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Pentagon considering affirmative action in combat
The Daily Caller ^ | July 26, 2013 | Elizabeth Dorton

Posted on 07/26/2013 9:39:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Senior military personnel are considering now giving women different military training than men, The Washington Times reports.

The effort was proposed by Massachusetts Democrat Rep. Niki Tsongas at a recent House Armed Services Committee hearing because so far, she says training systems do not “maximize the success of women.”

Though the armed services have promised that combat standards will be the same regardless of gender, senior officers are considering initially separate training systems.

Army Lt. Gen. Howard Bromberg, serving as deputy chief of staff for personnel, considers separate training programs to be more about considering all soldiers as individuals, citing a need to explore how the training process works.

“We’re not looking at it just for the integration of women,” Bromberg said. “We’re looking at it for the total soldier, because just as you have a 110-pound male who may lack some type of physiological capability or physical capability, he or she may both need to be trained differently. We’re trying to expand our understanding of how we train.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; army; military; nikitsongas; obama; womenincombat
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Is that how our enemies and potential enemies train?
1 posted on 07/26/2013 9:39:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
21st Century Comfort Women???
2 posted on 07/26/2013 9:41:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let them die in combat; they aren’t dying for the country we know & love.


3 posted on 07/26/2013 9:41:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Makes sense if the new military is going to be nothing more than a glorified global meals-on-wheels.
4 posted on 07/26/2013 9:42:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We all knew it would come to this.

Lower and lower the standards until the “right amount” of women can pass.

Like every police and fire department in America.

Too bad our enemies won’t care how sensitive and PC we are.


5 posted on 07/26/2013 9:42:32 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Chode

I was wondering how the Feminazis were going to get around the training rigors. Now we see. Seperate them, then elevate them. What could possibly go wrong?


6 posted on 07/26/2013 9:43:12 PM PDT by CT (Obama is the product of a shiftless press, LoFoVo, and the conquest of Soviet style public education)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Separate but equal: bad.

Separate but more equal: good.

7 posted on 07/26/2013 9:45:32 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: CT

They need to register for selective service as well. Time for them to reap it.


8 posted on 07/26/2013 9:45:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

BUMP!

I had to register at 18, so should the ladies.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 9:50:19 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: CT
100%
10 posted on 07/26/2013 9:51:26 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Army Air Corps

Myself as well. Enjoy equality ladies.


11 posted on 07/26/2013 9:51:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: kearnyirish2
Let them die in combat; they aren’t dying for the country we know & love.

Mom and I were watching the news and they were saying the Air Force will face a shortage of fighter pilots. I joked with her, "maybe I'll become one!" Despite me being 47 and terminally nearsighted, although the 1980's era kid in me would love to fly an F-15, I'd never get in but Mom said, "I'd never let you die for Obama."

I had a co-worker who wanted to join the military when he turned 18, his Vietnam Vet father said, "if you join, I'll beat you to a pulp and disown you." Sad to say we have come to that feeling like my mother and his dad. B-(
12 posted on 07/26/2013 9:53:03 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("We have met the enemy, he is us!" - Pogo Possum - 1971)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Joints Chief of Staff has devolved into just another politically correct government bureaucracy. It is staffed by adept socially climbing careerists and no real line warriors. What warrior’s council that was really concerned about the nations defense would endorse women in combat and homosexuals throughout the ranks?


13 posted on 07/26/2013 9:53:34 PM PDT by allendale
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To: EEGator
They need to register for selective service as well. Time for them to reap it.

As more of a right-leaning libertarian, I don't favor the draft or registration but all things being equal, I do see your point.
14 posted on 07/26/2013 9:54:38 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("We have met the enemy, he is us!" - Pogo Possum - 1971)
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To: EEGator

Only liberal women should be required to register. We conservative women didn’t want this.


15 posted on 07/26/2013 9:57:45 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Nowhere Man

I’m mostly the same as you politically, but I registered so now they can too.

P.S. FF VII is awesome.


16 posted on 07/26/2013 10:03:56 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: kearnyirish2

Every American that dies in combat needs to be revered and remembered for their sacrifice. If the idiots in Washington send a woman she deserves every bit of respect and thanks of the country as a male. To suggest anything else is pure bullshit..


17 posted on 07/26/2013 10:04:20 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: EEGator
I say make them adhere to the same grooming and appearance standards.

High and tight haircuts, no jewelry or makeup in uniform.

18 posted on 07/26/2013 10:05:59 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Pining_4_TX

And I didn’t want a Marxist Muslim as POTUS, but here we are.

It will probably take a couple thousand females getting blown up, beheaded, and raped on camera to fix this nonsense. It’s a terrible thought, but probably true.


19 posted on 07/26/2013 10:06:27 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When will a General or Admiral speak out and resign, as they did in the days of yore?

This has gone way beyond a few stupid decisions.... This clearly is a deliberate subverting of our fighting forces.


20 posted on 07/26/2013 10:08:45 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: EEGator

If one of those females is MY daughter I will hunt YOU down...

Just sayin’...


21 posted on 07/26/2013 10:09:03 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

At least we had some hotties in the USAF. Now it’ll be like Ithaca or Berkeley women.


22 posted on 07/26/2013 10:09:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Black Agnes

Are you saying me personally, or the enemy soldiers responsible?


23 posted on 07/26/2013 10:10:20 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They should go with Limbaugh’s All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion.


24 posted on 07/26/2013 10:11:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: EEGator

But seriously. This is population control. Thinly disguised.

Take women at their peak fertile years. Draft them. Mandate birth control shots (that will be in there somewhere), give them poor and substandard training and qualifications and then let them get killed or maimed or so psychologically disturbed they never recover.

It’s a win win.

Killing the women is the first thing those interested in genocide or eugenics do. The women have the babies.


25 posted on 07/26/2013 10:11:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even with all the BS the Inner Party liked to fling (in Orwell’s ‘1984’) even O’Brien admits that they cut the chit when it comes to war-readiness.

But our Big Bro’ has apparently made it doctrine that military training and combat standards will be the same for men and women recruits.
At the same time, they will be different. Doublethink. No, this won’t end well for any troops depending on others in their squad; but in the spirit of doublethink, it will work out fine for those who may not be dependable themselves.


26 posted on 07/26/2013 10:12:06 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: EEGator

Anyone who thinks drafting MY daughter to get her blown up or raped is my enemy.

‘.’


27 posted on 07/26/2013 10:12:15 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

The Soviets once thought doing this was a good idea....they very quickly found out it wasn’t.


28 posted on 07/26/2013 10:13:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Chode

21st Century Comfort Women???


For sure. That’s what they’ll end up as.


29 posted on 07/26/2013 10:14:23 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Black Agnes

Well I think the blame would fall on those who commit those acts, and those who set our policy. My pointing out what would happen doesn’t make me responsible one bit.


30 posted on 07/26/2013 10:14:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Worked just fine for another communist military: AFAIK, Nazy haven't even recognized allied female soldiers as any legitimate combatants. Under their instructions women in uniform had to be shot on spot as insurgents.
31 posted on 07/26/2013 10:14:54 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: dfwgator

The soviets weren’t obsessed with population control.

Our ‘leaders’ are.

At the very least the years our women would be required to serve would be childfree. Fewer opportunities for them to have babies overall. And sometimes those birth control shots are permanent. Depo is notorious in this regard.


32 posted on 07/26/2013 10:19:23 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Nowhere Man

The Draft will probably be back in a few years. I’ll give aid and comfort to any Draft Dodgers that I can.

Our military has turned into a politically correct tool to protect special interests who are pushing the New World Order.


33 posted on 07/26/2013 10:22:10 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: EEGator

Just remember with all the ‘liberal women will get what they deserve’ chortling you and others are doing on this thread there will be millions of girls who have NOT been raised by feminists and who are NOT feminists who will get killed, raped and maimed as well.

Just because YOU were mistreated and drafted (I am NOT a supporter of the draft for anyone of any chromosomal makeup) doesn’t mean it’s a great idea to mistreat someone else. Especially girls who have been raised to be homemakers and helpmeets for their husbands.


34 posted on 07/26/2013 10:22:40 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Overwhelmingly women in the Army want no part of the Combat Arms. They pretty much look upon the Army as a sort of social welfare program with great benefits, good childcare and opportunities to travel. Aside from some rather eccentric females the enlisted ranks want no part of the combat forces. This program is simply to enable some ambitious female officers who are USMA or Texas A & M or VPI grads who know that only officers from the combat arms get the really powerful staff and command billets. It is not that these females want a career in the Infantry, Armor or Artillery. They want the combat arms career designation and get their tickets punched by pulling relatively short tours with tactical units and spend most of their career as staff officers. Imagine a female version of the current CJCS or Colin Powell and you have the perfect idea of what these women want to be. They will burden the armed services with really awful careerist opportunists and be untouchables by virtue of their gender and 'combat arms' status. The same dynamic is going to work with 'openly gay' officers. Whether recognized 'officially' as a protected class they will be and their will be unofficial but very powerful pressure for quotas for the gay blades. Watch for demands from politicians for promoting and recognizing 'openly gay officers'. The US Army is headed down the road towards real moral corruption and being a traditional soldier or officer is going to become very very difficult. But that is a big reason for these changes. This is what 'transformative strategies' are all about.
35 posted on 07/26/2013 10:22:49 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why have the strongest military when we can have the most politically correct one?

This has always been the liberals biggest failing: They think they know everything, so why have a plan B ready to go in case things fall apart.

lol. Come a shooting war, watch the pregnancy rate, real or imagined, skyrocket in the military!

36 posted on 07/26/2013 10:27:54 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (A Newly Arrived Convert to the Fair Tax! Abolish the IRS! Abolish the FED!)
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To: Black Agnes

There won’t be millions of girls drafted. They don’t have to register for selective service. My point was that they don’t want equality, they want the best of everything.(special treatment) Women shouldn’t be allowed in any combat role, let alone SpecOps.

I was never mistreated, nor was I drafted. I said I registered for selective service. I was born in 1975. I voluntarily joined the USAF. I also was never in combat.


37 posted on 07/26/2013 10:30:49 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: montanajoe

that’s not what people are saying.

the point is they are going to die because they are going to get ‘women training’ and that is going to get them killed in combat, and it may mean others get killed because of that. this is not doing women any favors, or the men fighting beside them.

this is pc bullsh1t theater.


38 posted on 07/26/2013 10:32:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: EEGator

Oh I agree with the non combat/spec ops stuff. 100%.

That’s crazy talk. Only way they make that is by scrapping the qualifications. Estrogen doesn’t build muscles or or dense bones like testosterone does.


39 posted on 07/26/2013 10:34:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

show me exactly where he said he wanted to draft your daughter and blow her up.

i think your comprehension is a little off tonight. his point was that it will probably take a lot of female casualites for the pc crap to be dropped and get women out of direct combat roles.

are you always taking every discusson as a personal attack? are you just on these threads to pick fights and be argumentative? nobody made it personal but you.


40 posted on 07/26/2013 10:36:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Black Agnes

Agreed. There is a reason why men have been soldiers forever and women haven’t.


41 posted on 07/26/2013 10:36:29 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Black Agnes

all wars are population control. and generally they are getting rid of the more patriotic among the population.

look at all the vaccines they pump into them as well. we’ve lost a ton of pilots from bad batches of anthrax vaccines, the synthetic squalene and other crap in there has destroyed their vision and nerve reflexes. depleted uranium dust and exposure has been a nightmare for them as well.


42 posted on 07/26/2013 10:39:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: EEGator
"I’m mostly the same as you politically, but I registered so now they can too.

It will probably take a couple thousand females getting blown up, beheaded, and raped on camera to fix this nonsense.

Supports the draft, supports women getting blown up. I have daughters who would be of age for this crazy. How else to take it?

Do you think women in combat is a great idea?

I haven't been on 'these threads' what is it to you if I reply to another poster?

43 posted on 07/26/2013 10:40:17 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Huh?


44 posted on 07/26/2013 10:42:18 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

nobody seems to feel awful a guy dies in combat. that’s a lot of futures gone there, too. maybe it’s no big deal because it’s been like this forever and guys are just ‘supposed to’. the guy that gets killed and gets his life cut short, and no family sure wishes people felt as bad as if a woman died in combat.


45 posted on 07/26/2013 10:44:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Men are numerically more expendable than women. It’s one reason Y swimmers are faster. And the male/female birth ratio is greater than 1. Russia lost HALF her men of reproductive age in the great war. Her population growth barely hit a blip in the years after.

The birth rate for a population of 10 men and 100 healthy fertile women is theoretically about 100 babies/year. In a population of 10 women and 100 men it’s roughly 10 babies/year (plus a whole lotta fights!).

Women have the babies. And only women who are healthy and between the years of roughly 14 and 40. Eliminate those citizens or their potential childbearing years via death or simple conscription and your fertility level will plummet.

And we’re just talking simple exclusion and not anything else they might be exposed to via our glorious leaders agendas or corrupt deals with defense or pharma suppliers.


46 posted on 07/26/2013 10:45:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Pentagon considering affirmative action in combat”

Then the Pentagon is a fool.

The administration is replete with enemies of America, jostling to piss off someone who will eventually revolt against the machine and bring about martial law.

Women are blessings. Men are blessings. Just not blessings in the same way. Maybe that’s why God made them different.


47 posted on 07/26/2013 10:46:56 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: EEGator

That’s the way it read.

I’ve been disappointed at the number of conservatives who were themselves drafted, hate ‘those bulldyke femists’, and hope they’re drafted and blown up. Just because they were drafted.

I’m against conscription of anyone. Doing it to the liberal women because it was done to ‘you’ (the hypothetical ‘you’) doesn’t make it right.


48 posted on 07/26/2013 10:47:54 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: laplata
The Draft will probably be back in a few years. I’ll give aid and comfort to any Draft Dodgers that I can.

My father said the same thing to my nephew (my step-sister's kid) if he was ever drafted, he would do his best to tell him to drive to Canada and get him started there. I do concur as the way things are now.

Our military has turned into a politically correct tool to protect special interests who are pushing the New World Order.

I still salute and give thanks to the current people in there now but it hurts me that they've joined for the right reasons but being used for the wrong things as of now.
49 posted on 07/26/2013 10:51:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("We have met the enemy, he is us!" - Pogo Possum - 1971)
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To: Black Agnes

well that’s very utilitarian of you. glad you aren’ t the God of this universe. yet when you irrationally infer from another poster, that one of your daughters might get blownup, and we have 3 billion other women on the planet, will you take comfort in the fact other women will have the kids she didn’t, or will you instead take it personal and lash out at someone not even talking about your daughter in thefirst place?

oh, you already DID answer my question.


50 posted on 07/26/2013 10:51:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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