Skip to comments.High-tech and Humanity: 'English Majors Are What We're Looking For'
Posted on 07/26/2013 10:40:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
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We use Quest Active Roles Server here (I’m an AD engineer), and the AD management plugins are really awesome compared to just the ActiveDirectory import module for PS. I spend most of my days scripting in PowerGUI to automate processes in ARS.
Good to know there are FReepers out there doing the same stuff.
“Good code is its own best documentation.”
Good code to a certain point is good documentation however, since every programmer has his own style, it is good manners to comment your logic and why you built it that way. Otherwise you are just a rent-seeking punk looking to make yourself indespensible ans the master of black-box spaghetti code. Just saying.
And then there was code documentation. The engineers programming the company’s products had standards to follow, and code reviews to attend. On the lower floor of the building, the IT engineers, mostly by the time I left Indians, immune to all layoffs, even more so than the few blacks who worked there, these guys didn’t have to do chit, and didn’t, not a single word of documentation in their Java and SQL code, and their (white) management didn’t care, resisted calls for standards, disdained talk of code reviews. I was in those respects lucky, working in IT but coding for Engineering, having to document my perl code, and going through code reviews with the Engineering group which also produced software for Engineering, a weird arrangement, having to do with competing personnel budgets and other such political nonsense.
Hated to see them lose Kirk Munro from the team at Quest. Has support and development suffered any for being acquired by Dell?
He probably had to take more history classes then barber classes
And bean abel two cummyunikate is kinder overrrrraited anyways, doncha think?
Rachel Jeantel has a better chance of getting into a law school (as she’s planning to do) obtaining her masters degree in English than in Rocket Engineering!
Are you series? Its a hugh deal.
LOL... I remember being told many years ago that properly written code was self documenting and did not need comments.
I occasionally cranked out some very elegant code, with comments, but when looking at it some years later I often wondered "what on earth was I thinking that day?" Everything makes great sense at the time, not so much after a year or two.
....How hard it is too major in English? When its youre fist language. Arts and cratfts magors is pointless.
How hard is it to major in English when it’s your first language? Arts and crafts majors are pointless.
This is, to a large extent, no longer offered. That's the actual problem. Instead the Humanities major sits through diatribes about race, class, and gender.
They need people that can read and write cursive.
Ugh... that explains a few things. Unfortunately Quest isn’t directly under my control, and I fear our systems suffer as a result. They use Quest to control user provisioning from Lawson. Other than that, they’re barely using the capabilities of the system. I can’t guess if the lack of utility of the system is due to the incompetence of the team handling the product or lack of support from the vendor, so I can’t say one way or another if support and dev suck.
I don’t need an English major, just somebody who can read and write English properly.
I’m working in a large corporate client’s infrastructure group’s offices. The documentation on that stuff is uneven, older stuff is often non-existent, and I have no faith that in 3-5 years when systems going in today need to be refreshed, anyone will know where the doc they do produce will be located.
It’s pretty interesting.
I have a friend who was attempting to struggle through an English PhD at Auburn, and diatribes about race, class, and gender are about right, based on his reports. Plus he realized that as a white male he had no chance getting anywhere in the academic system in that area.
He gave it up, managed to transition into doing securities analysis, and is very good at it. His writing skills are a large part of the reason why.
LOL. How quaint. You think the folks driving outsourcing care about efficiency? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dude, what have you been smoking? LOL
I don't know. A lot of companies have discovered in recent years, that just because certain nationalities say "yes' to any question you ask of them, it doesn't mean that they have any idea how to do what was asked of them, or even the words coming out of your mouth. They'll say "yeah, yeah" all day long, yet comprehend nothing.
Of course, the "cheap" code they produced for you doesn't have any great relationship to what was requested of them, but that's OK, because it can always be rewritten, because it was cheap.
It is sad that American coders laugh at any attempts to educate them about concepts, systems, processes, methods, or whatever else that has been industry standard for twenty or thirty years, while they continue to build in their own job security with crap coding that is cheaper to replace than maintain. Same, same with American DBAs who are clueless about the purpose of a DB system. Same with PC techs, IT security, sys admins, etc., etc., even IT managers all the way up the food chain. Arrogant Americans, bragging about their own ignorance, and back-stabbing anyone who bothered to invest in a few years of education to qualify themselves to enter their field.
Right now, our company is spending $100 million on a system being built by an Indian firm that will likely put many of us on the streets. Yes, there's a lot of grumbling and worrying.
We have quite a few very competitive coders among our American staff, most with around three decades experience, but most refuse to acknowledge that any advances have occurred in the IT field since COBOL and VSAM hit the market. Most of them have never been on an application project team from start to finish, through every phase of the project, participating in every phase, as educated professionals should have done. They know how to compete; but they don't have a clue how to cooperate to conceive, design, build, and launch a system that will be worth more than it costs to maintain.
They have 20 to 30 years experience coding; entry-level, jack-leg coding; but they have and want the job titles and pay of educated IT professionals, and most won't even pretend to learn about newer technologies and methods. Even with company reimbursement, they refuse to get an education to qualify themselves for their current positions.
If the Apollo program had been plagued with this mindset, every single launch would have ended in the gulf stream, if they could even have gotten off the ground.
I’ve been involved in three outsourced IT shops, two mergers, and an acquisition. The bottom line is efficiency. Efficiency in operations is of paramount concern, and a fast handoff of responsibilities to the new bearers is the primary concern of any manager. The longer it takes to migrate those job responsibilities, the less payoff the higher ups get from the process.
If you can hire, train, and put to work 10 Indian or Eastern European workers for the same cost as one American, why wouldn’t you look to do so? That’s the very heart of capitalism, in my opinion: efficiency for a lower cost.
America’s business problem is her taxes. American-based corporations get put through the ringer around tax time, so much so that the larger ones, Hell even the mid-range corporations, need to have entire armies of financial accountants to keep the ship asea. With IT opex often being the largest chunk of a corporations budget, why wouldn’t they consider outsourcing to save money on hiring domestic workers who have a higher standard of living than those in burgeoning business economies like India or Mexico.
So yes, zeugma, I DO think folks driving outsourcing care about efficiency, because I’ve seen it and know how it works.
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Sorry, but everywhere I've seen "outsourcing" it's been a slow moving train wreck that is so important to the big executives because it makes their numbers appear better that they'll never admit what a dismal failure it is in every way because they plan to jump ship before it crushes the organizations where it has been introduced.
It matters more two some then other’s.
Eye agrea. Butt ive allways thout awl that english stuff was a waist of thyme.
I’ve been through two “successful” outsourcing projects myself. The problem is exit strategy. Oftentimes executives come to leadership, specifically IT in my case, and state, “We need to offshore tech support to save money.” Despite every best- and worst-case scenario presented, they continue with blinders thinking that the end results will be dollars saved. I agree with you, MOST outsourcing projects go terribly awry due to poor project management, mismanagement of budget, failure to temper expectations, and poor relationship management with the new offshore team.
In the cases of success I’ve experienced, we worked (both times) with an outfit called TCS (Tata Consulting Services). They were very professional and eager to assist, and their workers spoke impeccable English. Most of our customers thought they were calling the UK when they got through to support. Additionally, they focused on expectations and set very realistic goals to accomplish the resolution of project goals. In the end, they didn’t save a large sum of money over what they laid out for domestic workers. Additionally, the management group (they tend to travel in packs) wound up leaving the company and leadership decided to hire more domestic workers in one of the companies.
Thankfully, the management types who prided themselves and their teams on effective and efficient outsourcing are starting to fade away. Market changes often dictate a faster approach to shifting winds in IT. What was long-term and slow to form in the late 90s is now fast-moving and rapidly changing.
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