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Clapper warns against measure to rein in NSA
Associated Press ^ | Jul 24, 2013 2:05 PM EDT | Donna Cassata

Posted on 07/24/2013 3:35:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The director of the National Intelligence says an effort in the House to rein in the National Security Agency’s electronic surveillance program would dismantle a critical tool in the fight against terrorism.

James Clapper issued the statement just hours ahead of a House vote on an amendment by Republican Rep. Justin Amash that would end the statutory authority under the USA PATRIOT Act for the NSA to collect hundreds of millions of phone records. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: benghazi; clapper; defundnsa; districtofcolumbia; dni; edwardsnowden; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; jamesclapper; michigan; nsa; nsaleaks; palestinian; randsconcerntrolls; surveillance; surveillancestate; waronterror
. . . and the Muslim Brotherhood is still “moderate”, right, Clapper? And none of this surveillance shall ever be extended to mosques per current practice?
1 posted on 07/24/2013 3:35:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Clapper said he was joining the leaders of the congressional intelligence panels in cautioning against acting in haste. He said he welcomes an open and candid discussion about the NSA programs.

Except when he's lying to them.

2 posted on 07/24/2013 3:38:03 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Olog-hai

I demand a list of all Terrorist plots foiled, with names and countries of origin. Case closed.


3 posted on 07/24/2013 3:39:32 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry, Clapper, but you should have considered that before NSA exceeded its Constitutional authority and before you lied to the Congressional Committee.


4 posted on 07/24/2013 3:41:34 PM PDT by Amagi (Buying "Green" means purchasing inferior quality at increased cost.)
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like a protection racket. “Be a shame if you cut our funding and something happened to that nation of yours”.


5 posted on 07/24/2013 3:41:59 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Olog-hai

Clapper was once an executive with the company that employed Edward Snowden. (Booz-Allen)

Apparently his stock is fixin to take a hit.


6 posted on 07/24/2013 3:43:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

The entire federal government is obsessed with collecting information on citizens.

It seems the real “enemies” they are after are critics of Obama, gun owners, defenders of the constitution and Christians.


8 posted on 07/24/2013 3:44:34 PM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: Olog-hai

So we should heed the warnings from this lying bum who lives by sucking on the public tit? He needs a kick in his ass.


9 posted on 07/24/2013 3:47:09 PM PDT by Octar
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To: Olog-hai

” Clapper warns against measure to rein in NSA”

...or else!!!!


10 posted on 07/24/2013 3:47:54 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Olog-hai

...YEAH, elections are coming.”


11 posted on 07/24/2013 3:48:50 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: SpaceBar

Knowing how this administration works, if funding was cut, the first thing they’d do is put the detailed theory of operation and blueprints to the W88 and F22 on a Windows 3.11 PC, and hang it on the Internet. Sequester, you know.


12 posted on 07/24/2013 3:50:43 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Olog-hai

The NSA has an STD, the Clapper.


13 posted on 07/24/2013 3:50:54 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Iron Munro

Agree. If the NSA was really after terrorists, they need only look where the terrorists are. And they would have thwarted the Boston Marathon bombing. ENOUGH OF BIG BROTHER!! Defund it NOW!!


14 posted on 07/24/2013 3:52:57 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: All

I have come to the opinion that the general NSA employees are working within the confines but an amount equal to their entire cost is being spent with “contractors” and “consultants”.

These groups are directed by political appointees and higher level people that can be influenced by political agendas and additionally do not have the tight training and strictures of a full time classified intelligence service employee.

All of the leaks, problems and issues have been with these folks and interagency low levels piped into the NSA feeds like the young army traitor.

As this is this sensitive, cut out the contractors, restrict the programs and have the trained people do the jobs (or refuse to do the jobs) as put together by the political appointees.

The loyal grunts that do the work are being cut by sequestration, not the top level hogs. Further budget cuts are going to come out of the trained line-level employees not out of the contractors working on “specials” in my worry.

When we have a corrupt and agenda driven administration in place for another 3 years all we can do is cut the purse strings but we need to give it direction.

I am in private industry but work with DOD people everyday and have some idea of the cultures and types of people involved.


15 posted on 07/24/2013 3:56:42 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Terrorists could rent every billboard the entire length of I-80 and advertize an impending attack 6 months ahead of time and our “intelligence” agencies would still be taken by surprise.

To quote Jim Traficant

“Our intelligence agencies are so stupid they could throw themselves at the ground and miss.”


16 posted on 07/24/2013 3:58:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: KC Burke

Only a complete and utter moron would believe that the disaster that is our intelligence industry came about because of the Obama administration alone.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 4:00:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama has 3 years left to put together the largest database of voters, politicians, and businesses ever accumulated. Think he’ll use it for political advantage?


18 posted on 07/24/2013 4:03:22 PM PDT by vbob
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To: Olog-hai
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING US! Also we have always been at war with east Asia.
19 posted on 07/24/2013 4:04:24 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Olog-hai

Translation: Please do not take away my cool toys! (I love listening in on your private conversations, too!)


20 posted on 07/24/2013 4:06:21 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Olog-hai

Exactly. They won’t even consider some vital tools in the war on terror, like focusing on the communities that produce 99% of terrorists. Yet, they expect us to give up our freedoms so they can use much more costly, less effective tools?

Sorry, no sale. Once I stop seeing TSA employees wearing headscarves and start seeing airline passengers in headscarves getting singled out rather than granny... once I see FBI infiltrators inside every mosque in the country, instead of inside every militia and patriot group... once I see the INS crack down on violators as quickly and harshly as the IRS cracks down on violators... then we can talk about why you need to read my emails and listen to my phone calls.


21 posted on 07/24/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Wise words indeed my friend..


22 posted on 07/24/2013 4:12:24 PM PDT by StraysDaddy
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To: Olog-hai; Spok
Spok ~ It’s like Nazi Germany; associating with the wrong people, even accidentally, can be a death sentence.

The "an essay" monitors a suspect, everyone he talks to on the phone, everyone who talks to anyone he's talked to on the phone, everyone who talks to anyone they've talked to on the phone, and everyone who talks to anyone they've talked to on the phone.

They call these "hops".

Citizen-suspect call out for pizza. Anyone else who calls the same pizza parlor is now a suspect, as are ALL of their friends, if one of them calls out for Chinese, anyone else who calls "The Peking Moon" becomes a suspect, along with all of their contacts!

That's only four "hops"...

23 posted on 07/24/2013 4:23:50 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: KC Burke

Regarding your point about politically connected contractors and consultants being given access to abuse the system, I think it’s good to remember who some of those contractors are. Back during the ‘08 election cycle, there was a security breach in the confidential State Department passport databases, when the employees of an “outside contractor” illegally accessed the records of McCain, Obama, and Clinton. Officially, those employees were just fooling around, independently, and they were terminated when their employer found out. Whether or not you believe the official story is the whole story is a matter for everyone to decide for themselves.

The interesting thing, to me, is that their employer was a consulting group owned by John Brennan, obviously a highly politically connected Democrat operative, who just happens to have been appointed director of the CIA. So not only are political operatives getting contracts to handle sensitive things for all sorts of agencies, but those same operatives can end up running the agencies themselves.

In the end, all these agencies answer to the President, the biggest political operative of them all. If he decides to push an agenda, he can fill the internal posts with all of his loyal soldiers, so cutting out the contractors is just a stopgap. We really need, I think, some better oversight over all these agencies that deal with classified information. I’m not sure what kind of oversight will work, but the systems we have in place don’t seem to be working.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 4:24:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Olog-hai

Damn... I am just going to have to self censor myself again.

LLS


25 posted on 07/24/2013 4:27:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Iron Munro

Don’t forget Veterans.

LLS


26 posted on 07/24/2013 4:30:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: KC Burke

my friend i believe you have outlined a good approach and defined many of the current problems...thanks for your input


27 posted on 07/24/2013 4:32:21 PM PDT by ldish (The Impeachment process should be already be well underway...but trust me it will never be started!)
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To: null and void

“That’s only four “hops”...”

Man, Kevin Bacon’s NSA file must be HUGE!


28 posted on 07/24/2013 4:32:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: null and void

During the lengthy Joseph Stalin reign of terror in the Soviet Union, shops sold address books, but nobody puchased them. Reason being that if you were arrested, everyone in your contact book was arrested too. So everyone just kept details regarding their personal contacts and aquaintances in their heads.


29 posted on 07/24/2013 4:35:34 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Boogieman

LOL!


30 posted on 07/24/2013 4:35:40 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: ldish

You are welcome. We are getting way too knee-jeck in some of our comments (I have been as guilty as the next guy) and we need to increase the critical analysis and comment that used to be more frequent on the site.

I’m am going to do my best to not lambast anyone making a thoughtful analytic comment.


31 posted on 07/24/2013 4:43:05 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: null and void

And if anyone calls their Congressman, the entire Government is terrorists and must be monitored.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Who needs a constitution anyway.


32 posted on 07/24/2013 4:45:13 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

All the congresscritters have already been castrated by the files the “an essay” has painstakingly accumulated on every single one of them.

Why else would ALL of them be so quiet, compliant and complicit?


33 posted on 07/24/2013 4:50:27 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Boogieman

Well stated and right on the money!


34 posted on 07/24/2013 4:59:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: KC Burke
You do realize that this clapper character has committed perjury and lied to Congress?
35 posted on 07/24/2013 5:10:52 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yes and he should be made to account and pay for such.

That accounting should not be sledge hammer gutting of his department without carefully targeting vast cuts to impact the problem areas.

We have spent huge treasure on our defense and intelligence which should not be squandered just because we can’t make the bad political operatives accountable. We should examine how and where they channel their abuses and cut those arms off but leave the legs intact. We may need them.


36 posted on 07/24/2013 5:40:28 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: cripplecreek; Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.
[snip] an amendment by Republican Rep. Justin Amash that would end the statutory authority under the USA PATRIOT Act [/snip]

37 posted on 07/24/2013 6:26:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Olog-hai

Why do we need the NSA?
WE have the FBI and the CIA, already.
As demonstrated on TV shows, (where else would somebody get such an original idea, these days?), we have all those different military CSI groups.
Isn’t that enough agencies?


38 posted on 07/24/2013 7:54:24 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: null and void

You got that right. I remember when the republicans were going to give Clinton the trash can he deserved, till Clinton got a hold of their FBI files. Then it was Crickets.

Clearly criminals have usurped our government.


39 posted on 07/25/2013 7:08:27 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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