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Posted on 07/25/2013 7:58:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Pope Francis on Thursday issued the first social manifesto of his young pontificate, telling slum dwellers in Brazil that the world's rich must do much more to wipe out vast inequalities between the haves and the have-nots.
The pope also urged Brazil's youth, who have taken part in recent protests showing discontent with the status quo, to keep alive their "sensitivity towards injustice" and be a catalyst in the fight against corruption.
The first Latin American pope, who has rallied the Church on behalf of the poor and who lives more austerely than his predecessors, called for a "culture of solidarity" to replace the "selfishness and individualism" prevailing in modern society.
"No one can remain insensitive to the inequalities that persist in the world," he told residents of Manguinhos, a sprawling shantytown, or favela, of ramshackle brick dwellings that until recently was overrun by violence and controlled by drug lords.
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great, just what the world needs, a commie pope.
Francis the Fatuous
The pope sure has a big house and lots of servants and a gold roofed workplace....
is he not rich?
I've always been told that the key to a country's general success is to have a middle class. The most successful countries have the largest middle class, with minorities (numerically) at the wealthiest and poorest ends.
That ‘individualism’ thing is horrific. Time to dump it.
It would be justice if the Pope renounced his position so that a very deserving Cardinal could take his place. After all, they have suffered for so long and his selection deprived them of their rightful rewards.
It’s not his to keep or sell for his own use. He just lives there. Like someone occupying the White House.
This Pope has always lived austerely, monied or not. He chose that path when he was young. He CHOSE to take buses, live in small, humble abodes, live humbly. He even dresses away from the pomp and ceremony of the papacy.
He is unusual.
hey if we did away with all the rich people poor people would be.... still poor.
It may be nice for the rich to be charitable, but that isn't the key thing -- no one buys their way into heaven.
I would say it is much more in line with Church teaching to have the poor behave in a Godly manner which will help them and their families rise up through renouncing sinful behavior.
but if he had to pay property taxes on that place...
why do people post Philip Pullella on this sight? He’s a lefty trouble-maker and his articles are full of lies.
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I did not leave the Catholic Church...The Church left me.
Take all of this Social Justice and give it to obie.
I love my faith so I practice it alone now.
This is why I was not thrilled when this pope was announced. Just another commie in a white dress
Voluntary sharing with the poor is something Jesus encouraged. As long as the Pope is not advocating government confiscation from the rich to give to the poor, he’s preaching Christianity, not Communism.
I think the thing we need to remember is that not all rich people in all countries are alike. Some people in various countries really believe that they are aristocrats, not cut from the same cloth as other people, and so debt slavery and other abuses are par for the course. I was just reading about a factory in Bangladesh in the WSJ today. The worker said it was better than her last job because there was “no hitting”. Rich people who run their companies like that are the target of the Pope’s message, I think. I think he is talking about a baseline of just behavior, and not about communist, government-mandated redistribution.
but if he had to pay property taxes on that place...
Vatican City has no property taxes.
We, the USA are becoming that country while glued to Pawn Dweebs or Honey fat Mom!!
Sometimes it makes you wonder that its just too stupid to be stupid.
Therefore it is possibly intentional.
I've wondered if the real reason that the church keeps pushing socialism its to purposefully make everyone poor so that when the whole world is destitute and miserable, they will seek refuge in the church.
So many in the church believe that modern wealth is the key reason for the loss of religion's influence among people.
There is a certain twisted logic in making everyone poor in order to "save their souls."
Socialism might seem to be the perfect tool to these types of religious to reduce humanity to the material condition of Medieval Europe where the church held ultimate power in society.
Scary fate to contemplate. But, that’s why the Tea Party and conservatism in general is so important... to remind people of our founding principles and re-grow our awareness of equality of opportunity and dignity of citizens regardless of their means.
I don’t think he is telling the government to give more he is talking to the rich as a group and as individuals - it is good for people to give in a cheerful and happy spirit - it is good for their souls and it is good for those who receive it in the same spirit. As a spiritual leader it is his job to tell us stuff we may not like for our eternal sake that doesn’t make him a commie - being a commie is when you support the governments forcible taking of wealth and assets and redistributing them to those they see fit. There is no generosity of spirit in the giving or receiving and it is a detriment to the well being of both.
"For ye have the poor always with you;"
Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, 7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
.8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation , saying , To what purpose is this waste? 9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
12 For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial
You know, the poor *do* have some responsibility for educating themselves and trying to acquire marketable skills. What does he expect the rich to do when the poor won’t do anything?
It is possible to climb out of poverty. One merely needs the right attitude.
How do you practice faith, hope and love alone? How do you celebrate Mass alone and receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus alone?
The Church is Jesus Christ. He never leaves you. He wants you with him. It's your choice. Jesus did say: feed the hungry and so on. I really do feel sorry for the children of the down and out. They do breed, unfortunately, and don't see to the needs of their children.
Oh well, I'm the last person in the world to condemn you. I wish you well--it's not so nice to feel as if the Church, that is Jesus, left you.
By the way, there never will be social justice, never. If it does happen occasionally, it's a fluke, just a fluke. It's not the goal that is ever attainable, but the journey and effort in trying for good. But you know that.
Right now I am going on a journey to the freezer for a smallish bowl of ice cream.
You are assuming that the wealthy are trying to buy their way into heaven. They might not. They just might feel guilty and try to atone.
The poor and rich both behave badly. Bad/good behaviors have little to do with bank accounts. Sinful behavior crosses all races, creeds, both genders and all ages...nothing to do with money. You KNOW that.
Maybe you are thinking that the RICH can afford bad behavior because they can afford fancy schmancy attorneys to bail them out of their bad behaviors. The poor who misbehave just have to LUMP IT.
The Church extols ALL to behave in a godly manner, even the rich.
Why should there be an equal distribution of wealth? Why do the rich who have earned their wealth by productivity and voluntary trade need to give it away? They already gave their products in trade. Why is it immoral to produce wealth and keep it but moral to give it away? Why does someone’s need give them a claim to the life, the work and the property of others? These questions have never been answered rationally. It is fine to help someone voluntarily but to say it is their moral duty to help others is fantastic. Instead of calling for redistribution of wealth the pope should be campaigning for an equal distribution of liberty and for laissez faire capitalism because no other institution has done more to elevate the lot of the common man in the history of the world. It’s not even close.
All the ministers, holy leaders, etc., Catholics, AND the Protestant ministers get tax exemptions--not just Catholics.
Now there are some 30,000-40,000 different Protestant denominations, so that's a LOT of men and women of the cloth getting tax exemptions.
Many of those numerically smaller Protestant denominations would fade into bankruptcy and oblivion without the tax break.
...telling slum dwellers in Brazil that the world's rich must do much more to wipe out vast inequalities between the haves and the have-nots... called for a "culture of solidarity" to replace the "selfishness and individualism" prevailing in modern society. "No one can remain insensitive to the inequalities that persist in the world," he told residents of Manguinhos, a sprawling shantytown, or favela, of ramshackle brick dwellings that until recently was overrun by violence and controlled by drug lords.Gosh, it's almost as if the rich drug dealers weren't doing enough public service work.
The article mentions that the pope is “demanding” “social justice”
demanding is not asking
and social justice is commie code speak for government confiscation and redistribution.
Although I know this is not funny at all and the “solidarity” and “Social” Justice is pure Communism——I did laugh at your post.
That being said, this pope is becoming a great disappointment. A couple things really bothered me after he was “elected”.
The Catholic Canon is about subsidiarity-—not collectivism!!!! It never was-—it is about individual salvation-—not “collective” salvation, and I am really not liking this “pope” and I do love Thomistic Theology and much about Catholic Traditions/Saints-—pre-Vatican II.
BUT......I have been following the corruption of the Catholic Church (Fr. Oko’s Report on Homoheresy). And I read Pope Pius X encyclical. Pascendi in 1908 or so which warned us about this “take over”-—from inside......and Bella Dodd’s book on the homosexual Marxist infiltration in the 30’s and 40’s....so it is not surprising.....especially since the “jesuits” have “educated” some of the most immoral, radical, vile atheists, that ever existed.
It is amazing to me how “intelligent” Jesuits are—They are brilliant, but can be so incredibly evil. There is nothing more vile and dehumanizing than Marxism and they should understand that—because of the understanding that Catholic Theology has of human nature and Good and Evil/Natural Law.
It is rather disgusting to see the corruption of all our institutions. George Carlins rant on the Illuminati is probably true from the looks of the world. The NWO is in place for the kill. There is nothing to stop them-—nothing.
It’s quite easy actually Ice Cream Fan. I don’t need to be in a church to pray, contemplate and practice my faith...the “building” is unnecessary. Living the life is what it is, at least for me.
HE’S THE POPE...It’s his job to look out for the poor. Yikes, people.
According to the article the Pope is taking to task Rich people for not doing enough for the poor.
The pope not only has his own bank he has his own country (how many rich people can make that claim?)
If i were to have an audience with the pope concerning this matter I would read to him a slightly altered quote from the bible "Let him with all the riches cast the first coin."
Hypocrisy is not to be tolerated, even if it is the Pope engaging in it! The pope has hundreds of billions let him lead by example and put a large dent in the papal coffers. Otherwise he should move on to other matters.
Inequalities will always exist in this world.
Shouldn’t the Pope be concerned more with a man’s soul and not his wealth or lack thereof??? Millions of poor people are not believers. Telling the wealthy to share their wealth won’t save a poor persons soul.
He is not a commie Pope.
Have you every heard about the Works of Mercy?
Feed the hungry
Clothe the naked
Do you get the idea?
And Jesus will say, “Whenever you did it one of these least of my brothers, you did it unto me.”
Good grief, read up on this Pope. He rode the bus to work in Argentina!!!!!!
Do you do that?
The Spiritual Works of Mercy [Catholic Caucus]
The Corporal Works of Mercy [Catholic Caucus]
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 7 Spiritual Works of Mercy
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 7 Corporal Works of Mercy
Catholic Caucus: Spiritual Works of Mercy
Introduction to the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy
The Spiritual Works of Mercy
The Corporal Works of Mercy
Lest We Forget - The Corporal Works of Mercy & The Spirtual Works of Mercy
Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy
And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
“Voluntary sharing with the poor is something Jesus encouraged. As long as the Pope is not advocating government confiscation from the rich to give to the poor, hes preaching Christianity, not Communism.”
This is why I didn’t want a Pope from a Latin American country. They’ve got too much “social justice” attitude in them. This eventually turns into take from the rich and give it to the poor. In other words, a Commie Pope. I want Pope Benedict back. This Pope will be all for Barak Obama and his policies.
“Why should there be an equal distribution of wealth? Why do the rich who have earned their wealth by productivity and voluntary trade need to give it away? They already gave their products in trade. Why is it immoral to produce wealth and keep it but moral to give it away? Why does someones need give them a claim to the life, the work and the property of others? These questions have never been answered rationally. It is fine to help someone voluntarily but to say it is their moral duty to help others is fantastic. Instead of calling for redistribution of wealth the pope should be campaigning for an equal distribution of liberty and for laissez faire capitalism because no other institution has done more to elevate the lot of the common man in the history of the world. Its not even close.”
Worth repeating, which I just did. Bully.
He who does not work, does not eat
“HES THE POPE...Its his job to look out for the poor. Yikes, people.”
Not the way he words it. And I find his constant show of solidarity for the poor as if no one else exists that needs spiritual attending to, ostentatious, in a peculiar way. This not living in the Pope’s apartment is baloney. He’s the Pope, not some commoner in a Pope’s disguise. If you are going to be a Pope, act like one. He’s too much a Jesuit, and the conclave should have known better than to hire one. There was a reason he was the first and only Jesuit picked, and hopefully the only Jesuit who will be a Pope after this one’s gone.
Plus, in order to hammer home his man of the people role, he intentionally puts himself in harm’s way mingling with the masses and not using the protection of the enclosed Pope mobile. One day someone, like a whacko Muslim (such as attacked Pope Paul the to be Great) is going to use this Pope for target practice also. He should smarten up and not consider himself invincible, unless he sees himself as a potential martyr, and is intentionally tempting fate.
I just can’t cotton up to this Pope. He wreaks of that Commie social justice philosophy that permeated Latin American countries in general, and infiltrated the Latin American Catholic Church as well. This is also why, before they elected this Pope, I argued that any Pope elected should be from a Western culture, either European or from Canada or the U.S. Not from third world countries on third world continents with a different attitude and view of what Catholicism is. The fact that a PC Pope has been elected is deeply disappointing.
Boy this pope is pathetic compared to the last two
Do you do that?
What form of transportation he chooses is completely irrelevant to this discussion and you know it.
What is 2+2?
Hey isn’t 3 cute over there, I heard he was dating 5. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
You forgot to add all the little boys they ever wanted.
Worth repeating, which I just did. Bully.
Matt 19:16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Why do the rich who have earned their wealth by productivity and voluntary trade need to give it away? They already gave their products in trade. Why is it immoral to produce wealth and keep it but moral to give it away? Why does someones need give them a claim to the life, the work and the property of others?
While I don't say that it is immoral to produce wealth...the question is, "why is it moral to give it away?"
Why does our Lord tell that rich young man to give it all away and follow Him?
Why did Our Lord say that "a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven?"
Why did Our Lord say that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God?
Why this parable?
Luke 16:19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Or why this one:
Matt 25:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Now when the Holy Father says…
…Everybody, according to his or her particular opportunities and responsibilities, should be able to make a personal contribution to putting an end to so many social injustices. The culture of selfishness and individualism that often prevails in our society is not what builds up and leads to a more habitable world: it is the culture of solidarity that does so, seeing others not as rivals or statistics, but brothers and sisters…
(Note: if you'd like to read what he actually said, feel free to click on this link)
…it seems to me that he is basically saying the same thing that Jesus said in the Gospels.
Please feel free to provide me Chapter and Verse, but I sure don't seem to recall where Jesus said "don't share with the poor. They are lazy bastards"
[Now, don't get me wrong, if you have somebody hanging out in your church who is able to work but, when offered to work, refuses to do so, voluntarily preferring to live off of the charity of the saints, that's a different situation altogether (2 Thes 3:10-12). But that one reference does not negate or even contradict the massive body of words that Christ, himself, spoke]
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