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Outrage after teacher assigns Nazi propaganda essay on why Jews were "evil"
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/ ^ | 07/25/2013 | Holly McKenna, Reuters

Posted on 07/25/2013 1:04:00 PM PDT by massmike

A New York state high school English teacher who asked students to imagine they were Nazis and give reasons why Jews were evil could be reprimanded or dismissed, a school district superintendent said on Friday.

City School District of Albany Superintendent Marguerite Vanden Wyngaard apologized at a news conference and pledged officials would personally express regret to Albany High School students who were given the assignment and their families.

Vanden Wyngaard declined to name the teacher but said the teacher was removed from class and faced disciplinary action.

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1 posted on 07/25/2013 1:04:00 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

Did they get extra credit if they used the antiSemitic political cartoons of the era?


2 posted on 07/25/2013 1:04:59 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: massmike

Shades of the Obama-loving college professor that made his students “Stomp on Jesus”! Where do they find these people?

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/professor-makes-students-stomp-on-jesus.html


3 posted on 07/25/2013 1:05:23 PM PDT by massmike (At the heart of every Paul-bot argument is the fear that someone will keep them from their weed!)
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To: massmike

I could see it in a Social Studies class, to show how propaganda is used, but in an English studies class?


4 posted on 07/25/2013 1:06:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: massmike

Meanwhile,a daycare worker who saved her students by putting out a fire WAS fired because she left the classroom to do it!!!!!!

Exactly WHAT is running education these days?


5 posted on 07/25/2013 1:07:14 PM PDT by massmike (At the heart of every Paul-bot argument is the fear that someone will keep them from their weed!)
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To: massmike

Is next week’s lesson the slave overseer’s justifications for whipping their charges? The Crusader’s justification for waging holy war against muslims?


6 posted on 07/25/2013 1:09:00 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: massmike

” Shades of the Obama-loving college professor that made his students “Stomp on Jesus”! Where do they find these people?”

Most universities.


7 posted on 07/25/2013 1:10:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: massmike

In shop they build kilns.


8 posted on 07/25/2013 1:12:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: massmike

I wonder how many completed the assignment. If many did, it would show how people will do even outrageous things if requested by authorities. If I was Jewish, I would not be too quick to assume “ Never Again.”


9 posted on 07/25/2013 1:16:15 PM PDT by The Old Commander ('you can hear the people sing, it's the sound of angry men....")
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To: dfwgator

I was taught to understand several informal fallacies in 8th grade English (”ad hominem”, “post hoc ergo propter hoc”, etc). The teacher described them as propaganda techniques to watch out for.


10 posted on 07/25/2013 1:16:17 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: The Old Commander
I wonder how many completed the assignment. If many did, it would show how people will do even outrageous things if requested by authorities. If I was Jewish, I would not be too quick to assume “ Never Again.”

Milgram Experiment

11 posted on 07/25/2013 1:17:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: massmike

Oh, but if the prof assigned the students to portray a pre-
Civil War plantation owner justifying slavery....


12 posted on 07/25/2013 1:17:35 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: dfwgator
I could see it in a Social Studies class, to show how propaganda is used, but in an English studies class?

Propaganda is sometimes covered in English classes.

13 posted on 07/25/2013 1:17:36 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: dfwgator
I remember it. I thought we may have learned.
14 posted on 07/25/2013 1:20:41 PM PDT by The Old Commander ('you can hear the people sing, it's the sound of angry men....")
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To: Fiji Hill

An interesting exercise would be to assign the class to write duplicitous propaganda essays of some sort ... then redistribute the essays anonymously at random and assign the class to write essays refuting the propaganda.


15 posted on 07/25/2013 1:20:45 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Oh, but if the prof assigned the students to portray a pre-Civil War plantation owner justifying slavery....

Several years ago, I substitute taught in a high school social studies class in which students were asked to write an essay on slavery from a pro-slavery point of view. I saw nothing wrong with it, since that sort of assignment would enable the students to understand the pro-slavery point of view. The teacher who assigned the Nazi essay may have had the same objective.

16 posted on 07/25/2013 1:24:14 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Yaelle

Only if they quoted Henry Ford’s “The International Jew”


17 posted on 07/25/2013 1:26:49 PM PDT by Crcl1
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To: massmike

Standards? Publik skools don’t need no stinkin’ standards.


18 posted on 07/25/2013 1:26:56 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SpaceBar

The plumbers technology class specializes in showers.


19 posted on 07/25/2013 1:28:31 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: massmike

Imagination assignments never bothered me. It is a useful skill to learn how to think from every point of view, even the evil ones.


20 posted on 07/25/2013 1:30:46 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: dfwgator

If political correctness had no won the day, the class might have gained some insight into the anti-semitism of the inter-war period that was fashionable more in France and England than in Germany. Jewish stereotypes were deeply ingrained in the thinking of the upper-classes of Europe—and the lower classes, as immigrant and black thinking of the time attests. Still is, I think. Just think of the neo-con stereotype, which makes the Ivy league type —both Jews and gentile willing to accept the barbarism of the Saudis as a necessary counterweight to Jewish influence. How was it that German Jews, who were so well integrated in the German Reich, could be demonized by their fellow countrymen?


21 posted on 07/25/2013 1:33:54 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: massmike

How about this as an assignment: Imagine you’re a decent human being, and give reasons why leftist teachers are evil pieces of human garbage.


22 posted on 07/25/2013 1:35:11 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I had a professor who taught a class on varieties of fascism. He had half of the students produce newsletters from fascist groups—Italy’s National Fascist Party, Germany’s Nazi Party, etc.—while the other half published anti-fascist newsletters. In the middle of the quarter, he switched them around, so the fascists were now anti-fascists, and vice versa.


23 posted on 07/25/2013 1:38:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: massmike

These Liberal’s do not think before they speak or act - then say “ooopsie, sorry” and that should end the matter?


24 posted on 07/25/2013 1:39:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Yaelle
Or some Serbian postage stamps
25 posted on 07/25/2013 1:44:42 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Fiji Hill

And what’s the point of such exercises? What’s the point of assigning a student, or anybody, even an educated person, to write from the point of view of, say, a slave, at a plantation in the South in 1800? An exercise in ignorance. Heavy duty literary writers struggle with such (self imposed) assignments, and come up short half of the time.

Read history books, you dummies!


26 posted on 07/25/2013 1:46:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: The Old Commander
I wonder how many completed the assignment. If many did, it would show how people will do even outrageous things if requested by authorities.

Perhaps this course is part of the selection process for new OFA members?

27 posted on 07/25/2013 1:48:14 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Nice ... same concept, different method. How did the class handle it? Did anybody get hacked off about it?

This could be applied to almost any historical controversy: Protestant/Catholic, Monarchist/Republican, Federalist/Antifederalist, Slavery/Abolition, Communist/Market ... if you can write convincing propaganda for both sides, it's a good indication that you understand both sides. Doesn't necessarily mean you agree with either side.

28 posted on 07/25/2013 1:57:21 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: massmike

“The teacher has been removed from the class and faces ‘disciplinary action...’”
Removed at full pay, no doubt!


29 posted on 07/25/2013 1:59:40 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Revolting cat!
And what’s the point of such exercises?

It's a heuristic technique that can be both educational and fun. And I've experienced this sort of thing myself. I once took part in a simulation of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, which eventually led to the 1975 Helsinki Accords--I was the Soviet delegate. As part of a history seminar, I also took part in a conference to unite the world's socialist movements, in which I represented Stalinism.

30 posted on 07/25/2013 2:01:03 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

I agree. The scariest thing about the Nazis wasn’t Hitler, there are madmen all over the place, the scary thing was about how the ordinary German could ultimately wind up embracing such a madman.

Think it can’t happen again? Don’t bet on it.


31 posted on 07/25/2013 2:04:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fiji Hill

So you’re saying you had a chance to become an expert on Stalinism without having to slog through the boring volumes of Solzhenitsyn? I know of the technique and it is as I said an exercise in practical ignorance, if it is “fun”. Education for the likes of Rachel Jeantel, by the likes of Rachel Jeantel.


32 posted on 07/25/2013 2:07:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Back in the day, that’s what I did in the Yahoo chat rooms. I had two monikers, one where I was a conservative, and another where I pretended to be a liberal....I could argue both sides of any issue, like no one’s business.

Even used to have my two alter egos arguing with each other, just for fun.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 2:08:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: massmike

Vanden Wyngaard declined to name the teacher

Taking bets that the teacher wasn’t white and most likely the teacher is a ROPer


34 posted on 07/25/2013 2:11:07 PM PDT by GraceG
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35 posted on 07/25/2013 2:13:33 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: massmike

Made the news in April around when it happened. Covered pretty well on FR with school teacher-types thinking it was pretty swell, even given the outrageousness of the actual text.


36 posted on 07/25/2013 2:49:44 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: Revolting cat!
So you’re saying you had a chance to become an expert on Stalinism without having to slog through the boring volumes of Solzhenitsyn? I know of the technique and it is as I said an exercise in practical ignorance, if it is “fun”. Education for the likes of Rachel Jeantel, by the likes of Rachel Jeantel.

At the time, Solzhenitsyn was best known as a writer of fiction--his Gulag Archipelago was about a year away from publication--and, by the way, it's anything but boring.

Instead, to prepare for the big socialist conference, I slogged though tomes such as Boris Souvarine's Stalin: A Critical Study of Bolshevism (New York: Alliance, 1939), William Henry Chamberlin's The Russian Revolution, 1917-1921 (New York: Macmillan, 1935) and Worker's Paradise Lost: Fifty Years of Soviet Communism: A Balance Sheet by Eugene Lyons (New York: Funk & Wagnalls, 1967).

And I had to not only make a case for Stalinism but also to argue the case against Trotskyism, social democracy, anarchism and Fabian socialism, so I had to do my share of reading.

37 posted on 07/25/2013 3:29:42 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: massmike

That’s a hard one to evaluate. The kids would have to read about the holocaust days and identify attitudes. Any kid with half a brain will recognize that the Nazis were evil, not the Jews. High school juniors or seniors should be able to handle that assignment without becoming raving anti-Semites.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 3:57:52 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Fiji Hill

I wasn’t trying to flame you, only to flame the idea of heuristic technique, or role playing, which I have seen in action (and an example of how it doesn’t work is in the article above), during my studies and even more during corporate training sessions, where attendees were asked to assume some roles, whether those of customers, or discriminated against employees, and other such nonsense, while the hired instructor, being paid a grand or two a day, stepped outside for his hourly tobacco addiction break. It never worked.


39 posted on 07/25/2013 4:58:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
[Role playing] where attendees were asked to assume some roles, whether those of customers, or discriminated against employees, and other such nonsense, while the hired instructor, being paid a grand or two a day, stepped outside for his hourly tobacco addiction break. It never worked.

Yes, I've experienced that sort of banana oil, too.

40 posted on 07/25/2013 5:22:00 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: massmike
12 April 2013
41 posted on 07/25/2013 8:23:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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42 posted on 07/28/2013 6:23:43 PM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: massmike

is this more common core crap? Do they fet extra credit for using infidels to make bloody matzo ball soup?


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