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Posted on 07/25/2013 7:58:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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“Why does our Lord tell that rich young man to give it all away and follow Him”
Good, you start first and be an example. Give away everything you own and go into a convent with a vow of poverty. Start now, if you are serious.
P.S., in case you are a male, go into a monestary,rather than a convent. But make sure to give away everything you own. Everything, and take a vow of poverty. Lead by example.
“He wreaks of that Commie social justice philosophy”:
I forgot to type a correction to my tome above. It is “reeks”, not “wreaks”. It’s late.
It would be nice if people even bothered with 10%. Most wouldn't even do that.
If my wife precedes me in death, I plan to do just that.
“If my wife precedes me in death, I plan to do just that.”
Fine, doesn’t stop you from giving away all of your wealth now. Just don’t tell your wife what you are up to. She may not feel the same if she sees the movers coming one day to empty out your house, lol.
Problem is when there are MORE rich/poor folks, with either FEW or NO middle class.
At least to this Pope’s CREDIT he reaches out to people.
How many poor people have become rich through years of government giveaway programs vs. poor people who have become rich through years of discipline and hard work?
Why would I not tell my wife?
Do you think that I would marry a non-Christian?
I'm very sorry you have a problem with Christ and His words.
Got to consider at least this Pope is a first, from the western hemisphere.
Yeah, the church isn’t rich is it?
Your opinion and your opinion only.
“In other words, a Commie Pope. I want Pope Benedict back. This Pope will be all for Barak Obama and his policies.”
There is no stronger opponent of communism than the Catholic Church. Popes have written encyclicals against socialism (seeing it as violating property rights and workers’ rights to their wages), while our governments have sold us out to Red China. While Jesus encouraged charity, He never mandated it.
“It would be nice if people even bothered with 10%. Most wouldn’t even do that.”
There is no reason to do that via religious groups anymore. I spend much more than 10% of my income clothing, feeding, and housing people who won’t do it for themselves. Religious groups in bed with the Dems are finding out that the Dems want the gubmint to take over the religious groups’ roles in such things. “Charity” is forced under threat of IRS audit...
Sadly, you are absolutely right. "With the shekels come shackles."
The way I read it, it's an individual responsibility to do what each of us is able to do. As necessary, to pool our resources, voluntarily, as needed.
For example, if a family in your church were the victims of a house fire...and lost everything...I would certainly hope that other members of the church would offer to help them out (spare bedroom...buy groceries...etc) until they got on their feet. If a town is nailed by a F-4 tornado, that Christians in neighboring towns would work together to help them out. And so on.
The only time, in my mind, that the state government, much less the federal government, would have need to be involved...if we acted as the above...is with a "Hurricane Agnes" type scenario that wiped out major areas of the country.
Sadly, as evidenced here, there are enough people who would say "to hell with you" that it will be impossible to make any kind of a case that private, community based charity could do the job.
Socialism gained popularity in the 19th century because the decidedly unchristian behavior of some made it possible for some very evil men to use that as an excuse to rile up the masses. The only thing that will finally relegate socialism to the dustbin of history is authentic Christian behavior on the part of the vast majority.
I have to say that in recent years our charitable giving has gotten much more personal. It’s easy in these times - there are lots of family people un and underemployed. And of course tragedy strikes where people need emergency assistance (fire, catastrophic illness). But the days of me giving to a Catholic run charitable organization (except for pro-life ones) are all but over. The bishops campaigned all those years for government handouts. My taxes are now over 50%, while half the country pays little or nothing. LEt the bishops make do with what they get from their beloved Uncle Sam. That’s my share.
” But the days of me giving to a Catholic run charitable organization (except for pro-life ones) are all but over.”
Sadly, I agree.
Well, there's an arrogance. The Church, that is, Jesus, says to ATTEND Mass on Sundays, as an obligation, not a suggestion. You take in on yourself to say, Nah, don't wanna. I hafta but I don't wanna, and I ain't gonna.
You aren't a Catholic. Face it, not lapsed, not NUTHIN'.
I've heard that "I don't need a building to pray..." routine for YEARS. It's all baloney.
You wanna do what YOU wanna do and no stinkin' Church is gonna tell YOU different. You're gonna keep holy the Sabbath the way YOU want to.
Wow, there's an arrogance.
Lot's of luck, o independent. You ain't a Catholic in any sense of the word. Get over it. Try ANY Protestant faith; they are into that--their own interpretation is the key. Fit's you to a "t."
“social justice” is commie code speak for confiscation and redistribution.
He’s sent off a series of signals that are prgrosssive indicating
So much for not judging him as you said in an earlier post. Tell us how you really feel.
Yeah, since I am not of the rc practice, I am under whelmed. The catholic church ,particularly in Latin America , has spent soooo much time in recent decades preaching the social gospel and social justice that I do not hear the spiritual message they supposedly contain.
The gospel of the Nazarene is very distinct. It calls us to follow him. It also shows us that one should render unto ceasar that which is ceasar’s and unto God what is God’s. I am so sick of this call for ‘redistribution’ of wealth and for social justice. I will believe the pope actually takes it to heart when the catholic church divests itself of ALL worldly property and gives the proceeds to the poor. Paul had no church nor did any of the apostles. The pope is just another power driven politician in church clothing
“Social justice” does not belong to the communists, it’s an idea the communists stole from Christianity. Just because we denounce Communism doesn’t mean we reject the original idea.
A sign of sloppy thinking.
ALL Justice is "social."
As Thomas Sowell has said, "A man living alone on a desert island has no need of Justice."
Then please, enlighten us heathens as to what the Christian idea of social justice is (as compared to simple left-wing politics).
“Why would I not tell my wife?
Do you think that I would marry a non-Christian?
I’m very sorry you have a problem with Christ and His words.”
What in heavens name are you talking about? I said you should give up all your wealth now, but don’t tell your wife when the mover comes to take out all your worldly goods, with a lol attached. Obviously you didn’t pick up on that. Marry a non-Christian? Where did THAT come from? I never said anything about who you married and I could care less. And as to the problem with Christ line you came up with, you don’t know me from an Adam’s apple, so don’t jump to any conclusions as to who has a corner on Christ’s market. Geez.... Talk about reading all sorts of meaning into my comments that are totally misconstrued from what I was actually saying. Bottom line, give up all your wealth now if you literally interpret what Christ meant when he said to do so. And if you aren’t, why not?
Isn’t the Catholic Church loaded with that ‘filthy lucre’ stuff? Controls much of the world’s wealth? What is the Catholic Church doing about this ‘social injustice’?
“Social justice does not belong to the communists, its an idea the communists stole from Christianity. Just because we denounce Communism doesnt mean we reject the original idea.”
They are one and the same now, as it pertains to Latin America. That is the common connotation regarding the communist influence in South America and its infiltration into the Catholic Church and amongst many priests. It is redistribution of the wealth from the rich to the poor. This Pope just stated that the rich “must” do more for the poor and he called for a “culture of solidarity” to replace the “selfishness and individualism” prevailing in modern society. That is communist speak, especially the use of the word “solidarity” which is what Obama and his minions use all the time, along with most commie inclined minority groups.
And attacking individualism? He just attacked the whole Republican Party and the history of our founding fathers based on rugged individualism. And an attack on the capitalistic philosophy, I might add. Conservatives believe a rising tide lifts all boats. The more capitalism is practiced, the better off everyone in the country is, as it increases the size of the middle class, and a large middle class is what keeps a country from becoming communist in the first place. That is why Obama and his Admin want to get rid of the middle class, so that he can make us into a socialist/communist country according to his ideology. This Pope, to me, is showing his “social justice” hand, in the bad connotation of the words, and I’m not a happy camper. I want Pope Benedict back and I’m sticking to that.
I was inwardly leery but totally respectful of this Pope from the gitgo....and I posted WHY on this board at that time. His words were catching my attention virtually daily.
Many of us have decades of training in the language of the marxist, socialists and redistributionists. We know very well their emphasis on appealing to the emotions of the under-informed to further their agendas. Plus, we know how they also use their tried-and-true "buzzwords".
Buzzwords are words invoked to elicit positive or negative emotions and responses. ""Stalin" is a buzzword, evoking negative reactions. "Social justice" is a buzzword phrase evoking positive reactions. How can anyone not be in favor of "social justice"?
Trouble is, the marxists and redistributionists have now stolen this perfectly fine phrase to utilize it as one of their most effective propaganda tools to confiscate the wealth of the haves to give it away to the underprivileged.
This new Pope has gone out of his way to be one of the "common folks" which is fine, but he is now coupling this with some emotion-driven, seemingly "social justice" rhetoric........which is now causing a conservative capitalist such as I to begin to wonder where he's going with all this.
“Socialism gained popularity in the 19th century because the decidedly unchristian behavior of some made it possible for some very evil men to use that as an excuse to rile up the masses. The only thing that will finally relegate socialism to the dustbin of history is authentic Christian behavior on the part of the vast majority.”
Good points, though I suspect we can never go back to the point where we were responsible for our own actions/decisions. Americans have liked the taste of the no-consequence lifestyle, so we’ll always have socialism (and abortion).
Pope Benedict Emeritus, you have to understand was just simply too worn out to continue being Pope. Plus he may have had health issues. Also well into his 80’s, as close to advance age as my dear mother who is in her 80’s.
Also Pope Francis is much more like a Francisian than a Jesuit in living a simple life.
You got to remember that God puts Popes in the position of being Pope at a time when they are called to lead the Church as Christ’s Vicar.
Plus I have not seen such joy in the faces of the young people since Saint John Paul II.
Plus we should rejoice that it is a FIRST that a Pope is from the Americas.
“Plus we should rejoice that it is a FIRST that a Pope is from the Americas.”
Not from South America, which is still very third world in many places. And it is not of western heritage and by that I mean countries that derived from Europe, of European heritage, such as Canada, the U.S., Australia. And of course, from Europe. Catholicism grew up in the West, not in China, not in India, not in Latin America, not in Africa, but in Europe and her offshoots. That’s just the way it is. Any other culture does not have the same history, social mores, ways of thinking about Catholicism. My opinion for you to prove to me otherwise.
God is not a Capitalist, any more than he is a Communist. And heaven is not some libertarian utopia, in fact it is a benevolent monarchy with no private properties.
Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist, and instead look at as Godly vs the unGodly.
“Plus I have not seen such joy in the faces of the young people since Saint John Paul II.”
The Church is not just for the young. If it were, the Church couldn’t survive easily as it isn’t the young that have any of that evil capitalistic money that keeps the Church afloat.
Ahhh...sounds like you are the judge of what is righteous...you should look in a mirror.
“Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist”
No thanks. I’d rather look at the world as capitalist than communist any day.
You forget that the Church is not just only in Europe, but it has gone forth, to the Americas, to Africa, and to other countries as well. You forget that it took Europe to colonize the Americas, both North and South. And even now, though there are still 3rd world conditions in South America, Brazil in a special way, with a country that is not just hosting WYD, but also the World Soccer tournament and the summer olympics, it is making an effort to better itself.
Plus Pope Franics is saying by him being Pope that it is time Catholics that we rediscover the Bible.
“Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist, and instead look at as Godly vs the unGodly.”
By the way, capitalist = mostly godly; communist = mostly ungodly.
At least we are seeing with HOPE the future of the Church at events such as WYD.
“You forget that the Church is not just only in Europe, but it has gone forth, to the Americas, to Africa, and to other countries as well. You forget that it took Europe to colonize the Americas, both North and South.”
Where to start. How patronizing to tell me I forget that the Church is not only Europe. Obviously the Catholic Church is now throughout the world via evangelization. However, it is, and was, a Western religion, not an African, Indian, Chinese, Latin American religion in origin, as I thought I made clear in my last post to you. I’ll try again. I believe the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, should not come from a country that is not western in origin.
The Catholic Church’s heritage is in the west and should be led by a western Pope. Anyone from any country can be a Catholic, however, the leader should be from where the religion primarily existed for a couple of thousand years, which is in the Western heritage countries, not third world ones. And I don’t know about others, but I didn’t realize the Bible needed rediscovering.
Besides this Pope at least, via his parents were Italian so he does have a western heritage.
Maybe you forget that it was God who guided the cardinals to elect Pope Francis who is needed at a time when the Gospel of Jesus not only has to be preached, but lived out?
Hmmm, an opinion of mine now turns YOU into the judge of what is righteous. Speaking of mirrors...you brought it up.
Was I sugar coatin' it?
I thought this was an OPINION FORUM. Dang. WHAT was I thinking??