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Which State Has the Most Self-Reliant People?
Townhall.com ^ | July 15, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 07/25/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

Back in 2010, I put together a “Moocher Index” as a rough measure of which states had the highest levels of welfare dependency after adjusting for poverty rates.

My goal was to answer this question.

Is there a greater willingness to sign up for income redistribution programs, all other things being equal, from one state to another?

It turned out that there were huge differences among states. Nearly 18 percent of non-poor Vermont residents were utilizing one or more welfare programs, putting them at the top of the Moocher Index.

In Nevada, by contrast, less the 4 percent of non-poor residents had their snouts in the public trough.

Does this mean Nevada residents are more self-reliant and Vermont residents are culturally statist?

To be perfectly frank, I don’t know, in part because the Moocher Index was an indirect measure of attitudes about dependency.

So I was very interested when I came across some state-by-state numbersfrom the Department of Agriculture showing food stamp participation compared to food stamp eligibility.

Food Stamp Participation Rate

There are some clear similarities between these food stamp numbers and the Moocher Index. Maine and Vermont are in the top 3 of both lists, which doesn’t reflect well on people from that part of the country.

And Nevada and Colorado are in the bottom 10 of both lists.

But there’s no consistent pattern. Mississippi and Hawaii are in the top 10 of the Moocher Index but bottom 10 for food stamp utilization.

What really stands out, though, is that the people of California win the prize for self reliance, at least with regard to food stamps. Only 55 percent of eligible people from the Golden State have signed up for the program. Doesn’t make sense when you look at some of the crazy things that are approved by California voters, but I assume the numbers are accurate.

I’m also surprised that folks from New Jersey are relatively unlikely to utilize food stamps.

On the other hand, why are Tennessee residents so willing to use my wallet to buy food?

As you can see from the map, they not only have a very high participation/eligibility rate, but also have one of the highest overall levels of food stamp dependency.

Oregon, not surprisingly, always does poorly, whether we’re looking at a map or a list.

Let’s close with a few real-world examples of what we’re getting in exchange for the tens of billions of dollars that are being spent each year for food stamps.

With stories like this, I’m surprised my head didn’t explode during this debate I did on Larry Kudlow’s show.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: top10; welfarestate

1 posted on 07/25/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well this blows a hole in the left’s assertion that Red states are the moochers. Often states like Alabama (toothless rednecks like me) are blamed as being welfare queens (and Kings).


2 posted on 07/25/2013 8:08:53 AM PDT by BO Stinkss (RINOs suck)
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To: Kaslin

My rub I have with this is the amount of illegals that will skew the numbers. Maine does not have the illegal problem that say Texas or other more southern states have that add to this index. You remove the illegals and their citizen anchor family the numbers would be a lot different in some states.


3 posted on 07/25/2013 8:09:33 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Kaslin
New England people are well educated moochers so leave fewer available dollars for mooching unconsumed.

Had a vendor from Massachusetts treat me to lunch a couple of months ago. If you think mooching in your state is bad, he told me about a lady there who broke down a machine which returned cash for aluminum cans. Seems she was too lazy to even drink the contents of the cans first. At least our slackards in Pennsylvania will do that much.

4 posted on 07/25/2013 8:10:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Resolute Conservative

What about the terrorists who sneak in with the illegals through the tunnels from Mexico? Does that not concern you?


5 posted on 07/25/2013 8:14:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

‘What really stands out, though, is that the people of California win the prize for self reliance, at least with regard to food stamps. Only 55 percent of eligible people from the Golden State have signed up for the program. Doesn’t make sense when you look at some of the crazy things that are approved by California voters, but I assume the numbers are accurate.”

Actually you have to read all the foot notes on all pages. Then you learn that Calif gives out state food funds to 1.3 million and those people were not included in the numbers since they receive state food stamps and not USDA food stamps.

I was happy and surprised to see Texas ranked so low. I can tell you, from an observational point people are starving here.

But I am guessing 0dumbo, who HATES Texas will spend money advertising here to get more people/ votes signed up


6 posted on 07/25/2013 8:32:45 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Kaslin

I get what this guy is trying to do, but, quite frankly, his methodology for the “Moocher Index” is rubbish. All he did was subtract the percentage of a state’s population that is below the poverty line from the percentage of the state’s population that receives public benefits. The obvious problem with this approach is that, while the official “poverty line” is uniform accross the country, the eligibility rules for public benefits are often adjusted to account for cost-of-living differences between certain areas. The failure of the “Moocher Index” calculation to adjust for this effect renders the number essentially meaningless.


7 posted on 07/25/2013 8:33:52 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Kaslin

What’s the state Motto,,”Live for Free or die”?


8 posted on 07/25/2013 8:35:48 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RWGinger

I mean people are NOT starving in Texas


9 posted on 07/25/2013 8:36:19 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Kaslin

I’m thinking, to explain California’s relatively fewer moochers, that maybe the rural poor don’t do food stamps as much because it is not as easy to get over to wherever you sign up?
Also, good produce and staples are not that expensive, compared to some place like Maine that is nowhere near where it is actually grown.

We’d have a lot less poverty in California if the farmers were allowed some water again. The last time I drove on I-5 in the central valley, there were acres and acres of dead orchards.


10 posted on 07/25/2013 8:42:20 AM PDT by married21
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To: Kaslin

Yes, but I don’t see your correlation. I am speaking of not counting illegals when tallying welfare recipients since they are here illegally anyway, in the context of labeling a state a moocher state or not.


11 posted on 07/25/2013 8:50:23 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Kaslin

All of them do...outside any city.


12 posted on 07/25/2013 8:51:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: RWGinger

Whew - I was just going to ask you about that - the other reason that I don’t see mentioned anywhere is that people are no longer asked to prove their income to qualify.


13 posted on 07/25/2013 8:59:48 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Kaslin
Nevada, arguably the nation’s most libertarian state

Is that why they keep electing Reid?

14 posted on 07/25/2013 9:10:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Kaslin
On the other hand, why are Tennessee residents so willing to use my wallet to buy food?

Read an article about a dead beat dad who resides in TN. He has 22 children by 14 women ... costing TN over $7,000 a month.

15 posted on 07/25/2013 9:12:46 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Kaslin

I was just wondering if union membership is factored into charts like this? Unions mooch in other ways than EBT cards. There’s a great article on Am Thinker about Detroit that is very different than many of the articles I’ve read about why it’s going under. Worth the read - How Detroit Almost Killed My Business - if you haven’t done so.


16 posted on 07/25/2013 9:17:18 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: Kaslin
Two of the states in the map, Louisiana and Mississippi, are 49th and 50th in education out of the 50 states.

I don't know if either New Mexico or Tennessee might be in the high 40's (45-48) for education.

Having an educational system that is considered one of the worst in the country (Louisiana and Mississippi) is never a good sign.

Louisiana has suffered for political corruption for decades... So it will take time to overcame that as well.

17 posted on 07/25/2013 10:09:58 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The number of illegals in Texas is multiplying every day. We’re having to build new school campuses constantly resulting in higher school tax. Our senior in HS kid stopped by his middle school one day and was shocked at how many more Mexicans were there just since he’d been there.


18 posted on 07/25/2013 10:15:35 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: BluH2o

The dead beat dad of 22 kids is getting his own tv show. Maybe he’ll be able to get off the dole. BTW, I will NOT be watching.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/22904815/father-of-22-by-14-women-may-get-reality-show


19 posted on 07/25/2013 10:20:29 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Kaslin

With gladness, I note that Indiana is WAY down the list!

With sadness, I note that NO state is LESS THAN 50%.

Well; it was fun while it lasted; but pull the lever a second time so this thing will finally flush.


20 posted on 07/25/2013 11:51:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sioux-san

I am pretty sure that on the forms they fill out their income and assets are asked for

What likely does not happen is that those numbers are verified.

I know the state of Texas app calls for income etc verification
but I would be surprised is anyone checks


21 posted on 07/25/2013 1:43:08 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: married21

NO
if you read the link it states that Calif gives state food stamps to over 1.3 million
and that 1.3 million people is not included in the YSDa number

so you are getting hosed twice, once with taxes to Fed to pay for food stamps
and again with your state taxes.


22 posted on 07/25/2013 1:45:47 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Kaslin; wardaddy
On the other hand, why are Tennessee residents so willing to use my wallet to buy food?

One word: Memphis!

23 posted on 07/25/2013 1:48:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it Punks?)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Good point. I wonder if the illegals - in ANY state - are counted in this data/chart. Who is considered "poor" and/or "eligible"?

Something about this info doesn't seem right.

24 posted on 07/25/2013 1:49:42 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Kaslin
What about the terrorists who sneak in with the illegals through the tunnels from Mexico? Does that not concern you?

Everybody is concerned, but Bush, Obama, Congress, and the governors of the border states aren't all that concerned. They must know something we don't. Or their donors want them to look the other way, or even try and push an amnesty program.

Now when that amnesty that Bush and McCain and Kennedy wanted back in 2006 or 2007, when we get Obama's version of that shortly, thanks to McCain and the other spineless Republicans, you're going to see these charts on moochers change quite a bit. Not only are they going to come in and depress our wages, or at least the wages of unskilled Americans, but their families are going to be legally living high on the government dole.
25 posted on 07/25/2013 2:24:00 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: RWGinger

I guess it really depends what state you live in as to how well financial docs are checked. It seems like this runs very deep in the fraud and corruption. Here is an interesting analysis - check out JP Morgan’s involvement & the Soda pop companies — give me a break.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/05/Corporate-Cronyism-and-the-Food-Stamp-Army


26 posted on 07/25/2013 3:04:25 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: RWGinger

Bummer. Thought I had caught a whiff of something positive there. Guess not.


27 posted on 07/25/2013 3:22:47 PM PDT by married21
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To: married21

sorry
isn’t it interesting that YOU thought it would have been a good thing if Calif ranked low in the participation rate
but liberals and 0dumbo would have been upset since they know using OUR money to give freebies to others gets them votes


28 posted on 07/25/2013 3:25:14 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: topher

Both states have very high populations of African Americans. I know I am racist to point this out, but just as blacks make up a disproportionate number of criminals, so do they too consume welfare and other government handouts, as well as do poorly in school.

I wish is was not so, and would like to see them all do better, especially in education, but the culture is that doing well in school = acting white, and those who do so are pariahs among their peers.


29 posted on 07/25/2013 3:34:05 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: bgill

Yes, we are grooming the future Democrat voter base in TX, but maybe Greg Abbott will still win in 2014.


30 posted on 07/26/2013 4:07:25 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, except for six women in Sanford, FL, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Alas Babylon!
Not racist. How these African-Americans and poor white share croppers were oppressed until the 1960's is a major part of that problem.

Southern Democrats are to blame, in my opinion

I would consider it more the plantation aspect of these states.

Most these people have been neglected since the Civil War.

The Segregation imposed on the South by the Southern Democratic Party made things even worse.

White sharecroppers were another part of this formula.

There have been some good movies about the plight of sharecroppers (1950's or 1960's movies, that is).

There were some poor whites. But part of this was the oppression of Southern African-Americans at the hands of the Southern Democrats.

Eisenhower and JFK Sr made strides to stop this oppression.

31 posted on 07/26/2013 6:21:47 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

True, but you’ve basically stopped your analysis in the late ‘60s.

The South has moved on considerably since then, making great strides as well.

There are no longer racist cops and rednecks cruising about ready to harass or lynch blacks. I’m not saying you said that, but that is an impression many people believe about the South in those previous times and even today. It did occur, yes, and once is too many times, but it wasn’t an everyday occurrence and many whites where VERY offended by any of it.

But still, let’s get back to the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. Great, God-is-Awesome things happened in the 60s and we really made more progress in the 1970s. Then something happened in the 1980s. Crack cocaine and the culture of drugs and the drug dealers. Rap and then hip-hop came out on top of that. This became a culture, and that culture destroyed and is destroying the Black race. Companies are always on the lookout for qualified Blacks to work for them yet few get the education to become that qualified employee. It is a choice THEY made. No whites are holding them down at all. My God! All they have to do is make it happen, and they’re in like Flint. But few do. Why?

Is it the past? If so, NOTHING can change the PAST. Only moving on is possible, or wallow in self-pity over past events. Past events, which are becoming so ancient that anyone even remotely responsible for them, even white Southern Racist democrats of yore, are dead.

And saying Whites have it made and continue to do so on the past triumphs of racism and don’t even realize it just DOESN’T cut it. Come on, ALL whites? I know plenty of poor ones—I used to be one—still am in some ways—and NO ONE has given me a leg up on anything! I’ve been screwed many a time, but each time I’ve picked myself up and moved on. In fact, I’m doing that right now after suffering huge loses both professionally and personally this year. It’s all a man (read HUMAN) can do.

Isn’t generalizations of your race bad? Why generalize mine? Every time I hear, You whites this and you whites that... And I hear this a lot, I tune out. I’m not that white guy. I’m me. find out what I really think and believe BEFORE you think you’ve figured me out due to my skin color. Isn’t that exactly what Dr. King was after, after all?

So how does an individual of this race, trapped in a violent, no good culture, one that looks down on honest work and education, succeed? Firstly, they must reject the culture!

Blaming YT is not going to change a thing except maybe get you MORE dependent on YT through his government and handouts.

Get off your ass and move on is my advice. Anything else simply won’t work


32 posted on 07/26/2013 8:47:54 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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