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USC Student Alleges Campus Police Decided She Wasnít Raped Because He Didnít Orgasm
TPM ^ | 07/24/2013 | Zoe Schlanger -

Posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

The University of Southern California is facing a federal civil rights investigation after students filed a complaint that alleged the school ignored campus rape and failed to prosecute attackers even after they confessed.

One anonymous USC student involved in the complaint said that campus police had decided she wasn't raped because her alleged attacker did not orgasm, the Huffington Post reported Monday.

"Because he stopped, it was not rape," she was told, per the complaint. "Even though his penis penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime."

The campus police did not refer the student's case to the Los Angeles police department.

Another student, according to the complaint, was told by the university Department of Public Safety that women should not "go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped" when she tried to report a rape.

The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights is investigating potential violations of Title IX, the federal gender equality law that criminilizes a failure to respond to claims of sexual violence.


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Reed, the lead complainant, said USC dismissed her claim that her ex-boyfriend had raped her, despite her providing audio recordings of him admitting to it. At one point, Reed said, a USC official told her the goal was to offer an "educative" process, not to "punish" the assailant.

1 posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Gotta make a careful distinction... there is ‘rape’, and then, there is ‘rape rape’.


2 posted on 07/25/2013 9:43:10 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Responsibility2nd

What sports team did he play for?


3 posted on 07/25/2013 9:43:56 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

insanity


4 posted on 07/25/2013 9:44:29 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is USC in Dubai?


5 posted on 07/25/2013 9:45:22 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Campus Police”

What a farce.


6 posted on 07/25/2013 9:45:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Tipline for Zimmerman's Inquisition is: Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov ... Use it.)
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Why do these women go to the campus police anyway? same thing with the Sandusky mess. Can’t they go to the REAL police? That’s where I would go.


7 posted on 07/25/2013 9:45:40 AM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: Responsibility2nd
Doesn't SexEd 101 teach that it is possible to get pregnant without an orgasm? Healthy sperm cells can survive in the pre-ejactulant lubricant which is secreted almost every time a guy gets a hard on.
8 posted on 07/25/2013 9:46:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: snowstorm12

These campuses still need real police to enforce real laws.


9 posted on 07/25/2013 9:46:17 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is this a Muslim college? /s


10 posted on 07/25/2013 9:47:12 AM PDT by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: C210N
"Because he stopped, it was not rape," she was told, per the complaint. "Even though his penis penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime."

Ooops! Wrong girlfriend........ ;-)

11 posted on 07/25/2013 9:47:54 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Uncle Miltie
What a farce.

Is it really any wonder that Vince Foster's body turned up in a place where Park Police would have jurisdiction?

12 posted on 07/25/2013 9:48:51 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
What sports team did he play for?

My first thought also.

13 posted on 07/25/2013 9:50:36 AM PDT by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: C210N

I read the articles. I almost feel sorry for any campus police department. Almost.

Imagine how many times a week they have to deal with sluts coming in claiming they were raped when in fact they just got drunk - had consentual sex - and then regretted it later.


14 posted on 07/25/2013 9:50:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Now you’re putting victims in a Salem witch trial sort of double-bind. According to Akins, it wouldn’t have been rape if she got pregnant, because would me she enjoyed or welcomed it. And, if she doesn’t get pregnant, well, by the USC standard it sounds like it wasn’t rape.


15 posted on 07/25/2013 9:51:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: C210N

Wasn’t that Bill Clinton’s MO back in his trolling days?


16 posted on 07/25/2013 9:51:54 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Dina Mo

Dina Mo

Dina Mo Hummmmmmm

17 posted on 07/25/2013 9:51:58 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: ConfidentConservative

The Muslim brotherhood member and former Egyptian president, Morsi, is an alumnus of USC. “Fight on to victory, fight on for USC....”


18 posted on 07/25/2013 9:52:09 AM PDT by forgotten man
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To: Responsibility2nd

What if the attacker had used a Trojan (as in USC Trojans)?


19 posted on 07/25/2013 9:52:57 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Responsibility2nd
...she wasn't raped because her alleged attacker did not orgasm...

Whoopi: Yeah, that sounds about right.

20 posted on 07/25/2013 9:55:15 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (What difference does it make?)
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To: GeronL

On the contrary. They have real police powers and real jurisdiction, but without accountability to anyone outside the administration.

There was a lot of information about this crap which came out during the Duke LaCrosse frame. Liestoppers probably has a thread on it archived somewhere.


21 posted on 07/25/2013 9:55:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Vigilanteman

THey used to teach such...now it’s all about being okay to use the bathroom of either sex, or suing the school for such privilege, or not knowing what the gender of the person is until the nperson tells us which gender...along with other nonsense...


22 posted on 07/25/2013 9:57:21 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: snowstorm12
“Why do these women go to the campus police anyway?”

Can't be helped, the local police will only refer you to the campus guys and won't step in. My kid had a stalker at college. Went to the campus police and the college lawyer said ignore it so they did. Sheriff, town cops, state police wished me luck but wouldn't help. My kid got a stay away order and the school kicked my kid off of campus! Went to the state's attorney and he wished me luck but wouldn't touch it. Need to keep those bad stats down, don't ya know....

23 posted on 07/25/2013 9:59:11 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Hotlanta Mike

24 posted on 07/25/2013 9:59:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
women should not "go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped"

Does being drunk increase a woman's chances of being raped? Does being sober while around drunk men? Does being drunk, while also being around drunk men?

I wonder if there are any statistics on the subject?

25 posted on 07/25/2013 10:00:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: C210N

But...but..your Honor, I didn’t assault that SOB because I didn’t break my knuckles.


26 posted on 07/25/2013 10:01:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: PGR88

Does being drunk increase a woman’s chances of being raped? Does being sober while around drunk men? Does being drunk, while also being around drunk men?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don’t know the answers to your questions, but I do know this. There are two types of people I can’t stand.

Drunk people when I’m sober.
Sober People when I’m drunk.


27 posted on 07/25/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Is it really any wonder that Vince Foster’s body turned up in a place where Park Police would have jurisdiction? ...Back in the ‘70’s, every USAF SP that got out wanted to be a Capitol Police. None had ever arrested, fought with or investigated a real criminal in over 20 years of duty.


28 posted on 07/25/2013 10:05:03 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So, will this mean another “open season”?


29 posted on 07/25/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Safetgiver
‘Back in the ‘70’s, every USAF SP that got out wanted to be a Capitol Police”

Most of the jobs at domestic Air Force bases that used to be done by SPs have been contracted out to civilian rent-a-cops.

30 posted on 07/25/2013 10:18:06 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: PGR88

No one should knowing put themselves into a position which increases the likelihood being a victim to a crime. Getting loaded in certain situations will do that.

However, being stupid does not magically legalize an assault.

I might say that a girl was stupid and shouldn’t have been surprised that she was raped because of the situation she allowed herself to be in. BUT, a very big but, the perpetrator of the crime is not legitimized. Rape is rape, a girl being stupid and drunk does not change that.

Leaving your car unlocked does not legalize car theft.

I’m speaking in general. I’m NOT say this girl was stupid. Not sufficient facts to comment on that.


31 posted on 07/25/2013 10:19:35 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Veggie Todd

...she wasn’t raped because her alleged attacker did not orgasm...

Whoopi: Yeah, that sounds about right.

But, what if he was just faking it.
I’ve heard people do that...


32 posted on 07/25/2013 10:22:00 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GeronL

Real crime doesn’t occur on campus.

That is what its about. The crime statistics.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 10:25:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I take it as a personal character defect that there's only one clause in the entire UCMJ that I can still recite:

Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

I'm sure there aren't any other vets like that.

You know who you are.

34 posted on 07/25/2013 10:26:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Responsibility2nd
The Femanazi viewpoint is well represented here, what's this gals name? Crystal Magnum?

Talking points Memo and PuffHo? Get a grip...

35 posted on 07/25/2013 10:26:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: riverdawg

In the last couple years, the SP’s are back, at least at Kirtland AFB NM.


36 posted on 07/25/2013 10:29:19 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: riverdawg

Most of the jobs at domestic Air Force bases that used to be done by SPs have been contracted out to civilian rent-a-cops...OOOh. Just. Shiite. Operation Safeside has been degraced.


37 posted on 07/25/2013 10:35:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Doesn’t SexEd 101 teach that it is possible to get pregnant without an orgasm? Healthy sperm cells can survive in the pre-ejactulant lubricant which is secreted almost every time a guy gets a hard on.”

That’s actually incorrect. What you’re describing is a commonly believed myth that is based on a kernel of misunderstood biological truth.

Sperm is NOT secreted in pre-ejaculatory fluid. There are many studies on this over the last 20 years or so, and in every one I have seen NO sperm was detected in pre-ejaculatory fluid. Chemical assays of pre-ejaculatory fluid demonstrate an absence of chemical markers associated with sperm, and numerous studies have failed to locate sperm in said fluid.

Here’s a quick link to one of the more modern ones: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762415

Now, keep in mind, it IS possible for sperm-containing ejaculate from a prior orgasm to linger within the urethra for a short while, until urination occurs, but pre-ejaculatory fluid is absent of sperm.

I believe part of the reason that myth is so enduring is that it offers an easy, quick, understandable explanation for why coitus interruptus is generally not an effective method of birth control under patterns of normal use.

The reality though is more complicated - the coitus interruptus method suffers from the facts that immediate re-insertion after orgasm can result in pregnancy, that coitus interruptus requires conscious effort by one or both parties to cease intercourse around the time that rational thought becomes decreasingly likely, it also requires judgement to be made about how near an approaching orgasm may be, and also suffers from the fact quite a lot of men may experience some form of premature ejaculation at some point in their lives.

It’s a lot easier just to belt out a little medical “white-lie” to the teenagers.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 10:41:33 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Responsibility2nd

Details are crucially important. Let’s try this: If they drank together, went back to someone’s place, sex started taking place, she suddenly ‘woke up’ and said “no!”, and he immediately stopped... but she is still mad that her inebriated state helped make it happen with someone she didn’t want to be known to have been with, so she claims rape. If those were the facts here, then I would agree with an officer refusing to make an arrest (although he could state the reasoning in a better way).


39 posted on 07/25/2013 10:49:43 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Responsibility2nd

Continuing in the fine USC tradition established in 1968 when the University ponied up $60K to by the silence of a rape victim assaulted by O.J. Simpson, then a star property for USC.


40 posted on 07/25/2013 10:54:48 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t know about Cali, but in Ohio any oral, vaginal, or anal penetration is rape. The penetrators include objects, digits, genitals, and tongues. Since rape is about control and not sex, orgasm has nothing to do with this. If this girl is telling the truth, I hope she owns these idiots.


41 posted on 07/25/2013 11:04:02 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is that you Bill Clinton?


42 posted on 07/25/2013 11:08:39 AM PDT by BilLies (The Progressive Liberal American Press will be the death of freedom in this country.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The high school in which I teach recently dealt with a rape trial that became an international sensation. As part of our new training we were inserviced about Ohio rape laws and the rape investigation process. What you are suggesting happens so rarely, and when it does the investigators (real investigators) know and eliminate the issue almost immediately. There are actually more rapes that go unreported than girls claiming rape when it didn’t really happen. Also, and again this is Ohio, a person can give consent but the person to whom consent was given can still be charged and found guilty of rape. If the person giving consent is in a state where he or she cannot possibly make the proper decision for him or herself (i.e. under the influence of drugs or alcohol), then that is also rape.


43 posted on 07/25/2013 11:12:02 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I’m speaking in general. I’m NOT say this girl was stupid. Not sufficient facts to comment on that.

I think we agree. I tell my kids - you can't always control what others do, but you can control the choices you make, and the situations in which you put yourselves.

44 posted on 07/25/2013 11:33:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Responsibility2nd

Uhn huh...

Sounds like an attitude that would have been pervasive decades ago but, today that is still assault and battery with aggravated, etc...

Oh, and rape is rape.

If a guy puts it in once and then grows a conscience well, you just effed up and your life outta be messed up and good.

Now, stand there with your eyes closed. You don’t want to see what my #36 Louisville Slugger is going to do....


45 posted on 07/25/2013 11:33:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am still not used to “orgasm” being used as a verb.


46 posted on 07/25/2013 11:41:02 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: forgotten man

OOOOOooohhh!

NO Wonder!

LORD help us!


47 posted on 07/25/2013 11:41:34 AM PDT by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: jameslalor
Since I took SexEd 101 way back about the time of the infamous Roe v. Wade decision, it could very well have been what may have been thought was up-to-date at the time. It could have been based on interviews with pregnant teens (Yeah, my BF and I diddled around, but he pulled it out well before ejaculation). Or, it could have even been the 1970s version of "Reefer Madness" to scare teens into sensible behavior.

In those days, ejaculation or not didn't get you off the hook for a rape charge. For that matter, neither did penetration or not. We knew that any kind of intimate unwanted sexual contact between your private parts could put you on or even over that line and behaved accordingly, for the most part.

We also knew that slapping or pinching a girl on the butt, while rude, didn't even come close. Now the law and definitions are so screwed up that society can talk about "penetration which doesn't result in ejaculation" NOT being rape, on one hand, and about brushing against a woman's breasts even accidentally POSSIBLY being rape on the other. Go figure.

I can't make sense of it other than the normal libtard tactic of dividing society and creating chaos from which the libtards can harness to gain political power.

48 posted on 07/25/2013 11:45:23 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I’m glad to learn that. I think both the army posts and air force bases nearby use rent-a-cops for entry control and military security forces if/when there is trouble.
49 posted on 07/25/2013 11:47:36 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Responsibility2nd
Uniform Code of Military Justice (military law)

ART. 120. RAPE AND CARNAL KNOWLEDGE . . . (a) Any person subject to this chapter who commits an act of sexual intercourse with a female not his wife, by force and without consent, is guilty of rape . . . Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete either of these offenses.

The military has it right (although you can't rape your wife???). I hope this is a moron who misinterpreted California law and not a mistake in CA law. That was rape, what Whoopi Goldberg calls "rape-rape", even if he stopped, and the rapist should be prosecuted for his crime.

50 posted on 07/25/2013 12:44:31 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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