Skip to comments.Police Shoot Dead Grandfather, 72, While Searching the Wrong Home for Burglar
Posted on 07/26/2013 9:30:35 PM PDT by redreno
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You know, isn't that also at the heart of the Zimmerman matter?
Didn't George Zimmerman say he was getting out of his car to get a CORRECT address to give to the police, when he was ambushed by Trayvon Martin?
There are (I think) ways to tune the sensors so they won’t pick up smaller animals, but will still grab larger beings even if they’re moving slow. As to recording, if you have broadband, I suggest setting up a link such that if the cameras go on, the recording server starts a real-time mirror session with someplace off-property. That way you have a “safe” copy of the video recording even if the cops grab the onsite drive. Once the off-site recording stops, it should be easy to have a script launch that makes duplicates of the duplicate. Keep the session on the remote drive, but also burn at least 2-3 copies of it to DVD, and arrange to have at least one mailed to an attorney you have on retainer.
It might seem over-complicated, and it shouldn’t have to be on the citizen to make such extreme preparations, but in the face of the increasingly-unaccountable actions of law enforcement at all levels it is almost a necessity these days.
Sounds like a good idea for anyone, in these days of no-knock raids on wrong addresses. You can bet they would seize and destroy the security hard drive. I can access the drive over the internet, but not after the fact if it's taken. However, I think I can mirror it to my laptop, and the laptop is constantly backed up every hour to a network drive. This backup destination can be pointed to an offsite location. Thanks for the tip.
Isn't living in Obunga/Holder's new police state so nice that you need to contemplate these things as part of daily life?
I am armed when I do it, looks like a thug/thief is not my only concern in the times we live in.
And as another poster said, this didn't happen a decade ago.
cops need to be fired, lose pensions and go to jail for this increasingly bullsh1t behavior.
itisgetting so thatyouhad better be ready to defendyourself from any cop approaching you.
they would crucify a ccw person who did the same thing.
C’mon. Where are they? Where’s the holster-sniffers to explain this away, how the cops were “just doing their jobs” and “it was most important for these two public employees to go home at the end of their shift?”
OMG!!! The Police shot an elderly WALKER!!!
None, why do you ask? It’s just that this whole continuing thread of cops going to the wrong house is mystifying to me.
We have so many stories of gung-ho LEOs barging into houses and ruining lives...at the wrong address.
For so much firepower to get aimed in the wrong direction is comically depressing.
While there are many jokes to be made of the headline.....One day that will be me.
Cops just running out depending on Tom-Tom or Garmin type systems will always make this mistake.
I will shoot the first bastard that rushes my homestead, badge or no, I am innocent.
Obviously, the man should have had a dog. Then the Barney Fife guys would have shot the dog and alerted the homeowner to their presence.
I cannot even identify with 15 years ago. This Nation is on a fast track to utter mayhem. This tribal crap is going to ruin America.
>> We have so many stories of gung-ho LEOs
Paramilitary and SWAT.
Policy, bureaucracy, and unions have decimated preparedness and accountability.
These cops said he pointed the gun at them. They always say that! They will probably be promoted now. /s
My first thought.
Shooting an old man's corpse for target practice?
But Chief, he looked exactly like those targets we used. We were just falling back on our training.
Also how come you never here about an ambulance picking someone up at the wrong house or the fire department responding to the wrong residence. Maybe the Fire Department should be sent first so the cops will know where to stop. Look for the big red truck.
Thank God he was already dead.
Auto continuous backup to the cloud.
As a citizen who was not speaking Spanish, or from Iran
or Mexico illegally, HE HAD NO RIGHT TO LIVE.
the real HDD should be hidden too, put a dummy one out for the thieves/cops to take
One result of ever expanding SWATification. Except that the original SWATs (the TV show had a pretty cool tune, I used to play it as a piano exercise) didn’t show up for mere run of the mill burglaries. What kind of “superheros” get odd and even house numbers confused?
Actually, both HDDs can be “real” ones. It’s just that one of them is in a hidden location.
“They should pay a price, but I highly doubt they planned to kill him before arriving.”
I’m sure they’ll be sternly chastised and banned from donut shops for a whole week!
“We would go to jail for killing the wrong guy at a crime scene. The excuse of I could not see who I was shooting probably would not go over real big.”
Silly serf. Of course you would go to prison. And Lord help you if the person you happened to shoot was a 17 y.o. black male high on cough syrup.
The criticism as to “wrong number” by so many posters isn’t always as reasonable as it sounds. Back when streets were laid out on a grid, it would have been, but that just isn’t true today. Streets wind around, and odd/even numbering, and for that matter what street you are on changes unpredictably. This neighborhood is one of that type.
However, in this case I looked the house up on Street View. The mailbox has a number, and the curb is numbered at both the sidewalk and the driveway. It’s actually an unusually well-marked nehghborhood. It shouldn’t have been terribly difficult for them to figure out which house was which.
There are no streetlights in the area, and the garage in question is entered from the back of the home. IOW, the driveway wraps around the house, so the cops were in his backyard when they shot him.
Have badge will murder.
If they practiced on a “Grandfather” target, they were thinking about it beforehand.
Any idiot can pull a trigger or say “10-4”. A policeman MUST have discipline and good sense. If you put this police department in a dark warehouse, told them there was a “perp” inside, then shouted “BOO!” they’d probably gun each other down before it was all over.
Fire their entire chain of command. That’s what they do to the military, during war, with known, armed enemy shooting at the troops day & night and one of the soldiers shoots a civilian in error.
What a tragedy!
I think the best takeaway from this is the old saw about never pointing a gun at anything you don’t intend to kill. An extension would be not to unnecessarily insert yourself into a situation where an armed confrontation might result.
IOW, even if you have a gun it’s not always a good idea to go looking for trouble. In some circumstances, such as this one, especially if you have a gun.
I find the notion that “they identified themselves as police” problematic as a justification. It’s dark, uniforms can’t be seen, and armed men are yelling at you. Possibly you don’t have your hearing aid in. In all likelihood they pointed their flashlights at him and blinded him. It is not at all unreasonable for you to react by pointing your gun at the shouters.
Unfortunately, once you do point your gun at them (if that’s what really happened) it’s entirely reasonable for the cops to shoot first.
The absolute need to shoot first in a confrontation at close range means the chance of tragedy goes WAY up when both sides are armed.
I think the cops in this case should be charged with whatever the homeowner would have been charged with had he shot one or both of them.
If grandfather was dead, why did they shoot him?
Yes. It DOES “happen all the time”.
Which brings the question:
Has the “Mission” of the Police CHANGED?
This is murder. And there will be no trial.
Horse-Crap! The police were in this man’s home illegally. They crept in, in the dark. The fact that they have badges does not give them an absolute need, or right, to shoot first.
Welcome to May 28th.
Funny how the "lighting was too poor" to find the correct address (all they had to do was shine their little flashlights on the curb to get the correct address), but good enough to ascertain that Mr. Waller was pointing a handgun at them. And, of course, pairing two rookie cops for the initial call to the burglary was sheer stupidity.
The FWPD must think that FW residents are idiots by coming up with this excuse.
Been there, done that. If the property is wooded at all your house will be blinking on and off like a marquee all night if there’s the slightest breeze. Same with any wildlife crossing the yard, and they do.
No trees or large bushes, and fence the entire property. Then it might work. Otherwise, it’s impossibly annoying, for both you and your neighbors.
The Blaze has become useless and so has Glenn Beck and his TV 'network', I'm out of there. I didn't sign up there for Religious Classes nor to hear non-stop about Jews and Israel.
Wrong address? Maybe that was intended for the thread across the way.
“Has the Mission of the Police CHANGED?”
Yes. IMHO, they no longer keep the peace but 1) politick for advancement and safe, personal cushiness, 2) dress to the nine millimeters and full auto black, 3) assume and target people and dogs as enemies 1st, and 4) forencify the after effects (if they’re smart enough).
They make me mad. I was raised to believe in them and to approach them easily. I don’t think they want anyone to talk to them anymore. Except their cronies.
“isnt always as reasonable as it sounds.”
Their jobs are to be exact. For reasons of life and death. I don’t care if streets wind or not. It’s their job - and others’ lives - for them to know.
“This happened in May.”
Probably took ‘em this long to get their lies straight.
Amen...STILL trying to get them to post the story about the Kelly Hunnewell murder that occurred in South Carolina recently...the one that left FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN orphaned. She was shot down by three hoodie-wearing Trayvons in their late teens...nothing but 'crickets' from the Blaze.
A fund has been set up for the children:
Kelly Hunnewell Survivor Trust
c/o First Citizens Bank
P. O. Box 520
Hull, Georgia. 30646
Who were his instructors in college? His editor probably as ignorant as he is.