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Green bullets?
American Thinker ^ | July 26, 2013 | Jim Yardley

Posted on 07/26/2013 10:29:53 PM PDT by neverdem

The Daily Caller website just published a short article by Michael Bastasch titled "Getting the lead out, literally: US Army plans switch to 'green' bullets".

Green bullets? It appears that the Obama administration is once more pandering to rabid environmentalists by requiring the Army to re-engineer the bullets our men and women in the field use in combat to be more "environmentally friendly". To accomplish this, the military is replacing the lead in bullets with copper. Because the Army doesn't believe in half measures, the Program Executive Officer, Col. Phil Clark has said that they have already eliminated 1,994 metric tons of lead from the military's 5.56mm rounds, and as this program expands to the 7.62mm round, he reports that the total lead reduction in our small arms munitions 3,683 metric tons between 2013 and 2018. A metric ton is 1,000kg, or about 2,200 pounds, so 3,683 metric tons is approximately 8.1 million pounds of lead is the amount the Army will remove from its ammunition over the next five years.

Naturally, the idea of reducing all that lead, which is of course a toxic substance, from the environment is an admirable goal. Almost any time we, as a society can reduce the unnecessary dispersion of toxins, we should consider it a win.

However, the current spot price of lead is $0.94 per pound. The current spot price of copper, on the other hand, is $3.21 per pound. That is a difference of $2.27, or to look at it another way, copper is 341% more costly than lead.

When that cost differential is applied to the additional 3,683 metric tons of copper that must be acquired to replace the lead component of these small arms rounds, the total is $18,431,000.

Nearly twenty million dollars, not to improve the effectiveness of...

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Getting the lead out, literally: US Army plans switch to ‘green’ bullets

More BS, inorganic, elemental lead has minimal toxicity. This isn't just for the econazis. Gun grabbers like the ammo that costs more.

1 posted on 07/26/2013 10:29:53 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Another stupid Obama idea.


2 posted on 07/26/2013 10:35:01 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: neverdem

Green morons.


3 posted on 07/26/2013 10:37:43 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: neverdem
They already bought a billion bullets, now change?
4 posted on 07/26/2013 10:40:03 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Nachum

More idiocy...


5 posted on 07/26/2013 10:41:00 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: blam

Copper may be going up...


6 posted on 07/26/2013 10:41:43 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Would the government like me to turn in my lead?


7 posted on 07/26/2013 10:44:13 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: neverdem

I’ve handled enough lead in my day to be six feet under already.

Obama’s an expert. I’m trying to figure out what he was a pert in.


8 posted on 07/26/2013 10:45:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: neverdem

OK, how about copper jacketed carbon steel projectiles instead? That’s very ecologically friendly.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 10:51:38 PM PDT by RC one
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To: neverdem
"That is a difference of $2.27, or to look at it another way, copper is 341% more costly than lead."

Wrong Jim. Copper @ 3.21/lb is 241% more costly than lead at 0.94/lb. OTOH, the price of copper is 341% of the price of lead.

/arithmetic police
10 posted on 07/26/2013 10:54:25 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: neverdem

Lead is significantly denser than copper (11.30 g/cc vs. 8.93 g/cc). For Jim’s benefit; that means that lead is 26.54 percent denser than copper. Copper bullets will therefore have considerably different ballistic qualities than lead bullets. That’s got to matter on the front line.

At a specific gravity of 10.49, the density of silver is closer to that of lead. It would also be effective against vampires and werewolves. OTOH, it is considerably more expensive than either lead or copper — not that that seems to matter to anyone.


11 posted on 07/26/2013 11:05:26 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: neverdem
There is more to this than the average citizen would understand. My US Ball FMJ.30-06 tips are encased in steel, with copper coating (for lubricity in the bore) and lead in the shell. If the bullet is not fragmented, the copper and steel may well slow down the leaching of the lead. But lead oxide/carbonate/sulfate is very insoluble, and a film of this will help keep the lead stable.

On the other hand, copper, being less dense than lead (8.93 gm/cc vs. 11.3) so, at the same velocity pure copper will have only 80% of the momentum and muzzle energy that pure lead has. In decomposing, many copper compounds are quite toxic.

These are important but undiscussed factors in most news articles, like this one.

For more bang for the buck, why not use spent uranium and tungsten, as we do in tank rounds? At the same velocity they would have about 70% greater impact energy, and could burn through hard surfaces like armor steel in a trice. They are not easily soluble and are of much less lethal toxicity. One tank round would make an awful lot of 5.56mm bullets. (/sarc)

12 posted on 07/26/2013 11:44:58 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: neverdem
Copper and its compounds are just as toxic as lead in the environment, in fact even more so because it's higher reactivity as compared to lead. But the point of the matter isn't the toxicity of the materials used to manufacture ammo, it's because the powers to be want to drive the cost of ammo up, in effect putting it out of reach of the average citizen.

Of course that decree will be an epic fail because lead is easily available from millions of car batteries, and enterprising hand loaders will find a way around material shortages.

13 posted on 07/27/2013 12:25:53 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: neverdem

Of course, because lead is so bad for the “environment” of the battlefield. Never mind about the dead bodies. My God, these people are sick. I mean, the irony. Just black hearted sick.


14 posted on 07/27/2013 1:00:05 AM PDT by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines - Clinging to my Bible and my guns for dear life.)
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Copper with its reduction in mass per caliber and lousy ballistic coefficient is gonna’ suck at longer ranges.


15 posted on 07/27/2013 2:03:34 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for wood chipper...........ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS! It's the Law.)
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To: neverdem

I accidentally ran a couple bullets through the washing machine last week. They came out a pretty iridescent green.


16 posted on 07/27/2013 2:14:11 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: neverdem

“Good” for the environment, and it will kill American soldiers - a double win by Obama standards.


17 posted on 07/27/2013 2:51:08 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: factoryrat

At high velocity copper is just as toxic as lead is when it impacts its intended target.


18 posted on 07/27/2013 3:04:34 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: neverdem

Shooting blanks would be much more friendly.


19 posted on 07/27/2013 3:10:59 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: neverdem

Green bullets?? I would be excited by more effective bullets. For the time being however it’s probably a good idea though. There is probably a better than average chance that this new ammo could be used against the civilian population. I just hope they use the old ammo that was hoarded this last year for practice.


20 posted on 07/27/2013 4:49:41 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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