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The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides(dealing with a backstabber)
vvof ^ | unknwon | Sydney Schanberg

Posted on 07/25/2013 8:41:03 AM PDT by amnestynone

The voters who were drawn to John S. McCain in his run for the Republican presidential nomination this year often cited, as the core of his appeal, his openness and blunt candor and willingness to admit past lapses and release documents that other senators often hold back. These qualities also seemed to endear McCain to the campaign press corps, many of whom wrote about how refreshing it was to travel on the McCain campaign bus, “The Straight Talk Express,” and observe a maverick speaking his mind rather than a traditional candidate given to obfuscation and spin.

But there was one subject that was off-limits, a subject the Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about — his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for. Since McCain himself, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career. Critics say his anti-disclosure campaign, in close cooperation with the Pentagon and the intelligence community, has been successful. Literally thousands of documents that would otherwise have been declassified long ago have been legislated into secrecy.

For example, all the Pentagon debriefings of the prisoners who returned from Vietnam are now classified and closed to the public under a statute enacted in the 1990s with McCain’s backing. He says this is to protect the privacy of former POWs and gives it as his reason for not making public his own debriefing.

But the law allows a returned prisoner to view his own file or to designate another person to view it. APBnews.com has repeatedly asked the senator for an interview for this article and for permission to view his debriefing documents. He has not responded. His office did recently send APBnews.com an e-mail, referring to a favorable article about the senator in the Jan. 1 issue of Newsweek. In the article, the reporter, Michael Isikoff, says that he was allowed to review McCain’s debriefing report and that it contained “nothing incriminating” — although in a phone interview Isikoff acknowledged that “there were redactions” in the document. Isikoff declined to say who showed him the document, but APBnews.com has learned it was McCain.

Many Vietnam veterans and former POWs have fumed at McCain for keeping these and other wartime files sealed up. His explanation, offered freely in Senate hearings and floor speeches, is that no one has been proven still alive and that releasing the files would revive painful memories and cause needless emotional stress to former prisoners, their families and the families of MIAs still unaccounted for. But what if some of these returned prisoners, as has always been the case at the conclusion of wars, reveal information to their debriefing officers about other prisoners believed still held in captivity? What justification is there for filtering such information through the Pentagon rather than allowing access to source materials? For instance, debriefings from returning Korean war POWs, available in full to the American public, have provided both citizens and government investigators with important information about other Americans who went missing in that conflict.

Would not most families of missing men, no matter how emotionally drained, want to know? And would they not also want to know what the government was doing to rescue their husbands and sons? Hundreds of MIA families have for years been questioning if concern for their feelings is the real reason for the secrecy.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; backstabber; mccain; soros
He is obviusly hiding something like his own sorry record at Hanoi Hilton. Everytime he stabs us in the back theos real Republicans in the house should insist that opening the records be attached to every piece of legilsation that goes before it until it becomes reality or until This creep stops stabbing us in the back.
1 posted on 07/25/2013 8:41:03 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: amnestynone

I am suspicious of this dude.
How can a former POW backstab his country?

revenge?
or hate?


2 posted on 07/25/2013 8:44:44 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: amnestynone

If the way he has turned on his own party is any example...........


3 posted on 07/25/2013 8:48:07 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: amnestynone

The bottom line is that McCain is a disturbed, failed man. His endless bizarre attempts to entangle the United States in fruitless foreign adventures and his need for publicity is pathological.


4 posted on 07/25/2013 8:49:05 AM PDT by allendale
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To: amnestynone
Would not most families of missing men, no matter how emotionally drained, want to know? And would they not also want to know what the government was doing to rescue their husbands and sons? Hundreds of MIA families have for years been questioning if concern for their feelings is the real reason for the secrecy.

I cannot imagine John NcCain ever doing anything that was not of benefit to him.

5 posted on 07/25/2013 8:53:30 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARAD in the past.E)
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To: amnestynone

MeCain has been “crossing the isle” for a long, long time!


6 posted on 07/25/2013 8:54:33 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: kimtom
I am sad to admit this, but I have never trusted McCain — and thought he was very a poor Presidentail candidate — though I did vote for him in the general election. The only positive, I feel of recent, is he helped Sara burst onto the national political stage.
7 posted on 07/25/2013 8:56:05 AM PDT by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: kimtom

Simple cowardice.


8 posted on 07/25/2013 8:57:22 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: RAY

is he helped Sara burst onto the national political stage....”

unintentional, he forbade his team to focus on Huusain


9 posted on 07/25/2013 8:57:41 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: TexasCajun

When will he cross the isle to conservatives, I wonder?


10 posted on 07/25/2013 8:57:55 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: amnestynone

I’ve always been suspicious of Juan.

His ‘career’ consisted of crashing planes while hotdogging it and then crashing his plane and letting them take him prisoner.

His combat activity was practically nil. But he used his navy hitch to wedge himself into politics. He is what I call a ‘hoarse whisperer’ because he’s difficult to hear and after you do hear him you are unable to understand what he’s saying.

He is worse than a RINO as he doesn’t even make a pretense.

He is a NWO traitor.


11 posted on 07/25/2013 9:00:34 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: amnestynone
Whatever McCain might be, I think of him as a war hero the same way I see ol' Ben Arnold as a war hero.

He flies his senate responsibilities the same way he flew the airplanes he was responsible for.

12 posted on 07/25/2013 9:02:03 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: amnestynone
He is obviusly hiding something like his own sorry record at Hanoi Hilton. Everytime he stabs us in the back theos real Republicans in the house should insist that opening the records be attached to every piece of legilsation that goes before it until it becomes reality or until This creep stops stabbing us in the back.

Show him the "Queen of Hearts" and see what happens.

13 posted on 07/25/2013 9:02:33 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: amnestynone

I remember when he and John Kerry were sent to VietNam to look for POW’s and MIA’s.

They were wined and dined and found nothing, but a trade agreement with the Viet Cong.

I haven’t trusted the man since then. Anyone friends with John Kerry is untrustworthy, including the 46 Republican Senators who voted to make him Secretary of State.


14 posted on 07/25/2013 9:04:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: amnestynone

I never knew this...it gives more credence to something fishy that went on during his time in Vietnam.

Manchurian Candidate..blackmailed by someone ..I dont know...

but he is no friend to true republicans


15 posted on 07/25/2013 9:05:08 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: IbJensen
He is worse than a RINO as he doesn’t even make a pretense.

He is a NWO traitor.

Exactamundo.

And don't forget -- McCain also inexplicably sandbagged his own Presidential campaign just as he'd caught up with the Marxist in the polls back in 2008.

The man is a disgrace and traitor to all truth.

16 posted on 07/25/2013 9:10:43 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: amnestynone

17 posted on 07/25/2013 9:12:34 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: kimtom
he forbade his team to focus on Huusain

Also, if memory serves, didn't he disavow introductory remarks made by Billy Cunningham at a McCain rally, in which Cunningham referred to obama as barack hussain obama?

18 posted on 07/25/2013 9:18:35 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: amnestynone

Nothing that any one says or suggests about McShamey surprises me


19 posted on 07/25/2013 9:18:59 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: IbJensen

Look if you DO NOT know what the HELL you are talking about concerning MacPain’s Combat Record then SHUT THE HELL UP. He DID NOT “crash” his plane while “Hotdogging”(when he was taken as a POW)it. Making up things does NO GOOD for the cause. MacPain was put in as a A/C “Spare” (probably after “begging” his squadron’s scheduling Officer to be put in on a mission. On the mission that he was shot down he had formed up(under orders) on his flight lead and was “circling” the target area looking at/for damage/Targets of Opportunity when a N. VN Sam missile malfunctioned and blew up some distance BEHIND MacPain’s A-4 Skyhawk Light Attack Jet and blew the tail off. MacPain ejected was injured in the ejection and landed in a N. VN swampy area(and further injured) and was captured(and held as a N. VN “trophy”) until 1973.


20 posted on 07/25/2013 9:20:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: amnestynone; All

Raymond Shaw, er I mean John McCain is an enemy agent. In that context his political actions make perfect sense.


21 posted on 07/25/2013 9:21:59 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: amnestynone
Thankfully, we haven't heard any brain droppings from his daughter Meghan lately ...


22 posted on 07/25/2013 9:24:28 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: kimtom
How can a former POW backstab his country?

revenge?
or hate?

A moral compass that's completely out of kilter?

Seriously -- I don't believe the man has ever been stable. Before OR after his POW experience.

The uncomfortable truth: MOST of Congress experience the same psychosis. Ergo, a bunch of megalomaniacs, psychopaths and sociopaths to various degrees of overlap run the government. Half the citizenry are afflicted by the same mental illnesses.

(Sorry for my sun-shiny prognosis ;-)

23 posted on 07/25/2013 9:25:35 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Liberty Valance
we haven't heard any brain droppings from his daughter Meghan lately ...

Maybe because she has no more brains to drop?

24 posted on 07/25/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: amnestynone

McCain is bought and paid for by George Soros and he doesn’t do anything at all to hide that.


25 posted on 07/25/2013 9:44:28 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: US Navy Vet
True. What then is your take on J M's virtually pathological opposition to declassification of Viet Nam era POW documents? Does this man have some secret he is hiding or is he just personally ashamed of himself for what he perceives as bad conduct? What is at the bottom of his tortured connection to Viet Nam and why was he so seemingly happy and content to parrot what he was told by the Viet communists when he and Kerry were visiting?
26 posted on 07/25/2013 9:50:32 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: amnestynone

McCain is vermin. He was, is and ever shall be a shill for the clown in the White House. All I can say is the good people of Arizona should be ashamed for electing this creep to represent them.


27 posted on 07/25/2013 9:51:37 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ha! A valid observation.


28 posted on 07/25/2013 9:54:13 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: kimtom

not revenge or hate but possibly he does not want his cooperation revealed. He may have compromised secrets that put many other Americans at risk. He may have even turned to endorse the communists and denounce the war.

the Vietnam war (police action) was obviously lost due to interference within our own government. There were 3 sides; the US military that wanted to win, the US government socialists that wanted us to lose, the US government and citizens that thought it was none of our business and we shouldn’t have even been involved.

Perhaps releasing too many of the records would allow the public to put the pieces together and see that we lost due to sabotage.


29 posted on 07/25/2013 9:54:53 AM PDT by sprky777
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To: robowombat

Maybe he was “progammed” in the “Hanoi Hilton” to behave “that” way. Remember Johnny Boy was an Admiral’s Grandkid and Kid so he probably(I surmise) did not have to endure alot of “trails” growing up so any hardship he had to endure in a POW Camp were magnified.


30 posted on 07/25/2013 9:55:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Jewbacca

aisle.
Isle is an island.


31 posted on 07/25/2013 9:59:44 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: US Navy Vet

Kinda like Nick Brody in the Homeland TV series.

Wonder if the writers of that show were patterning it after McJuan?


32 posted on 07/25/2013 10:09:48 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: amnestynone
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33 posted on 07/25/2013 10:32:51 AM PDT by RetSignman (Standing my ground against group think.)
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To: IbJensen
I knew he was a fraud when he stood shoulder to shoulder with his fellow traitor John Lurch Kerry. Mccstain has been driving our country over the cliff for more then 20 years. He is scum.
34 posted on 07/25/2013 12:02:32 PM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags f All Colors)
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To: amnestynone

One has to wonder that Obama didn’t find those and get them opened! He’s very good at that, you know!


35 posted on 07/25/2013 2:20:08 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: peeps36

Your assessment of this weasel is correct. Now if only the voters in Arizona would see the light.


36 posted on 07/25/2013 4:03:08 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I just received a private message from one of his fellow pilots who claimed the opposite of what you’ve shouted at me.

Look USN vet. I too am a vet and would appreciate it if you would just shut the hell up and refrain from ever responding to anything I’ve posted.

I doubt if you’ve ever seen any combat and doubt that you know a damned thing about this weasel’s combat record. So, I would say get lost and go back to your cushy goobermint job.


37 posted on 07/25/2013 4:12:20 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Oh, ‘vet’ one other thing.

During the course of his flying career with the U.S. Navy, John McCain was involved in at least five major mishaps or crashes involving his plane. The most dramatic incidents occurred in 1967.

Mystery has surrounded the precise circumstances of the three earlier incidents, and particularly an accident on March 12, 1960, while McCain was still in flight school at Corpus Christi in Texas. The McCain campaign has either ignored or failed to respond to requests by The Washington Post and other news organizations for the release of the candidate’s full military records, which could shed light on the accidents and the pilot’s personal involvement.

The official Navy report into the Corpus Christi accident on March 12, 1960, concludes that the AD-6 Skyraider trainer crashed because McCain failed to “maintain an airspeed above the stall speed.” It attributed the accident to “the preoccupation of the pilot coupled with a power setting too low to maintain level flight.” The single-engine prop plane sank to the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay. McCain was rescued by a helicopter after swimming to the surface.

McCain had another accident with a T-2 trainer jet in November 1965, while flying between New York City and Norfolk, Va. The Naval Aviation Safety Center was unable to determine the precise cause of the accident or the degree of pilot error. McCain wrote later that his engine “flamed out” and he had to eject.

In his autobiography, McCain recalls another mishap around December 1961 when “I knocked down some power lines while flying too low over southern Spain. My daredevil clowning had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes and created a small international incident.” He landed his Skyraider back on the USS Intrepid after the incident, which does not appear to have triggered a safety investigation.

McCain’s claim that he crashed into Corpus Christi Bay in December 1960 after his “engine quit” is a considerable stretch. U.S. Navy Safety records make clear that the plane crashed because his power setting was too low and he was failing to pay sufficient attention to his landing pattern.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 4:16:23 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

THAT part is 100% true!


39 posted on 07/25/2013 4:22:02 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

And there’s yet more, Vet, provided you understand what you read:

At the Academy, aside being known as a “rowdy, raunchy, underachiever” who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing “off-Yard activities” and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale’s Song, that “being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck.”

McCain’s grades were “marginal.” He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low “class standing,” and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a “naval aviator in training” at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named “Marie the Flame of Florida.” Timberg wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the “below par” pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain’s grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as “unavoidable” and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain’s advancement: “in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path.”

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and “engage in extra-marital affairs.”

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, “Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain’s persona, impossible not to take note of.”

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position “to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy’s Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn’t long before the “fun loving and irreverent” McCain had turned the liaison office into a “late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind.”

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona’s First Congressional District in 1982. McCain won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.


40 posted on 07/25/2013 4:22:09 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: US Navy Vet

There were so many parts. Respond and comment, if you wish, after you’ve read this sorry-assed RINOs tarnished military record.


41 posted on 07/25/2013 4:25:06 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Did McShame crash his plane into CC bay in ‘58 or ‘60? Or both? Just clarifying.


42 posted on 07/25/2013 4:45:15 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: IbJensen
Now if only the voters in Arizona would see the light.

I've often wondered and asked...why, AZ, why?

43 posted on 07/25/2013 4:46:37 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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