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Lincoln Memorial Vandalized
CBS ^ | 7/26/13

Posted on 07/26/2013 3:42:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: Hegewisch Dupa

its so alinski of you to bring up the slander of America’s greatest president just to justify your racist support of Dixie, too.


101 posted on 07/27/2013 11:04:02 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: RaceBannon

that’s a valid point, and therefore must be ignored.


102 posted on 07/27/2013 11:24:36 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: donmeaker

The founding fathers would have rode you out of town on a rail - you hater of the republic. Federal boot licker, I don’t know why I even bother with a slug like you. Again you show you are an idiot.


103 posted on 07/27/2013 12:05:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

So you don’t have an answer to my questions.

So noted.


104 posted on 07/27/2013 1:29:00 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

Having another tough day cva?


105 posted on 07/27/2013 1:45:36 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Just the opposite - apparently he's found inside information that The Founders preferred the Biennial Anarchy System. Although they didn't quite get around to instituting it, all those who even questioned it were to be run outta town on a rail, that's how awesome it was.
106 posted on 07/27/2013 1:57:21 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Perhaps it comes from being a shoe fetishist? LOL


107 posted on 07/27/2013 2:01:04 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Biennial Anarchy System.

Only someone with their head completely up there ass would call states regaining their sovereignty anarchy. I made that comment to catch the statist tools. I have caught you too, keep it up boot lickers.

108 posted on 07/27/2013 2:01:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr

Very predictive of you - nice work!


109 posted on 07/27/2013 2:03:02 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; rockrr
You guys work out partners?


110 posted on 07/27/2013 2:05:31 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

gotta admit, that’s just damn funny - nice!


111 posted on 07/27/2013 3:06:52 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

That’s from cva’s private gallery - he only trots it out when he’s “in the mood” if you catch my drift. ;-)


112 posted on 07/27/2013 3:09:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va

Or perhaps someone who thinks that life would be easier to predict, and business growth or operation easier to manage if the entire basis of the legal system was periodically changed in unpredictable ways has a basic problem with their reality orientation.


113 posted on 07/27/2013 8:08:16 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Or perhaps someone who thinks that life would be easier to predict, and business growth or operation easier to manage if the entire basis of the legal system was periodically changed in unpredictable ways has a basic problem with their reality orientation.

So Liechtenstein and Monaco can exists sovereigns, but Arkansas cannot? Screw you thug, you statist pig dog. I spit in your fascist face.....

They have some silly rule that if you call someone a Nazi then you loose, well the shoe fits...

Get off "Free Republic" you creep.

114 posted on 07/28/2013 5:50:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker
Mathew 5:29

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Litany of secession:

If the federal government causes you to sin against God then secede from it, cut it off like a cancerous limb; cast it from thee because it is far better to live in a smaller, free republic of God fearing states than perish in the hellfire of centralized federal tyranny. Whatever hardship may come secede just the same for it is profitable for a group of states to restore a Free Republic than let the entire nation cast your state into hell.

115 posted on 07/28/2013 6:34:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Monaco is a pet of France. Lichtenstein is a protectorate of Switzerland. They have been that way for many years.

Your proposition: “Radical change in government every 2 years as the default position” would have none of their advantages.

Tell you what. If states becoming independent is such a good idea, then a city or county becoming independent would be an even better idea. If a city or county becoming independent would be a good idea, then having your own country’s consisting of your house and back yard would be absolutely brilliant. Don’t buy any food not grown in your back yard. Don’t connect to phone lines not controlled completely by you. Enjoy your solitude. Have a happy life.

The sane people will then be untroubled by you.


116 posted on 07/28/2013 10:13:17 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Tell you what. If states becoming independent is such a good idea, then a city or county becoming independent would be an even better idea.

I am talking about states rights jerk off. Quit changing the subject.

117 posted on 07/28/2013 10:55:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

States’ right to what?


118 posted on 07/28/2013 11:03:13 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

The pretend republic that Illinois Butcher™ created suites the DC Fascists. It suites needs of the corporations, media, lobbyists and statist pigs just fine at the expense of the states and the people. FedGov™ :One stop shopping for all of you tyrannical needs”. A situation that you like and are fine with - Boot licker paradise. You are tool and a fool, a pretend patriot with no understanding of the intent of the original republic. Open your little mind and expand on your knowledge and try to question the reconstructed history that has brain washed your feeble mind, here’s to hoping you learn something one day before you die....


119 posted on 07/28/2013 11:03:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Lincoln didn’t create the federal government, and fought the entire insurrection with the courts in session and a seated SCOTUS that on occasion frustrated him. By contrast, Jeff Davis, while not elected in accordance with an accepted constitution, attempted by insurrection to create a government that denied states the rights to abolish slavery, and fought his insurrection without any legal restrictions because he never appointed a pretended counterpart to the US Supreme Court. Jeff Davis fits the definition of tyrant far better than Lincoln.

Sadly, I agree with you that the current federal government has overstepped its authority. I don’t see how refighting the insurrection of 1860 to 1865 leads to reduced federal authority. Against insurrection, the federal government gains power. I would not start an insurrection absent the most important and crucial purposes. As last time it would do more harm than good.

I don’t see how having people who support smaller government restricted to roles outside the government would ever lead to smaller government. Rather, I would have people who support smaller government inside the government so they could help shrink it.

It would be very nice if the SCOTUS would hold that the Department of Agriculture, Education, Labor, HUD were unconstitutional for a start. They haven’t done so, so the appropriate approach would be to win some elections, and in that way get people inside the government that can pare back its excesses. That realization was in part why I changed my registration from Libertarian to Republican. That frightens people enough that Gov. Christie of NJ felt it necessary to complain publicly about libertarians in the Republican party.

States can also be tyrannical, and the federal constitutional guarantee to the states of a republican form of government is one of the crucial feedback loops that could prevent state tyranny. The clause that grants people from out of state ‘privileges or immunities’ is crucial to efficient use of production.

What is a corporation? It is a voluntary association of people. People apply for positions in the corporation, they seek to purchase shares, they do business with it, and they loan it money voluntarily, or they do none of those things as they choose, using their personal benefit and interests to guide their decision. Leftists really hate the voluntary nature of the corporation. They ape its success as an organizational principle, while rejecting its voluntary nature. Accordingly government leftists start pretended corporations like Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae, using coerced funding, and then force people to do business with them. There is nothing wrong with a corporation that would not be cured by removing coercion.

Corporations with bad people, bad business models, or bad circumstances can and should go down, and in so doing they free resources for good people, good business models and improved circumstances to profit. Their failures only hurt the people who choose to do business with them. In that way, the wider public is preserved and protected from business failure.


120 posted on 07/28/2013 11:31:50 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

The Republic stood before Lincoln assumed office and still stood after he was gone, your delusions notwithstanding. You are wound tight as a drum cva - you would do well to find something else that is more relaxing to do.


121 posted on 07/28/2013 11:35:26 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: donmeaker
I changed my registration from Libertarian to Republican.

A Lincoln Lovin' statist Libertarian, weird.

122 posted on 07/28/2013 3:55:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr
You are wound tight as a drum cva

I'm fine, it's you fools that are lugging around the weigh of oppression without seeing it. One day when the scales fall from your eyes then you will see.

123 posted on 07/28/2013 3:58:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Actually, no you’re not. Your language is offensive, your positions are preposterous and you’re only semi-coherent. If you keep going on this way someone is going to take notice - and not in as nice a way.

Don’t play the fool, FRiend ;-)


124 posted on 07/28/2013 4:18:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

FU


125 posted on 07/28/2013 4:26:31 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Dude, you are out of control. In answer to your PM, no - I am not threatening you. What an imbecilic thing to say! How am I going to follow through with that - cast a spell on you?! Send secret electrical impulses through the Intarweb? Come on.

I would be doing you a favor to ping the mod to have some of your more outrageous posts removed but I won’t. Instead I am inclined to leave them here as witness to what happens when someone loses their grip on reality.

Y’all have yourself a super technicolor day now, ‘yhear?


126 posted on 07/28/2013 6:03:50 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Wow, I must be over the target. A lot of flack here. I seem to be getting under you skin. Love it.


127 posted on 07/28/2013 6:11:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I was a Libertarian in California. I changed jobs, and moved to Sealy Texas.

I lived in Ron Paul’s district in Texas. I went to a few of his events. Oddly, he seemed to pander to people who favored secession. Not in 1860, but next week. They seemed a bit off to me, like the New Hampshire Libertarians who really only care about smoking pot.

To find sane people I joined the Republican Party. I really used to enjoy the barbeques. I even got myself a Barbeque Gun. Just needed something to break the ice. Clip loaded revolvers are rare enough to be remarkable and worthy of conversation.

Good people, once you get past their quirks.


128 posted on 07/28/2013 9:16:31 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Not interested in your pretend life. Tell someone the gives a crap....


129 posted on 07/29/2013 4:51:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker
Tell someone the that gives a crap
130 posted on 07/29/2013 4:58:55 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You seemed to be interested enough to comment questioning how I could admire the great work that Lincoln did while myself being attracted to Libertarian Party and libertarian ideas.

I personally am very interested in how you picked up the mishmash of falsehood and spin that you seem to have influencing you. Feel free, if you like, to send a private message.

One great problem with government is corruption. One approach to corruption is to have power diffused, so that once one part becomes corrupt, another part either uncorrupted or even corrupted differently, can hold the other in check. That is the great genius of the US federal system. If a state government is corrupted, it could be put back in line by the people, or it could be restricted by the federal government, or the bad effects of its corruption could be mitigated by the inflow or outgo of uncorrupted people. We see how corrupt Detroit has hemmoraged jobs and people, and those who left are now less affected by Detroit’s corruption.

If one was to accept that Reconstruction government was corrupt, it was in part cured by KKK murders, and in part by the refusal of the US government to continue suppression of the KKK. In response to corruption in the de-reconstructed south, investments in the south were reduced, or were limited to areas where corruption was less of a problem.

On the other hand, if the pre-Reconstruction government was corrupt, or was differently corrupt, the intervention of the US government was at least able to change the path of its corruption, reducing the effect of that corruption on freedmen for the duration of the federal intervention.


131 posted on 07/29/2013 2:06:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

It would be nice if you could discuss something without vulgar ad hominem attacks. You have some degree of learning and different experiences than I and I would like to understand it. The vulgarisms and ad hominem attacks detracts from your message.


132 posted on 07/29/2013 2:08:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Your “pretend” comments are falling on deaf ears.


133 posted on 07/29/2013 3:58:52 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker
One approach to corruption is to have power diffused

Your statement shows a lack of understanding of the republic and its founding. The entire purpose of the US Constitution was to diffuse centralized power. Don't get hung up on the BOR. Lincoln aside, the republic was dealt a death blow in the 1860's. Thirty years later the Progressives finished off the weakened republic( I blame Lincoln for that weakened condition) with the 16th and 17th Amendments. Those two amendments killed the republic.

Try "rubbing your nose" in that and "pretend" you understand what I am saying.

134 posted on 07/29/2013 4:08:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The Consitution did indeed diffuse power, and federal powers were listed.

State powers were also limited, and to prevent military conflict between the states, (each state retained its militia) a means of resolution was provided using legal process, with the supreme court as original jurisdiction.

Citizens of one state are given rights when traveling through or doing business in other states in the Priviledges or Immunities clause. States rights to oppress local residents was further limited by the 14th Amendment.

The income tax amendment actually had minor effect. Income from wages, capital gains, or profits could already be taxed indirectly. Only income from rent of a property was considered not an indirect tax on behavior as it was thought to be too close to a direct tax on the value of the property, and so income on rent of property was not permitted to be taxed indirectly before the amendment. After the amendment, income from whatever source could be taxed indirectly. Other types of direct taxes (say a head tax) still retain the limitation as being proportional to census population. Since incomes and cost of living in different regions are different, head taxes are not used at the federal level.

The Election of Senators acted to diffuse power still more, removing authority to elect senators from the state legislature, and giving it to state voters. If diffuse power is a good thing, this was a good thing. Senator seats still remain hard to gerrymander, and still retain their long tenure in office.


135 posted on 07/29/2013 6:58:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

To my mind, the northern US states had a better argument for secession than the southern states. The northern states were being denied due process for their citizens by the southern dominated US government. Further, they were being denied the authority to ban slavery on their own territory.

Still, they did not pretend to secession.

Slavery was indeed the kind of sin that would have justified secession, on the part of those who were opposed to the kidnapping, rape, and torture that were routinely used by the slave power. Justifying secession based on the demand that pretended rights to rape, torture, and kidnapping, not so much.


136 posted on 07/29/2013 9:01:29 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Citizens of one state are given rights when traveling through or doing business in other states in the Priviledges or Immunities clause. States rights to oppress local residents was further limited by the 14th Amendment.

The income tax amendment actually had minor effect.

The Election of Senators acted to diffuse power still more, removing authority to elect senators from the state legislature, and giving it to state voters. If diffuse power is a good thing, this was a good thing.

All unnecessary wordiness aside, you are now on record defending both the 16th and 17th amendments. All of Freeperdom knows what kind of person you "pretend" to be. In reality you are a progressive. IMO You should not be here.

137 posted on 07/30/2013 4:25:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Rather, if you can not defend the US constitution, as passed, and as amended, perhaps you would be happier someplace else.


138 posted on 07/30/2013 2:10:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
perhaps you would be happier someplace else.

Happy? You are happy? You are an idiot and a progressive. ( same thing)

139 posted on 07/30/2013 2:13:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I note you have no substantive disagreement with my reading of the various amendments.

You may prefer legislative selection of senators, as the common people can’t be trusted to vote for the right person.

You may prefer that large landowners not be taxed for rent they collect, while the people who pay them rent are taxed on their wages.

I think those amendments were reasonable changes in principle. That doesn’t mean I approve of all that happened afterwards. I am also on record for abolishing the Departments of Agriculture, Education, Labor, Housing and Urban Development as a start.


140 posted on 07/30/2013 2:14:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: central_va

Of course I am happy!

Despite errors in government, I have a family, children to homeschool, a job, and confidence that the errors that the government makes today can be fixed tomorrow.


141 posted on 07/30/2013 2:16:11 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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Thanks SoFloFreeper.

142 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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