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Egypt braced for showdown between army supporters and Muslim Brotherhood - live updates
UK Guardian ^ | July 26, 2013 | Haroon Siddique

Posted on 07/26/2013 5:51:31 AM PDT by don-o

Pro-military demonstration scheduled for later • Judge orders detention of Morsi over Hamas links

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; waronterror
This promises to be a most eventful day.
1 posted on 07/26/2013 5:51:31 AM PDT by don-o
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To: allendale

ping


2 posted on 07/26/2013 5:53:19 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: caww; melancholy

ping


3 posted on 07/26/2013 5:54:28 AM PDT by maggief
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To: All

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4 posted on 07/26/2013 5:58:45 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Morsi has neither been seen or heard since July 3. He is already an icon and martyr to the Islamists. If he died resisting the coup, there will be chaos. If his first words when seen are to denounce the coup and a call to his followers for “justice”, there will be chaos and mayhem. Can’t see how this will turn out good for Egypt. Egypt is already destitute. Widespread violence will make it prostate. The Arab donors will not subsidize it for long. Soon there will be hordes of impoverished but still fervent refugees pouring into the lands formerly known as Christendom.


5 posted on 07/26/2013 6:05:19 AM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

Yea and if it even remotely appears that a real democratic state begins to emerge, Obama will withdraw US funding before the water boils.


6 posted on 07/26/2013 6:15:42 AM PDT by ping jockey (Justice is blind)
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To: allendale
It's either that, or let Morsi turn it into another Afghanistan. They don't want have to live under fundamentalist Islamic rule, and they rightly hate Obama and this adminsitration for supporting and helping architect the propaganda campaign and corrupted election process that tried to foist it upon them.

They should terminate the MB, their followers, and their supporters, with extreme prejudice.

IMHO

7 posted on 07/26/2013 6:21:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: allendale
Widespread violence will make it prostate.

Ouch. (Spelling police).

8 posted on 07/26/2013 6:22:17 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: allendale

As you pointed out on the other thread, the urban / rural divide is very significant. There is more to Egypt that Cairo and Alexandria.

And, furthermore, I have serious doubts that any country with a large Muslim population can ever exist under anything other some form of despotism.

The basis for liberty is just not there.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 6:30:47 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: ping jockey

>>>Yea and if it even remotely appears that a real democratic state begins to emerge, Obama will withdraw US funding before the water boils.....

check this out

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3047518/posts


10 posted on 07/26/2013 6:33:50 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Egypt formally accuses ousted president in 2011 jailbreak as thousands mass on streets
11 posted on 07/26/2013 6:46:20 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: tacticalogic

Most rational people devoutly wish that the Moslem Brotherhood,the Wahabbi, the Taliban and all of the adherents of political Islam would disappear forever. However the political reality is that the population they represent is probably a majority and will not change anytime soon. In Egypt the majority is rural, poorly educated, impoverished and Islamic. America tends to view Egypt through the lens of the media which centers on urban Western oriented secularists. Unfortunately most of the Islamic world does not share Western values. They do however demand modern goods and to be well fed.


12 posted on 07/26/2013 6:46:46 AM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale
Unfortunately most of the Islamic world does not share Western values. They do however demand modern goods and to be well fed.

Then they've got a choice to make, and consequences to live with.

13 posted on 07/26/2013 6:54:35 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: allendale
Egypt's wheat problem: how Mursi jeopardized the bread supply
14 posted on 07/26/2013 6:57:17 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

The greatest strategic error the US has made in the last fifteen years whether it be in Iraq, Afghanistan,Syria or soon Iran is that we can change political and social realities at the point of a bayonet. The recent jail break in Iraq where 500 al Queda terrorists that cost the live of many young brave Americans to capture underscores the futility of American entanglement in the internal affairs of these countries. Nation building is the silly fantasy of on sabbatical academics sitting in air conditioned Washington offices. The reality is that they, if they have oil, are forced to sell it to anyone with hard currency or they will wither and starve. There will never again be a 1973 effective OPEC boycott. The US should disengage from direct involvement in the Mideast. Our policies simply do not benefit the American people and actually destabilize the region over the long term.


15 posted on 07/26/2013 7:01:36 AM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

From Source article:

I’ve just received this dispatch from Patrick Kingsley in Cairo.

Millions are expected on Egypt’s streets later this afternoon, but Tahrir Square – the centre of anti-Morsi and pro-army sentiment in recent weeks – is only just starting to fill up.

It already has the feel of a military pageant. There are perhaps 5,000 already there, many wearing photographs of General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi – the army chief who forced Morsi from office following mass protests on 30 June – around their necks. Every 10 minutes, military helicopters fly over head to loud cheers from the crowd. Smiling protesters have their photos taken with the soldiers who are securing the entrances to the square, some of them sitting on large armoured personnel carriers.


16 posted on 07/26/2013 7:10:18 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Aljazeera live
17 posted on 07/26/2013 7:14:09 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

The Western oriented secularists, with whom Americans rightly identify with, have placed their future well being and that of Egypt on the ability of the Army to suppress and control the worst elements of political Islam. Historically this strategy rarely works. The tragedy is that Morsi, unseen and unheard since July 3, has become an icon and martyr that will inspire the political Islamist throughout the world for a very long time. Sorry to say but the future in Egypt is not one of peace and prosperity.


18 posted on 07/26/2013 7:19:16 AM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale
NBC live cam from Tahir Square
19 posted on 07/26/2013 8:39:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: allendale

Your posts are ignorant. The opposite is happening, instead.

Egypt is peaceful even as millions protest and rally...and the MB has lost face by starving its poor supporters.


20 posted on 07/26/2013 11:18:34 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: don-o
"I have serious doubts that any country with a large Muslim population can ever exist under anything other some form of despotism. The basis for liberty is just not there."

Agreed, however, Egypt is a strange step-child of Islam. They have been somewhat more successful than the ME Muslim countries and it appears through this latest coup, they still want to be. They are losing their tourism base, and many are seeing it with Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood. I believe most Egyptians do not want strict Islamists to rule. They have had a long taste of western economics through tourism and are losing their livelihoods.

Of course, Obama and Hillary were as usual on the wrong side. My prediction: The military coup installs a moderate Islamist or even a secular government that will bring Egypt back into the modern world.

21 posted on 07/27/2013 1:08:59 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Southack

I agree with you...

Morsi was a puppet like the Ptolemy pharaohs.

All those billions in IMF loans proved it to them.


22 posted on 07/27/2013 5:51:17 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: allendale; SunkenCiv

“Behold, I am Set, the creator of confusion, who creates both the tempest and the storm throughout the length and breadth of the heavens.”

Naville, Edouard, trans. Egyptian Book of the Dead of the XVIII to XX Dynasties, Berlin, 1886.


23 posted on 07/27/2013 5:53:14 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Southack

We shall see.


24 posted on 07/27/2013 6:14:52 AM PDT by allendale
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To: don-o; maggief; hoosiermama; melancholy; caww; kristinn; thouworm

This is unreal. I just got online..all hell is breaking loose.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/jul/27/egypt-clashes-morsi-supporters-live

Egypt clashes: at least 130 Mohamed Morsi supporters killed in Cairo – liveLiveTurmoil that has convulsed Egypt for weeks deepens as security forces shoot dead more than 130 Muslim Brotherhood supporters before pre-dawn prayers near Cairo’s Rabaa al-Adawia mosque


Is this our live thread now? It’s the one in breaking news..


25 posted on 07/27/2013 8:19:32 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
Is this our live thread now? It’s the one in breaking news..

I don't know what to say about "live thread". There is still the one with all the picture mostly that folks are posting to. I started this one for sharing of actual info about events as they unfolded. It did not seem to go much of anywhere.

26 posted on 07/27/2013 8:27:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: SE Mom; maggief; caww

This is not true...I heard the minister of interior’s press conference.

The MB attacked the police that was far away from Rabaa and opened fire on the police!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3039526/posts?page=1531#1531

The communist Islamist guardian chose the big lie, the sensational headlines to serve their agenda! They also wrote:

“The minister for the interior said that only 21 people were killed and none by the security forces. He also warned that the Muslim Brotherhood protesters would be cleared from the streets when the time was right.”

So, which is it commies?


27 posted on 07/27/2013 8:40:19 AM PDT by melancholy (READ MY LIPS, NO POLITICAL ISLAM, EVER!!)
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To: don-o

K..thanks!


28 posted on 07/27/2013 8:40:30 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: melancholy

Thanks so much..am over on that thread now...


29 posted on 07/27/2013 8:42:46 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Mommy, if the only people being killed are MBers, then that is controlled, not chaos...not all hell breaking loose...

Just positive change.


30 posted on 07/27/2013 10:07:13 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SE Mom

You’re very welcome and hope you’re feeling better!

TSK...TSK...TSK...I asked you then to have someone let us know that you were OK, but not to be. -:)

Glad it’s over.


31 posted on 07/27/2013 11:25:17 AM PDT by melancholy (READ MY LIPS, NO POLITICAL ISLAM, EVER!!)
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To: melancholy

LOL..sorry. Spinal surgery apparently takes a long time to recover from..won’t be back to work til late Aug early Sept.

And yes- feeling better thanks:)


32 posted on 07/27/2013 12:32:37 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

My goodness Mom; I didn’t know. Am glad you are better. Lord, please help me to keep up ... Amen.


33 posted on 07/27/2013 1:21:10 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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