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Did You Know, You Can Be Fired For Being Gay?
AFL-CIO ^ | 7/26/2013 | Kenneth Quinnell

Posted on 07/26/2013 3:35:35 PM PDT by mdittmar

In 2013, it's difficult to believe that in most of the country, it's legal to fire workers for their sexual orientation or gender identity.  It doesn't matter how good you are at your job, if your employer doesn't approve of who you are, he or she can fire you and you have no legal recourse.  The country has long had laws that protect workers from being fired based on their race, gender, religion, disability or other characteristics of their identity.  But sexual and gender identity aren’t usually among those protections.

The AFL-CIO supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) currently before Congress.  William Samuel, the director of the labor federation's Department of Legislation, sent the following letter to senators July 9:

I am writing on behalf of the AFL-CIO to urge you to vote for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013 (S. 815). The AFL-CIO believes it is wrong for any employer to discriminate against or fire a worker based on actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. Discrimination in the workplace has no place in the United States.


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I did not know that,the afl-cio is so informative.

I always knew that if your in a union,and are worthless,you can't be fired.

1 posted on 07/26/2013 3:35:35 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

in this right to work state you can be fired for nothing


2 posted on 07/26/2013 3:38:23 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: mdittmar

Bullsh*t scare tactics by union hacks to try
and inflate membership.


3 posted on 07/26/2013 3:38:27 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: nvscanman

Also to push the homosexual agenda.


4 posted on 07/26/2013 3:39:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: mdittmar
Oh, Brain-dead union propaganda...figures


5 posted on 07/26/2013 3:39:59 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: nvscanman

Yup. When I was in the AFL-CIO one of my co workers was gay. I didn’t really think anything of it because he did his job.

I did call him Dorothy because of the red shoes he wore all the time.


6 posted on 07/26/2013 3:42:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mdittmar
Did you know you can be fired for being against gay marriage?(even if you never express that opinion at work)

Cisco has already fired people for as much.

7 posted on 07/26/2013 3:42:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: mdittmar
Did you know you can be fired for being against gay marriage?(even if you never express that opinion at work)

Cisco has already fired people for as much.

8 posted on 07/26/2013 3:42:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: mdittmar
And at the same time, there are plenty of jobs open exclusively to homosexuals.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 3:43:06 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: mdittmar
Discrimination in the workplace has no place in the United States.

This is the basic problem, for me.

This should be true FOR GOVERNMENT JOBS. Those jobs should be open to all comers.

As a PRIVATE employer, I should be able to HIRE you or FIRE you...

"Discrimination" is not an ugly word.

It's how we differentiate ourselves.

10 posted on 07/26/2013 3:44:14 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: mdittmar
"Did You Know, You Can Be Fired For Being Gay?"

Yeah, so? Being as homosexuality is a sick, perverted, disease-spreading, destructive and immoral mental disorder, they should feel lucky they're not being locked up.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

11 posted on 07/26/2013 3:44:50 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: mdittmar

I don’t know if you are gay until you tell me. You know what? Your sexual activity has no place for discussion in the workplace. Therefore, you are fired for bringing it up.


12 posted on 07/26/2013 3:45:41 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24
I don’t know if you are gay until you tell me.

Bingo. You make it an issue, then I'll make it an issue.

13 posted on 07/26/2013 3:47:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: mdittmar

I guess the unionistas have never heard of AT-WILL employment.

Because they’re sometimes AGAINST-THE-WILL employers.


14 posted on 07/26/2013 3:49:26 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: fwdude

People lambasted Clinton for Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but, in reality, it was a great position.

Sexual behavior at he workplace is no one’s business.

If you insist on identifying yourself by your sexual behavior, then I have the right to discriminate.


15 posted on 07/26/2013 3:51:02 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: mdittmar
This is such a misnomer. What does "being 'gay'" even mean? How does one be "gay?" Are they having sex on their desk?

Some male employee who is inordinately effeminate can be distracting and inimical to workplace productivity. It's more likely an issue of being flamboyant, political and disruptive - all characteristics that warrant a good firing.

16 posted on 07/26/2013 3:51:33 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: mdittmar

Freedom of Association - an outdated concept created by a bunch of dead racist white men according to these jerkwads.

BTW if my boss was gay and he wanted to fire me for being straight, I wouldn’t want to work for him. His right, and his loss. But then again I don’t have a need to validate my sexuality by parading it around and demanding others “accept” (bow down to) me. See, I am comfortable in my own skin...


17 posted on 07/26/2013 3:54:10 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: fwdude

The guy I worked with wasn’t disruptive or anything, it was just like talking with one of the girls.

He was an inspector and was off in his area doing his job and I never had any issues with him.


18 posted on 07/26/2013 3:54:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mdittmar

You can be fired for any or no reason. It’s called “employment at will”, something that unions despise.


19 posted on 07/26/2013 3:56:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: mdittmar
oh yeah???

20 posted on 07/26/2013 3:56:47 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mdittmar

The House had better REJECT this.


21 posted on 07/26/2013 3:59:57 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: wku man

Locked up?

I always find these discussions interesting because in general terms, both sides are partially right. Since someone in my family was once fired for being Jewish, I am a bit sympathetic to that side, even though in general terms I understand that one should be able to hire or fire anyone they choose.


22 posted on 07/26/2013 4:01:02 PM PDT by sakic
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To: mdittmar

I know I didn’t get hired for a job just because (at the time) I smoked. I felt like that was way wrong!


23 posted on 07/26/2013 4:01:37 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: mdittmar

In any decent state, you are employed “at will”, and your employer, who is using his personal money to pay you, can hire you or fire you for any reason or for no reason at all. Any effort to infringe on the employers private property rights by force is doomed to failure and will cause more harm than good. If an employer abuses that power, it’s time for a private boycott. If an attempted boycott is inappropriate, it will do no harm, or perhaps even some good for the employer (Chik-fil-A).


24 posted on 07/26/2013 4:02:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: mdittmar

If a gay employee adds value to the company, it is unlikely that he will be fired for being gay.

If he is, he can rejoice that he no longer has to work for a “bigot”.

The Though Police aren’t interested in equality, they are interested in control.


25 posted on 07/26/2013 4:07:40 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: mdittmar

No! ...I can’t!


26 posted on 07/26/2013 4:08:02 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: sakic

With me its a matter of not caring if someone is gay. If sexuality isn’t part of the job description it shouldn’t even come up on the job.

On the other hand I have a militant lesbian cousin who goes out of her way to be a problem. She applies for jobs at Christian institutions and refuses to sign morality agreements only to harass and threaten. Now that she’s “married” in Minnesota, she and her other are talking about moving to Michigan and demanding their married rights.

If she couldn’t get attention for being a lesbian, she’d probably be married to a man and have kids.


27 posted on 07/26/2013 4:08:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mdittmar

They phrase it that way to sound alarming, but the fact is that it is the default for an employer to be able to fire a person for any kind of reason, because the government has little, if any, right to enforce involuntary private associations.

If you want to be alarmist about it, you could say:

“Did you know, you can be fired for having red hair?”

“Did you know, you can be fired for liking Justin Bieber?”

“Did you know, you can be fired for hanging the toilet paper in an overhand position?”

All of those things just as true, but they don’t help push someone’s political agenda to point them out.


28 posted on 07/26/2013 4:14:32 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cripplecreek
The guy I worked with wasn’t disruptive or anything, it was just like talking with one of the girls.

It was about two years ago, around noon, I felt hungry and stopped by a Togo's place. As I was walking up to the counter I was looking for my wallet, and didn't really pay attention to what is behind the counter. That changed as soon as the being on the other side asked me, in such a high pitch voice that made my ears hurt, what sandwich do I want. The being was as thin as a stick figure; it was wearing a rainbow bracelet and a few other attributes of the "alternative lifestyle." To this day I cannot tell what was that - a man, a woman, or something in between - and where the gradient was pointing to. It was a jarring experience. However I pretended that nothing happened and went on with the order. I was visiting that location many times later, and I have never seen that person there again. I am sure the "less tolerant" people contacted the manager and recalibrated him. Tolerance or not, people still have freedom of association. People may be wrong about something, but that does not matter. A given pervert may or may not be a walking Petri dish teeming with HIV, but you do not know that. Statistics tell you your chances, and they are not good. A wise person would steer around, and why would a manager keep an employee that customers refuse to work with?

29 posted on 07/26/2013 4:20:03 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Just think of how many are out there that you don’t know are gay.


30 posted on 07/26/2013 4:25:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pollster1

Bump!


31 posted on 07/26/2013 4:28:57 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

You should put a warning on something from the AFL-CIO!


32 posted on 07/26/2013 4:38:55 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: PGR88
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, my eyes!


33 posted on 07/26/2013 4:43:26 PM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: Izzy Dunne

Come to Kansas.

Here a Private employer can fire you...

*Because he is the boss and you are not.


34 posted on 07/26/2013 4:45:29 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: PGR88

Thats friggen disturbing.


35 posted on 07/26/2013 4:46:08 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Boogieman; All
“Did you know,you can be fired for not doing a good job?”

Well,union members don't;)

36 posted on 07/26/2013 4:47:13 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: bigheadfred

Please don’t confuse Right-to-Work, i.e. no forced unionization to hold a job, and At-Will Employment where both parties may conclude the employment relationship at any time, for any reason (or none), and without notice.


37 posted on 07/26/2013 5:16:34 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Discrimination is perfectly legitimate in a society which promotes freedom.

Much of the problem arises in the confusion of discrimination with prejudice. They have two very different meanings.

It is the job of Congress to discriminate between legitimate and illegitimate behavior. When they fail to discriminate, they aren’t doing their job.


38 posted on 07/26/2013 5:23:06 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: mdittmar

Did mean for being homosexual ?


39 posted on 07/26/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sigat voted then up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: sakic
I don't believe being Jewish has ever been considered a mental disorder by the psychological world, but being a homo has. Homosexuality was once considered/is still considered by many to be a mental illness, and as such, my opinion is that homos should be locked up in the loony bin, or at least segregated where they can't prey on kids.

As far as being fired is concerned, I live in a right to work state, and have myself been fired for no reason other than, "we've decided to go a different direction at your position." What a cop out, but nonetheless it's my former boss' right to fire whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

40 posted on 07/26/2013 7:39:57 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: T-Bird45

In Idaho you can be terminated from any regular job at any time for no reason. I don’t know about the union stuff.


41 posted on 07/26/2013 7:42:32 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: bigheadfred
in this right to work state you can be fired for nothing

That's right.

After this push by the aflcio and the inevitable new laws in every state making it illegal to fire gay people, all of us will just claim "fabulousness" in the event we are fired.

Job security, buddy.

42 posted on 07/26/2013 7:45:41 PM PDT by Washi
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To: mdittmar

homos are bullies, unions are bullies. it’s a marriage made in hell


43 posted on 07/26/2013 7:48:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Washi
Actually, you can be fired for being a smoker in order to save money on health insurance for the rest of the staff.

Where are the statistics on the medical costs of homosexuality and its associated lifestyle vs those for smoking?

44 posted on 07/26/2013 7:51:54 PM PDT by Washi
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To: bigheadfred

Idaho is RTW so you cannot be forced into a union in order to hold a job. That has nothing to do with At-Will Employment which is what you describe and I pointed out in my previous post as what you were confusing. The two things are separate concepts.


45 posted on 07/27/2013 1:35:42 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: bigheadfred

“in this right to work state you can be fired for nothing”

As things should be. No one works for me unless I want him to. If one fired is such a good prospect for employment, he is then liberated to find a better employer, or start his own business. Kinda like a free country.


46 posted on 07/27/2013 6:23:07 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: wku man

Blacks were once considered mentally handicapped and were not employed at least partially because of that. What was once thought as general knowledge does not always remain that way.

Being Jewish may not have been considered a mental disorder, but it was used as a way of restricting unemployment,nevertheless.

No one ever fires anyone because they have decided to go in a different direction. The translation is that they don’t want to say why.


47 posted on 07/27/2013 7:29:30 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Right. So it is completely understandable why people want to get on the public dole. They are better off.


48 posted on 07/27/2013 10:36:24 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: sakic
"No one ever fires anyone because they have decided to go in a different direction. The translation is that they don’t want to say why."

Gee, ya think? My point is, regardless of their reason, business owners have the right to hire or fire whomever the he** they want for whatever reason they may have at the moment. That means if if someone is fired for being a homo, black, Jewish, non-English speaking, or (as I suspect was the case with me) because they cost too much, that is the right of the employer. That's the way it should be.

And yes, homosexuality is a mental disorder...a sick, perverted, disgusting, disease-spreading and IMMORAL mental disorder. They should be banished to homo colonies, or at least forbidden to go near children.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 07/27/2013 5:23:16 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man

bump


50 posted on 07/27/2013 5:25:25 PM PDT by GeronL
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