Skip to comments.Getting the lead out, literally: U.S. Army plans switch to ‘green’ bullets
Posted on 07/25/2013 8:04:26 AM PDT by kimtom
The U.S. Army is taking the expression get the lead out quite literally and switching to lead-free, environmentally-friendly bullets.
The Armys Picatinny Arsenal is working on a green version of the M80A1 7.62 mm bullet, which troops are supposed to start being issued in 2014, according to an Army press release.
The Army has been looking to green small caliber ammo for some time now. In 2010, the Army switched to the greener 5.56 mm M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round. The EPR replaces the lead slug with a copper slug, said Lt. Col. Phil Clark, product manager for small caliber ammunition in the Program Executive Officer Ammunition. This makes the projectile environmentally-friendly, while still giving soldiers the performance capabilities they need on the battlefield. So far we have eliminated 1,994 metric tons of lead from 5.56 ammunition production.
Thirty-two grains of lead are eliminated per M855A1 projectile, and 114.5 grains of lead will be eliminated per M80A1 projectile, according to the Army.
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"this is what we've been asking for!!" A real effective fighting force: (sarc)
This of course will lower the ballistic Coefficient of the round making it less accurate and shorter ranged.
Will this double or triple the cost of Ammo ?
Copper is expensive, why not use a zink aluminum alloy? Maybe a copper jacket over cast iron would work out better?
Copper sells for several times more per pound vs. lead.
Not only is it stupid to seek green ammo ... but, even if environmentally-friendly ammunition were your cause-of-choice, lead bullets aren’t even near the top of the list. Don’t they use depleted uranium anti-tank shells and cluster munitions?
If we started a rumor that all our bullets are coated with a pig-fat based lubricant, we would have to use a lot less of them
I don't give a damn about another country's "environment" when they have done something, anything that draws our troops there. F'em.
As long as the bullets incorporate a pork based lubricant, I’m fine with it.
Yes they do, and the eco-nazis, the pacifists and other similar riff-raff whine and cry about it.
Well in another green initiative, they are replacing Marines with Gays. Marines are defiantly not environmentally friendly.
The part of the military that has and deserves respect is the solder/airman/sailer.
The part of the military that deserves derision and scorn is the “leadership” comprised of rank and status seeking poorly educated politican generals and admirals - few, of any - who think of anything other than the latest politically correct move.
They - as their leader the Obamadork - are scum.
War isn’t something where we worry about being “green”
How green was Germany when we finished with it, or Korea.
I wonder if the 1.6 Billion bullets ordered for the IRS, and Social Security administration are “green” They are for killing Americans not for the enemy.
Not to mention the cost enhancement.
They could replace the lead core with Fruit Cake DC has plenty
Good point. Let’s start that rumor about bullets being coated with pig fat.
We have seen people getting killed over false rumors that the Koran was flushed down a toilet. So let’s start this rumor, and give the Muslims something to think about.
What do they care? It's only our money.
If this is true, then why in the heck have all the governmental agencies from HLS to the IRS been buying up all the ammo. Are they going to chuck all of that into the Potomac now? So they can use these green turd bullets? You know this crap has been in the pipeline for a couple of years now.
HLS to the IRS been buying up all the ammo..”
green ammo is less likely to be effective against THEM!!!
Lead bullets are NOT the same type of lead say, in lead paint that people freak about. This is complete BS. It's a fallacy.
I repeat: This is Step 3 of the deliberate sabotage of our military.
So? I’ve known for the last forty years that the anti-lead panic was really to ban ammo.
For those interested, the FRENCH used solid bronze bullets about 100 years ago.
What’s next, GREEN Nuclear weapons? Geeez!
It doesn’t matter anyway. When the o finishes there will be less than one hundred infantry men/women/its left in the Army anyhow...and they can throw their powder puffs at the enemy.
I’m curious. What happens to a tree if a copper bullet lodges in it?
I think what the military is doing is a mistake, and a waste of copper, but the Barnes bullets I use for hunting give up nothing to lead. The Triple Shocks, with the three recessed rings, get better velocity with lighter loads than conventional lead bullets. I also use lighter grain weights with the copper bullets to avoid over penetration, and to get good expansion. That probably wouldn’t be a consideration for military purposes.
Agreed. An idiotic choice that will also affect performance majorly.
I’ve been trying to start that rumor for years with no success
Even tried to leak fake (but accurate) news stories
But it’s still fun to try
A copper-cored bullet has what plants crave: electrolytes.
Does anyone here think the Russians or chinee are concerned with “green” or a kinder gentler enviro encounter as they slaughter us? This is insanity defined. Under this kind of thinking, nukes are “environmentally unfriendly” ... no shiiite, buckwheat— war is, too!!
When I was a little boy we used to take a wooden match, cut the head off and replace it with a needle. We’d cut cross slots in the other end and attach two little paper fins. We could make those for them to throw in place of grenades. As long as they said, “Watch out for your eyes,” as they did it.
Great idea. Copper bullets. And now all the meth heads will be stealing them to sell for their habit.
This means the end of lead bullets, and the start of civilian ammo costing 5x what it does now, based on the price of copper vs lead.
Hard to hand-cast copper.
They will throw foul smelling used condoms at the enemy.
How about tungsten? Heavier and harder?
Besides keeping the battlefield green, these rounds will also avoid lead poisoning of enemy combatants when we shoot them.
Rumor is the development of new “nerf” bombs.
New etiquette training will also be enforced such as no profanity by service people and scheduling appointments for drone attacks.
No, it makes it quite a bit more accurate. Using a bullet core that is essentially the same density as the jacket negates the consequences of jacket sidewall variations in thickness. Dr. Mann's "X-Factor" is thereby eliminated.
No. Only the bullet component of the ammunition has a very slight cost increase. That has very small effect upon the total packaged ammunition cost.
This is how our next war is going to be fought:
Chinese Soldier: Got any queens?
American Soldier: You homophobe... No, go fish.
Chinese Soldier: Fished a queen and he looks fabulous!
American Soldier: You are so silly. Like my khaki scarf? It’s Halston.
American President to Generals: Looks like Brucey lost Taiwan.
Your position is very short sighted. The ammo is green so that it can be used domestically for training. It doesn’t make sense to inventory two different rounds.
Read up on Ballistic Coefficient.
Yep. Idiocracy. We’re living in one.