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Pope Francis in Brazil: don't legalise drugs. Trendy politicians won't like this at all
The Telegraph ^ | 7/25/2013 | Colin Freeman

Posted on 07/25/2013 3:03:09 AM PDT by markomalley

A papal visit is usually a good thing for Latin American leaders, a chance to bask in the Pontiff's halo a bit and distract their largely Catholic voters from their usual woes of poverty, debt, and lousy government. The latest visit by Pope Francis to Brazil is no exception in that regard, although he chucked a bit of a spanner in the works last night with his comments on drug legalisation.

A growing chorus of Latin American leaders have been calling for the decriminalisation of drugs in the last couple of years, arguing that it is the only way to end the drug wars that are now claiming thousands of lives a year in Mexico and central America. Among those who back some kind of rethink is the Pope's fellow Argentinian, President Cristina Kirchner, who says that addicts shouldn't be treated as criminals. And while the argument has support among some on the political Right too, it has a particular appeal among "Chavista" types, who point out the drug wars are ultimately the fault of those greedy, coke-snorting gringos further north.

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However, in his comments yesterday while visiting a crack cocaine clinic in Rio, Pope Francis made it clear that he didn't agree. “A reduction in the spread and influence of drug addiction will not be achieved by a liberalisation of drug use, as is currently being proposed in various parts of Latin America,” he said. Instead, he said, it was necessary to confront the underlying problems of drug use, “educating young people in the values that build up life in society”.

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To: ArrogantBustard
If you have not the skill to differentiate the uses of herbs, You should leave salad making up to professionals!

Take away what God himself has given. Do you not fear nor respect him?

21 posted on 07/25/2013 12:55:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: ansel12

Apparently you will not read nor comprehend the Word of God.


22 posted on 07/25/2013 12:56:24 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist

So ... you eatin’ that salad or not?


23 posted on 07/25/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
>"So ... you eatin’ that salad or not?"

You made it YOU EAT IT!

I on the other hand do know the difference between toxic and NON TOXIC plants!

Do you not know? He made all things with a purpose.

I'd rather trust his medicine than the rat poisons the FDA offers!

24 posted on 07/25/2013 1:06:09 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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Did I say offers??

Silly me. I meant leaves you no choice at the point of a gun!

25 posted on 07/25/2013 1:07:17 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist
You made it YOU EAT IT!

ROFL!!!

I'm not the one who thinks every 'herb that bears seeds' is edible.

I'd rather trust his medicine than the rat poisons the FDA offers!

Have fun storming the castle.

26 posted on 07/25/2013 1:16:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ansel12
This is a thread about the Pope discussing drugs. I'm NOT “pro-crack” or “pro-drug” or for “liberlizing drug use”.

I'm simply stating the facts of how pointless and corrupting a supply-side drug war is and how it ROBS ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS. And even if we handed away all of our freedoms, drug abuse would STILL continue.

ALL it does is increase profits for violent criminals, increase corruption and enlists an army of addicts to steal from us.

Now, dont call me a doper and explain what should be done. Even the death penalty doesnt work for reasons I explained in post 10. I'm all ears, FRiend...

27 posted on 07/25/2013 1:19:45 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Yeah, Ted Kennedy was personally opposed to abortion, he just wanted it legal, and he argued for legalization of the thing that he was opposed to.


28 posted on 07/25/2013 3:08:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
What are you talking about?

IF it was possible to reduce drug abuse without sacrificing our God-given rights, I would be for prohibition. But it's NOT possible and prohibition has done NOTHING but make certain people rich at the expense of ALL our property and rights.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean there needs to be a law against it. ALL laws have unintended consequences and the WOD probably came with the worst.

Again, entire nations are under the control of the illegal drug industry because prohibition makes these otherwise worthless chemicals more valuable than gold.

29 posted on 07/25/2013 4:04:37 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I think that we can find a way to enforce laws against child porn, drugs, counterfeiting, sex trafficking, child sex, and so on.


30 posted on 07/25/2013 4:13:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ArrogantBustard
>"I'm not the one who thinks every 'herb that bears seeds' is edible.

Yet you "ASS u Me" I do?

There are more forms of slavery than openly meet the eye.

Unjust incarceration is a BIG ONE! How do you justify enslaving your brother for a flower?

31 posted on 07/25/2013 5:26:54 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: ansel12
Drugs are a unique case due to complete lack of a victim to report the crime. Less than 1% of drug sales are impacted by law enforcement. A far smaller percentage of drug use is detected by law enforcement.

Many drugs can be made by one person and sold for more than their weight in gold. Online sales of drugs are skyrocketing due to encryption. There is absolutely NO WAY you can put a dent in a market so easy, so secret and so profitable without creating a police state with no privacy rights.

Even then, the market price will go high enough to simply pay off law enforcement and politicians. It is literally more profitable than growing money on trees. If you've been paying attention, you'd see some of the highest levels of our government have been obviously bought by the Sinaloa cartel. There is so much money involved that it is more difficult for dealers to hide the money than the drugs.

The end result of any attempts to increase this war will be a police state with absolutely no reduction in drug use and more profit for dealers. Is that what you want?

32 posted on 07/25/2013 9:31:33 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

LOL, you pro-dope guys can go on forever with the nonsense, in your drive to remove the obstacles to drugs overwhelming America.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
I'm simply explaining the uncontrollable market forces and futility of drug enforcement as we know it. You also obviously cannot comprehend the quantity and power of the money involved.

With a supply side WOD, drugs WILL overwhelm America. You really think the purpose of this “war” is to actually reduce drug use?

The true purpose is to control the market by being able to destroy competitors at will. The “right” people will ALWAYS continue to sell drugs unimpeded.

Not only that. The money is also used to promote drug use through media. Why do you think we have nonsense “antidrug” campaigns that are stupid and subconsciously encourage drug use? These campaigns are no different from “sex ed”- a way to get kids interested early.

The entire WOD is a lie and a complete failure at everything it was “supposed” to do. But it was a complete success at increasing drug profits and sales to the point where cartels have global power. We spent $1 Trillion of taxpayer money and drugs are now more available and more pure than ever.

Don't believe me? Dress up and walk into a nice club in a major city. The dealers will be wearing $5000 suits and will hand you their business card. Any drug you want will be delivered to your door faster than pizza. All of these drug rings give kickbacks to police and have their own “territory” that they bid for. Police take care of the competition to keep profit sky high.

The cartels do the exact same thing but on a global level with billions of dollars.

Wake up and look at the big picture, FRiend

34 posted on 07/25/2013 10:26:58 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: ansel12
>"in your drive to remove the obstacles to drugs overwhelming America."

Your WOD sure worked pretty well with Trademark and Rochell.

The do gooder FASCISTS claim it's all the herbs fault. Well it's NOT. If tradymark could have been allowed to have a flower garden, he would have developed an interest in AGRICULTURE! (just horrible.... shudder....) Go ahead and tell me he wouldn't have!

He would not have turned to LEGAL DRUG USE! His drug of choice was a LEGAL ONE!

Legal drugs have created a DEADLY NEW ENTERPRISE to skirt prohibition laws.

LEGAL DRUGS Zombie drugs! Every day a new powder/incense/bath salt with a different formula comes out JUST BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION! Cough medicine abuse. Tylenol POISONING!

You blame the flower, but it was the individual! It's ALWAYS up to the INDIVIDUAL. Declaring WAR against your brother does NOT CHANGE THE FACT "It's ALWAYS up to the INDIVIDUAL.". Even limiting his choices to POISON do not change that fact!

Cannabis is NOT A VIOLENT DRUG! It is more of a sedative relaxant pain reliever. It cost almost nothing to produce, and just about everyone can produce it. Yet the POISON PILL PRODUCERS have jinked your brain into trusting them instead of our Father in Heaven.

God gives freedom! Man gives death and slavery.

Choose wisely, choose life!

35 posted on 07/25/2013 11:10:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist

pot is just as bad as any of them, mainly because they get convinced its harmless by liberaltopian freaks


36 posted on 07/25/2013 11:14:57 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: varyouga

You really do sound like a stoner with all your made up gibberish.


37 posted on 07/25/2013 11:52:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I’m convinced that you do some LSD as well, judging from that post.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 11:53:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
ohn 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

What, or Who's in your heart? Brother.

39 posted on 07/26/2013 12:29:28 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: GeronL
>pot is just as bad "

Really? How do you know? Are you ...... one of them??????

Either you speak out of the knowledge of experience, or .....you don't really know. Just what you've been told.

God doesn't really mean what he said. Does he?

Whom do you trust?

40 posted on 07/26/2013 12:37:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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