Skip to comments.The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides(dealing with a backstabber)
Posted on 07/25/2013 8:41:03 AM PDT by amnestynone
The voters who were drawn to John S. McCain in his run for the Republican presidential nomination this year often cited, as the core of his appeal, his openness and blunt candor and willingness to admit past lapses and release documents that other senators often hold back. These qualities also seemed to endear McCain to the campaign press corps, many of whom wrote about how refreshing it was to travel on the McCain campaign bus, The Straight Talk Express, and observe a maverick speaking his mind rather than a traditional candidate given to obfuscation and spin.
But there was one subject that was off-limits, a subject the Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for. Since McCain himself, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career. Critics say his anti-disclosure campaign, in close cooperation with the Pentagon and the intelligence community, has been successful. Literally thousands of documents that would otherwise have been declassified long ago have been legislated into secrecy.
For example, all the Pentagon debriefings of the prisoners who returned from Vietnam are now classified and closed to the public under a statute enacted in the 1990s with McCains backing. He says this is to protect the privacy of former POWs and gives it as his reason for not making public his own debriefing.
But the law allows a returned prisoner to view his own file or to designate another person to view it. APBnews.com has repeatedly asked the senator for an interview for this article and for permission to view his debriefing documents. He has not responded. His office did recently send APBnews.com an e-mail, referring to a favorable article about the senator in the Jan. 1 issue of Newsweek. In the article, the reporter, Michael Isikoff, says that he was allowed to review McCains debriefing report and that it contained nothing incriminating although in a phone interview Isikoff acknowledged that there were redactions in the document. Isikoff declined to say who showed him the document, but APBnews.com has learned it was McCain.
Many Vietnam veterans and former POWs have fumed at McCain for keeping these and other wartime files sealed up. His explanation, offered freely in Senate hearings and floor speeches, is that no one has been proven still alive and that releasing the files would revive painful memories and cause needless emotional stress to former prisoners, their families and the families of MIAs still unaccounted for. But what if some of these returned prisoners, as has always been the case at the conclusion of wars, reveal information to their debriefing officers about other prisoners believed still held in captivity? What justification is there for filtering such information through the Pentagon rather than allowing access to source materials? For instance, debriefings from returning Korean war POWs, available in full to the American public, have provided both citizens and government investigators with important information about other Americans who went missing in that conflict.
Would not most families of missing men, no matter how emotionally drained, want to know? And would they not also want to know what the government was doing to rescue their husbands and sons? Hundreds of MIA families have for years been questioning if concern for their feelings is the real reason for the secrecy.
I am suspicious of this dude.
How can a former POW backstab his country?
If the way he has turned on his own party is any example...........
The bottom line is that McCain is a disturbed, failed man. His endless bizarre attempts to entangle the United States in fruitless foreign adventures and his need for publicity is pathological.
I cannot imagine John NcCain ever doing anything that was not of benefit to him.
MeCain has been “crossing the isle” for a long, long time!
is he helped Sara burst onto the national political stage....”
unintentional, he forbade his team to focus on Huusain
When will he cross the isle to conservatives, I wonder?
I’ve always been suspicious of Juan.
His ‘career’ consisted of crashing planes while hotdogging it and then crashing his plane and letting them take him prisoner.
His combat activity was practically nil. But he used his navy hitch to wedge himself into politics. He is what I call a ‘hoarse whisperer’ because he’s difficult to hear and after you do hear him you are unable to understand what he’s saying.
He is worse than a RINO as he doesn’t even make a pretense.
He is a NWO traitor.
He flies his senate responsibilities the same way he flew the airplanes he was responsible for.
Show him the "Queen of Hearts" and see what happens.
I remember when he and John Kerry were sent to VietNam to look for POW’s and MIA’s.
They were wined and dined and found nothing, but a trade agreement with the Viet Cong.
I haven’t trusted the man since then. Anyone friends with John Kerry is untrustworthy, including the 46 Republican Senators who voted to make him Secretary of State.
I never knew this...it gives more credence to something fishy that went on during his time in Vietnam.
Manchurian Candidate..blackmailed by someone ..I dont know...
but he is no friend to true republicans
He is a NWO traitor.
And don't forget -- McCain also inexplicably sandbagged his own Presidential campaign just as he'd caught up with the Marxist in the polls back in 2008.
The man is a disgrace and traitor to all truth.
Also, if memory serves, didn't he disavow introductory remarks made by Billy Cunningham at a McCain rally, in which Cunningham referred to obama as barack hussain obama?
Nothing that any one says or suggests about McShamey surprises me
Look if you DO NOT know what the HELL you are talking about concerning MacPain’s Combat Record then SHUT THE HELL UP. He DID NOT “crash” his plane while “Hotdogging”(when he was taken as a POW)it. Making up things does NO GOOD for the cause. MacPain was put in as a A/C “Spare” (probably after “begging” his squadron’s scheduling Officer to be put in on a mission. On the mission that he was shot down he had formed up(under orders) on his flight lead and was “circling” the target area looking at/for damage/Targets of Opportunity when a N. VN Sam missile malfunctioned and blew up some distance BEHIND MacPain’s A-4 Skyhawk Light Attack Jet and blew the tail off. MacPain ejected was injured in the ejection and landed in a N. VN swampy area(and further injured) and was captured(and held as a N. VN “trophy”) until 1973.
Raymond Shaw, er I mean John McCain is an enemy agent. In that context his political actions make perfect sense.
A moral compass that's completely out of kilter?
Seriously -- I don't believe the man has ever been stable. Before OR after his POW experience.
The uncomfortable truth: MOST of Congress experience the same psychosis. Ergo, a bunch of megalomaniacs, psychopaths and sociopaths to various degrees of overlap run the government. Half the citizenry are afflicted by the same mental illnesses.
(Sorry for my sun-shiny prognosis ;-)
Maybe because she has no more brains to drop?
McCain is bought and paid for by George Soros and he doesn’t do anything at all to hide that.
McCain is vermin. He was, is and ever shall be a shill for the clown in the White House. All I can say is the good people of Arizona should be ashamed for electing this creep to represent them.
Ha! A valid observation.
not revenge or hate but possibly he does not want his cooperation revealed. He may have compromised secrets that put many other Americans at risk. He may have even turned to endorse the communists and denounce the war.
the Vietnam war (police action) was obviously lost due to interference within our own government. There were 3 sides; the US military that wanted to win, the US government socialists that wanted us to lose, the US government and citizens that thought it was none of our business and we shouldn’t have even been involved.
Perhaps releasing too many of the records would allow the public to put the pieces together and see that we lost due to sabotage.
Maybe he was “progammed” in the “Hanoi Hilton” to behave “that” way. Remember Johnny Boy was an Admiral’s Grandkid and Kid so he probably(I surmise) did not have to endure alot of “trails” growing up so any hardship he had to endure in a POW Camp were magnified.
Isle is an island.
Kinda like Nick Brody in the Homeland TV series.
Wonder if the writers of that show were patterning it after McJuan?
One has to wonder that Obama didn’t find those and get them opened! He’s very good at that, you know!
Your assessment of this weasel is correct. Now if only the voters in Arizona would see the light.
I just received a private message from one of his fellow pilots who claimed the opposite of what you’ve shouted at me.
Look USN vet. I too am a vet and would appreciate it if you would just shut the hell up and refrain from ever responding to anything I’ve posted.
I doubt if you’ve ever seen any combat and doubt that you know a damned thing about this weasel’s combat record. So, I would say get lost and go back to your cushy goobermint job.
Oh, ‘vet’ one other thing.
During the course of his flying career with the U.S. Navy, John McCain was involved in at least five major mishaps or crashes involving his plane. The most dramatic incidents occurred in 1967.
Mystery has surrounded the precise circumstances of the three earlier incidents, and particularly an accident on March 12, 1960, while McCain was still in flight school at Corpus Christi in Texas. The McCain campaign has either ignored or failed to respond to requests by The Washington Post and other news organizations for the release of the candidate’s full military records, which could shed light on the accidents and the pilot’s personal involvement.
The official Navy report into the Corpus Christi accident on March 12, 1960, concludes that the AD-6 Skyraider trainer crashed because McCain failed to “maintain an airspeed above the stall speed.” It attributed the accident to “the preoccupation of the pilot coupled with a power setting too low to maintain level flight.” The single-engine prop plane sank to the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay. McCain was rescued by a helicopter after swimming to the surface.
McCain had another accident with a T-2 trainer jet in November 1965, while flying between New York City and Norfolk, Va. The Naval Aviation Safety Center was unable to determine the precise cause of the accident or the degree of pilot error. McCain wrote later that his engine “flamed out” and he had to eject.
In his autobiography, McCain recalls another mishap around December 1961 when “I knocked down some power lines while flying too low over southern Spain. My daredevil clowning had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes and created a small international incident.” He landed his Skyraider back on the USS Intrepid after the incident, which does not appear to have triggered a safety investigation.
McCain’s claim that he crashed into Corpus Christi Bay in December 1960 after his “engine quit” is a considerable stretch. U.S. Navy Safety records make clear that the plane crashed because his power setting was too low and he was failing to pay sufficient attention to his landing pattern.
THAT part is 100% true!
And there’s yet more, Vet, provided you understand what you read:
At the Academy, aside being known as a “rowdy, raunchy, underachiever” who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing “off-Yard activities” and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale’s Song, that “being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck.”
McCain’s grades were “marginal.” He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low “class standing,” and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.
Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:
He spent the next two and a half years as a “naval aviator in training” at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.
While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named “Marie the Flame of Florida.” Timberg wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”
McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft
McCain, the “below par” pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.
While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”
Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain’s grandfather.
In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.
Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.
The Navy dismissed the crash as “unavoidable” and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.
McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.
Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife
Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.
Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.
Timberg described McCain’s advancement: “in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path.”
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and “engage in extra-marital affairs.”
This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.
Timberg wrote, “Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain’s persona, impossible not to take note of.”
In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position “to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy’s Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn’t long before the “fun loving and irreverent” McCain had turned the liaison office into a “late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind.”
In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.
He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.
McCain ran for Arizona’s First Congressional District in 1982. McCain won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.
There were so many parts. Respond and comment, if you wish, after you’ve read this sorry-assed RINOs tarnished military record.
Did McShame crash his plane into CC bay in ‘58 or ‘60? Or both? Just clarifying.
I've often wondered and asked...why, AZ, why?