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USC Student Alleges Campus Police Decided She Wasnít Raped Because He Didnít Orgasm
TPM ^ | 07/24/2013 | Zoe Schlanger -

Posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

The University of Southern California is facing a federal civil rights investigation after students filed a complaint that alleged the school ignored campus rape and failed to prosecute attackers even after they confessed.

One anonymous USC student involved in the complaint said that campus police had decided she wasn't raped because her alleged attacker did not orgasm, the Huffington Post reported Monday.

"Because he stopped, it was not rape," she was told, per the complaint. "Even though his penis penetrated your vagina, because he stopped, it was not a crime."

The campus police did not refer the student's case to the Los Angeles police department.

Another student, according to the complaint, was told by the university Department of Public Safety that women should not "go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped" when she tried to report a rape.

The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights is investigating potential violations of Title IX, the federal gender equality law that criminilizes a failure to respond to claims of sexual violence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: rape; usc
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To: GeronL

On the contrary. They have real police powers and real jurisdiction, but without accountability to anyone outside the administration.

There was a lot of information about this crap which came out during the Duke LaCrosse frame. Liestoppers probably has a thread on it archived somewhere.


21 posted on 07/25/2013 9:55:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Vigilanteman

THey used to teach such...now it’s all about being okay to use the bathroom of either sex, or suing the school for such privilege, or not knowing what the gender of the person is until the nperson tells us which gender...along with other nonsense...


22 posted on 07/25/2013 9:57:21 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: snowstorm12
“Why do these women go to the campus police anyway?”

Can't be helped, the local police will only refer you to the campus guys and won't step in. My kid had a stalker at college. Went to the campus police and the college lawyer said ignore it so they did. Sheriff, town cops, state police wished me luck but wouldn't help. My kid got a stay away order and the school kicked my kid off of campus! Went to the state's attorney and he wished me luck but wouldn't touch it. Need to keep those bad stats down, don't ya know....

23 posted on 07/25/2013 9:59:11 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Hotlanta Mike

24 posted on 07/25/2013 9:59:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
women should not "go out, get drunk and expect not to get raped"

Does being drunk increase a woman's chances of being raped? Does being sober while around drunk men? Does being drunk, while also being around drunk men?

I wonder if there are any statistics on the subject?

25 posted on 07/25/2013 10:00:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: C210N

But...but..your Honor, I didn’t assault that SOB because I didn’t break my knuckles.


26 posted on 07/25/2013 10:01:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: PGR88

Does being drunk increase a woman’s chances of being raped? Does being sober while around drunk men? Does being drunk, while also being around drunk men?

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I don’t know the answers to your questions, but I do know this. There are two types of people I can’t stand.

Drunk people when I’m sober.
Sober People when I’m drunk.


27 posted on 07/25/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Is it really any wonder that Vince Foster’s body turned up in a place where Park Police would have jurisdiction? ...Back in the ‘70’s, every USAF SP that got out wanted to be a Capitol Police. None had ever arrested, fought with or investigated a real criminal in over 20 years of duty.


28 posted on 07/25/2013 10:05:03 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So, will this mean another “open season”?


29 posted on 07/25/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Safetgiver
‘Back in the ‘70’s, every USAF SP that got out wanted to be a Capitol Police”

Most of the jobs at domestic Air Force bases that used to be done by SPs have been contracted out to civilian rent-a-cops.

30 posted on 07/25/2013 10:18:06 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: PGR88

No one should knowing put themselves into a position which increases the likelihood being a victim to a crime. Getting loaded in certain situations will do that.

However, being stupid does not magically legalize an assault.

I might say that a girl was stupid and shouldn’t have been surprised that she was raped because of the situation she allowed herself to be in. BUT, a very big but, the perpetrator of the crime is not legitimized. Rape is rape, a girl being stupid and drunk does not change that.

Leaving your car unlocked does not legalize car theft.

I’m speaking in general. I’m NOT say this girl was stupid. Not sufficient facts to comment on that.


31 posted on 07/25/2013 10:19:35 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Veggie Todd

...she wasn’t raped because her alleged attacker did not orgasm...

Whoopi: Yeah, that sounds about right.

But, what if he was just faking it.
I’ve heard people do that...


32 posted on 07/25/2013 10:22:00 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GeronL

Real crime doesn’t occur on campus.

That is what its about. The crime statistics.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 10:25:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I take it as a personal character defect that there's only one clause in the entire UCMJ that I can still recite:

Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

I'm sure there aren't any other vets like that.

You know who you are.

34 posted on 07/25/2013 10:26:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Responsibility2nd
The Femanazi viewpoint is well represented here, what's this gals name? Crystal Magnum?

Talking points Memo and PuffHo? Get a grip...

35 posted on 07/25/2013 10:26:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: riverdawg

In the last couple years, the SP’s are back, at least at Kirtland AFB NM.


36 posted on 07/25/2013 10:29:19 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: riverdawg

Most of the jobs at domestic Air Force bases that used to be done by SPs have been contracted out to civilian rent-a-cops...OOOh. Just. Shiite. Operation Safeside has been degraced.


37 posted on 07/25/2013 10:35:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Doesn’t SexEd 101 teach that it is possible to get pregnant without an orgasm? Healthy sperm cells can survive in the pre-ejactulant lubricant which is secreted almost every time a guy gets a hard on.”

That’s actually incorrect. What you’re describing is a commonly believed myth that is based on a kernel of misunderstood biological truth.

Sperm is NOT secreted in pre-ejaculatory fluid. There are many studies on this over the last 20 years or so, and in every one I have seen NO sperm was detected in pre-ejaculatory fluid. Chemical assays of pre-ejaculatory fluid demonstrate an absence of chemical markers associated with sperm, and numerous studies have failed to locate sperm in said fluid.

Here’s a quick link to one of the more modern ones: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762415

Now, keep in mind, it IS possible for sperm-containing ejaculate from a prior orgasm to linger within the urethra for a short while, until urination occurs, but pre-ejaculatory fluid is absent of sperm.

I believe part of the reason that myth is so enduring is that it offers an easy, quick, understandable explanation for why coitus interruptus is generally not an effective method of birth control under patterns of normal use.

The reality though is more complicated - the coitus interruptus method suffers from the facts that immediate re-insertion after orgasm can result in pregnancy, that coitus interruptus requires conscious effort by one or both parties to cease intercourse around the time that rational thought becomes decreasingly likely, it also requires judgement to be made about how near an approaching orgasm may be, and also suffers from the fact quite a lot of men may experience some form of premature ejaculation at some point in their lives.

It’s a lot easier just to belt out a little medical “white-lie” to the teenagers.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 10:41:33 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Responsibility2nd

Details are crucially important. Let’s try this: If they drank together, went back to someone’s place, sex started taking place, she suddenly ‘woke up’ and said “no!”, and he immediately stopped... but she is still mad that her inebriated state helped make it happen with someone she didn’t want to be known to have been with, so she claims rape. If those were the facts here, then I would agree with an officer refusing to make an arrest (although he could state the reasoning in a better way).


39 posted on 07/25/2013 10:49:43 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Responsibility2nd

Continuing in the fine USC tradition established in 1968 when the University ponied up $60K to by the silence of a rape victim assaulted by O.J. Simpson, then a star property for USC.


40 posted on 07/25/2013 10:54:48 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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