

She not only stands her ground but arms herself. If she was in fear for her life, she pops the trunk and walks toward the man to get the rifle?

He does, however, throw the first punch. It’s self defense, but this is far more a close call to manslaughter for me than Zimmerman’s situation.

Of course, he’s a white Hispanic so he gets away with it...


23 posted on 07/24/2013 7:45:47 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: ConservativeStatement

The AD Council was created during WWII to push government propaganda. It should be eliminated.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 7:48:55 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: TigerClaws
CG(?) voice-over description differs from article.
25 posted on 07/24/2013 7:50:21 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: TigerClaws
McDonald said she fired at the ground, hoping to scare the man off.

"She never intended to shoot directly at him," Quanell said. "She didn't know the bullet actually ricocheted and hit him."

McDonald then went home to tell her mother what happened. Only then was the Houston Police Department notified.

Parts of her story seem factual, but this is pure fabrication. He was shot four times.

She took a video of him on the ground. Gots to be able to show my peeps...

She may not get charged, but she may have been able to avoid this situation more than she admits to.

Didn't seem to me he was coming close until she pulled out the gun. Of course if he had a knife in his hand, she had the right to defend herself. I note that she turned her back on him for a period when she pulled the gun out of the trunk. The fact that she didn't keep tabs on him moment by moment tells me she wasn't exactly expecting him to attack at any second.

26 posted on 07/24/2013 7:52:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: TigerClaws

She shot him more than once because she heard at the trial that after you shoot someone in the heart, he can keep coming after you for up to 15 seconds.

She didn’t get in the car and drive off because she wasn’t through filling her tank. Maybe she paid in advance.


27 posted on 07/24/2013 7:54:55 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: TigerClaws
So Quanell says Zimmerman shouldn't be able to use stand your ground and it's evil in a march last week.
This week... ?

Piecing together the comments, it seems that Q-10 believes the law should apply here because "Poochie" was armed with a knife, whereas Trayvon was not. Like most of his ilk, Quanell doesn't care about the letter of the law - he just wants it to disproportionately benefit "his people" (and punish the white devils).

28 posted on 07/24/2013 7:55:36 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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Right. That’s my point re stand your ground.

She wasn’t fearing for her life, IMHO. She wouldn’t have passed right next to him to go to her trunk. She was just in a heated argument and decided to elevate it by retrieving a weapon.

She didn’t stay around for the cops to take her statement or for an ambulance to drive. She took a ‘trophy pic’ and drove off.

It’s very borderline self defense. I could see billing manslaughter here.

The attacker was likely drunk off his arse. Very common problem in the hood. Instead of blowing off the comments, however offensive, from a drunk, she argued back, armed herself, and shot him multiple times.

Perhaps... she’d seen the Zimmerman stories and figured ‘you hit me, you die’ is how it works. So let me grab that gun in the trunk!


29 posted on 07/24/2013 7:56:39 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Charles Martel

In something like 33% of the nationally reported cases where ‘stand your ground’ has been used (it was NOT used in the Zimmerman case), African Americans have been the ones claiming it.

So there’s a 2x or more of the national population average representation by AAs using this law.

In fact, Obama himself sponsored the ‘stand your ground’ law in Illinois in his brief stint as a legislator there.

They really want a compliant victim class of whites who hand over purses and wallets without making a peep, creating an easy path for criminals.

Actually stand up to the hoods and you risk being ‘Zimmermaned” from now on.


30 posted on 07/24/2013 7:59:47 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

There seems to be some disputed evidence that will need to come out in the grand jury.

Did she shoot just once or three times, and was the bullet a ricochet?

Description of his knife. Description of his umbrella.

He was alleged to have been harassing people with his umbrella before then.

Alcohol and drugs involved?

On the surface it seems to be a justified shooting, but that will be up to the grand jury to determine.

I do agree that her involving Quantrell X is not helping her case. She needs a lawyer, not an agitator.


31 posted on 07/24/2013 8:09:18 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: TigerClaws

Justis 4 Lewis!!!....Nevermind.


32 posted on 07/24/2013 8:10:43 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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Right. That’s my point re stand your ground.
Yes, and I believe you're right.

She wasn’t fearing for her life, IMHO. She wouldn’t have passed right next to him to go to her trunk. She was just in a heated argument and decided to elevate it by retrieving a weapon.
That was another indicator.  Good point.  I'd expect her to avoid him, and when getting into her trunk to get the gun, keep glancing back at him, to make sure he wasn't going to attack from behind.

She didn’t stay around for the cops to take her statement or for an ambulance to drive. She took a ‘trophy pic’ and drove off.
True, and when she lied about how many shots and that it bounced off the pavement, she really screwed herself.  Tell the truth and you may skate.  They start catching lies, and you're in deep trouble.

It’s very borderline self defense. I could see billing manslaughter here.
So could I.  I wonder what Grand Master Quanel X would be spewing if Zimmerman had done this.  It certainly wouldn't be the same tune he's singing now, that's for darn sure.

The attacker was likely drunk off his arse. Very common problem in the hood. Instead of blowing off the comments, however offensive, from a drunk, she argued back, armed herself, and shot him multiple times.
I agree with you.  I will add, you don't cold-cock someone holding a loaded rifle.  None the less, that's not exactly a capital crime.  He didn't knife her either.

Perhaps... she’d seen the Zimmerman stories and figured ‘you hit me, you die’ is how it works. So let me grab that gun in the trunk!
I may be way off base here, but I'm not convinced I'm so far off at all.  This is evidence of Black empowerment to me.  You're Black, you never back down, you don't let anyone treat you certain ways.  You go for the throat.

I'm not sure if you've ever had heated words with someone of this mentality, but once they get hopping mad, there's nothing you can say that will pacify them.  In fact, if you say something logical and decent it can increase the anger exponentially.

It's one thing to not let folks walk on you or treat you unfairly, but it's another to go so postal that you're basically a raving lunatic completely out of control.

She walked into this one IMO.  She escalated the situation by taking out the rifle.  And then sure enough, she determined that she was justified to use it.  Big mistake.  As others have said, she could have gotten back in the car and left.  The time used to get into the trunk could just as easily have been used to get back in the car and leave.


33 posted on 07/24/2013 8:23:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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All her attacker would have had to do was back off, even a little, after she told him to leave her alone.

But, no, he kept on coming after her, even after she armed herself. All the witnesses said he had a knife besides the umbrella, so it appears that the hand that he swung at her had the knife in it. It appeared from the video that he almost got her, and that is when she shoots, not before.

You may say that arming yourself with a rifle while being threatened by a man with a knife is “escalating” the situation. I call it prudent.

It seemed a prudent thing to do to take a picture of the man with the knife on the ground to document that he had been armed.

The big mistake that she made was driving off.

I think she will be “no billed”.


34 posted on 07/24/2013 8:49:28 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: TigerClaws

What Obama’s son would really look like:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTb-kJVDww


35 posted on 07/24/2013 9:00:43 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Quickgun

Meredith Hunter brought a gun to a knife fight. He died.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Meredith_Hunter


36 posted on 07/24/2013 9:07:14 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Darteaus94025

Wow, thats an unusual outcome,


37 posted on 07/24/2013 9:11:22 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: TigerClaws

Don’t ever make the mistake of standing between Quanell and a TV camera. That useless POS!


38 posted on 07/24/2013 9:41:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Quickgun

Not the one I would bet on, but it happens.


39 posted on 07/24/2013 9:55:42 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: DoughtyOne
Texas Law. Sections 9.31 and 9.32 apply here with 9.31(f) covering retreat.
If the guy had a knife out then he's the one that escalated it to a deadly confrontation so she would appear justified in her actions on the face of it. However she made a big mistake by just driving away altho' no doubt she perhaps still felt threatened.

With all the items about self defense etc in the news lately I bought a new book on it and found it very enlightening and more detailed than Ayoob's work. Its number is ISBN-10: 0988867702

40 posted on 07/24/2013 10:29:43 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: TigerClaws

She appeared to shoot him in the foot with her first round, then missed trying to shoot him in the foot again. It looks like he tried to hit her, after she shot him in the foot. I don’t know what was said, to get her to think the guy was a threat after the first shot to the foot. He and she seemed to be backing away from each other, after the second shot and after he tried to hit her. I can’t see how further shots are necessary, seeing as how the guy was retreating. It’d be better to have a full video of the entire confrontation, particularly after the second shot, but both people retreated out of camera sight, so its hard to make a determination. I think she has opened herself up for a manslaughter conviction, maybe involuntary, maybe voluntary. I’ll bet she gets charged because the guy was retreating when she fired the fatal shots. He was no longer a threat to her, and she continued to fire. The fact that she left the scene, afterwards, is also a problem for her.


41 posted on 07/24/2013 10:43:01 AM PDT by krogers58
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To: marktwain

I’m not sure which hand the knife was in, so you may be right there. I don’t have a problem with arming yourself if you’re truly in fear for your life. I just don’t think you nonchalantly turn your back on a guy for about five seconds while you open your trunk and pull out a rifle, if you are in real fear for your life.

Opening your door and getting in wouldn’t take any longer. Then leave...

If you don’t think you were in the wrong, tell the whole truth. Don’t tell me you shot into the pavement and it bounced up and hit the guy, when you fired four shots point blank into him.

I’m not a police investigator. If I am, I catch you lying and it tells me you think you did something you need to cover up. Who am I to disagree?


42 posted on 07/24/2013 11:14:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: 1066AD

Technically, I agree.

I don’t necessarily agree that she shouldn’t drive away, but I fully understand the validity of the argument.

If she is still in fear, I can justify her leaving, going home, and immediately calling the police to report the incident. At that point she has made it clear she wasn’t trying to flee responsibility or prosecution.

You really do need to tell the truth though. Start embellishing or flat out lying, that is not going to help your case at all.

I would like to have seen her fire on him when he first went in for the hit. Once he backed off, it seemed she might have been less justified in shooting the guy. If he moves in again, then shoot.

Don’t shoot the ground. Shoot him on justifiable grounds. Explain exactly what you did and why.


43 posted on 07/24/2013 11:23:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: 1066AD

I appreciate the mention of the book and the ISBN.


44 posted on 07/24/2013 11:23:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: TigerClaws

Instead, she pops the trunk and takes out a gun.

************

And after she got the gun the perp tried to hit her so he wasn’t the smartest one either..


45 posted on 07/24/2013 11:31:00 AM PDT by deport
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To: TigerClaws; ZX12R

It’s my understanding that Georges gun jammed.


46 posted on 07/24/2013 11:40:28 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
It’s my understanding that Georges gun jammed.

I did not hear that evidence come out in court.
47 posted on 07/24/2013 11:44:52 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Balding_Eagle; All

“It’s my understanding that Georges gun jammed.”

Many speculated on that from early inconsistent reporting.

Evidence at the trial showed that it functioned as designed. An officer took a loaded cartridge from the chamber when he collected the gun for evidence from the scene.


48 posted on 07/24/2013 12:15:56 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Liberalism and their ability to grow government is a triumph of emotion over common sense. The media and paid advertisers contribute to that effort.

I've worn out both keyboards and cell phones trying to show conservative groups the wisdom of doing the same - they are not interested. The people trying to get our money only want to use it to maintain the status quo in the beltway.

49 posted on 07/24/2013 12:22:33 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It's a tad cheaper than Amazon on his own site

He live blogged the Zim trial which I found very informative, in fact they've just posted a piece about this Houston case.

50 posted on 07/24/2013 1:12:40 PM PDT by 1066AD
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