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Egypt has been warned of the violence to come by General Sisi himself
UK Guardian - Editorial ^ | July 27, 2013 | Gehad el-Haddad

Posted on 07/27/2013 8:59:36 AM PDT by don-o

The upshot of all of this is that when Sisi calls on all Egyptians to rally "in every public square", and when the general characterises these forthcoming rallies as a "mandate" to fight "violence and terrorism" this has to be seen as paving the way for more military action.

The end game is not very difficult to see. Sisi has already given the world a taste of what he is willing to do when officers opened fire on peaceful protesters during morning prayers. There were at least 50 dead on the spot, possibly as many as a 100 in total.

The violence has continued sporadically since then. And while most news outlets conservatively label the violence as "clashes" between anti-Morsi and pro-Morsi factions, the inescapable facts are that all the deaths have been among those protesting the coup and calling for the return of Egypt's hijacked democracy and that many of these deaths have come at the hands of non-uniformed state agents.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdelfattahalsisi; agitprop; bhomiddleeast; egypt; muslimworld; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; randsconcerntrolls; sisi; stfu; unitedkingdom; waronterror
The writer expresses dismay to the prospects of a "repressive" regime in Egypt. For me, that is the only type of regime that Western self interest can tolerate. "Democracy" cannot be exported. It must flow from an existing seed bed.

The Egyptians that supported Morsi (in what was deemed a fair election) will not vanish. Of course, that whole premise is flawed; democracy without checks and balances (the republican ideal) eventually tramples the rights of the individual who finds himself in the minority.

Few Americans even understand this. It's incomprehensible to the Muslim mindset of absolute submission.

Do I approve of the repression and brutality to come in Egypt? No. But, I cannot see, for the life of me, a better option in relation to American self interest.

1 posted on 07/27/2013 8:59:36 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
..."mandate" to fight "violence and terrorism" this has to be seen as paving the way for more military action.

It does? Calls to stand up to and fight 'violence and terrorism' paves the way for military action? What are people supposed to do? Just left terror rule over them? Let the terrorists win?

Does not the violence and terrorism perpetrated by the terrorists 'pave the way' for military action? Why not call for an end to the 'violence and terrorism'? Oh yeah, that never works. Only violence works on terrorists.

Well, so be it!

2 posted on 07/27/2013 9:05:28 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: don-o
Author is Gehad el-Haddad. Golly, the puff piece at http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/renaissance-man-gehad-el-haddad-works-islamist-project-s-pragmatist says

Three weeks ago, Gehad El Haddad divided his time between volunteering for the Muslim Brotherhood and heading the Cairo office of the Clinton Climate Initiative, a nongovernmental organization set up by the former American president.

Mixing practical goals with Islamic values has defined the 30-year-old’s life to date. Once a creative entrepreneur, he is now putting all his efforts into the Brotherhood’s Renaissance Project.

Renaissance is far more than the electoral program of President Mohamed Morsy or the Brotherhood’s political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party. It is a 25-year project to reform state, business and civil society, rooted in the Brotherhood’s Islamic values but conditioned by the experiences of the project’s founders in the modern economy.

I wonder if the terrorist punk would like cheese with his whine.

3 posted on 07/27/2013 9:11:16 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: jeffc
Only violence works on terrorists.

Agreed. But, I sense some irrational exuberance on this board over the events in Egypt. What's coming is not going to be pretty or glorious.

The Islamist tide has risen higher than it ever has. The feckless policy of every American President since Reagan has enabled this.

Perhaps lessons have been learned. I wish I could be hopeful.

4 posted on 07/27/2013 9:16:45 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Good afternoon.

This prediction of violence and a "civil" war was easy. I predicted this more than a month ago on FR. Then again, I predict many things on FR before they happen. So what? They happen anyway, and it's really not a prediction. Why? Because it's what they do. Just like a Terminator.

It is so easy.

I really think that when Jesus returns, the news will say, "we didn't see that coming."

I live in a land of make believe...

5.56mm

5 posted on 07/27/2013 9:19:04 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: RightGeek

I did not post the piece because I agreed with it. I posted to bring a sense of reality of what lies ahead. These people are not going to fold their tents and quietly shuffle off.


6 posted on 07/27/2013 9:19:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Like. Agree.


7 posted on 07/27/2013 9:24:11 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: don-o

Admittedly I’m no expert on Egypt but it seems conditions have deteriorated since the Obama adminstration collaborated in the overthrow of Mubarak.

Mubarak knew full well what the MB was capable of- now anyone can see it (unless you’re the guardian or some at bbc). I don’t know if there’s a pro EGYPT leader lurking anywhere- like a banner I read- Not Christian, Not Muslim, EGYPTIAN..


8 posted on 07/27/2013 9:24:43 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

9 posted on 07/27/2013 9:25:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Bingo!


10 posted on 07/27/2013 9:27:47 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: don-o
But, I cannot see, for the life of me, a better option in relation to American self interest.

Which makes you more qualified to run American foreign policy than either the President or the Secretary of State...

11 posted on 07/27/2013 9:32:07 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARAD in the past.E)
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To: jeffc

They fail to mention, in the article, that 4-6 MBS came out with machine guns blasting...and no wonder the military fought back....this time with real bullits.

I think it’s a mistake to assume the press knows what’s going on....I overheard press people last night saying they had to get to Rabaa where the blood was flowing because that’s what the people want to hear about.

The bottom line is you have hired thugs stirring up and shooting people and the clerics refusing to let the people go home who want to....the Brotherhood leadership is demanding they stay at least until Sunday...the last they openly stated.

Regardless....we know the Brotherhood is a violent organization that will not yield easily nor walk away until there is blood...even when it means they shoot their own..and they do. Rabaa is their “stand off” area....


12 posted on 07/27/2013 9:40:20 AM PDT by caww
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To: don-o

There will always be oppression in Egypt because muslims are animals and they’re 90% of the population.

Democracy in the muslim world is a game of king of the mountain and winner gets to conduct the slaughter.


13 posted on 07/27/2013 9:41:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: don-o

This ‘writer’ is lying through his teeth. Every independent report I am seeing belies this account. Think basij in Iran. Hired guns (hamas) from outside and poor young people from the countryside paid to do the jobs normal Egyptians won’t so.


14 posted on 07/27/2013 9:57:26 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: don-o; All

This is from the Guardian, from the far left. The far left is losing in Egypt, which is why they oppose this regime.

I never expect “unbiased” reporting from the Guardian. It is hard to go wrong if you oppose whatever the Guardian is for.


15 posted on 07/27/2013 10:17:01 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: caww; don-o
We Americans are not getting the real story of what is happening in Egypt (or anywhere else, even here in the states, for that matter) because of the lamestream press. They need to protect their selected boy-king wannabe and so they filter all the news and spin it to make King Zero look good (or at least they try!).

Then, of course, there's the matter of the fact that most 'journalists' have no clue as to how to report what is happening. They write reports with the thought in the back of their minds (what little they have) of a Pulitzer Prize. Spun, as always, to the liberal view.

Bias? They see none. They are the bias!

16 posted on 07/27/2013 10:19:02 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: caww

“I think it’s a mistake to assume the press knows what’s going on...”.

I think it’s a mistake to assume the press REPORTS what’s really going on. That agenda thing, you know.


17 posted on 07/27/2013 10:41:25 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: marktwain

Exactly


18 posted on 07/27/2013 10:42:34 AM PDT by Errant
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To: caww

Up until these events, the military was still above it all. The MB messed up by pushing this IMO. Now, the very survival of General Sisi and his senior officers is at stake.

Poor tactical decision by the MB to create bloodshed, but they have a history of poor tactical decisions so I am not surprised. Perfect example of why they can’t run the country. Those who specialize in agitation always make the worst rulers (see our own regime).


19 posted on 07/27/2013 11:29:50 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: RightGeek; All

This is a propaganda piece written by a liar. For instance, the author posted a photo of a dead woman and children claiming it was from Egypt, killed by the security forces. The photo was from Syria.

To get actual info, the Live Egypt thread has comments from people constantly watchin all the news, including Egyptian media. The MSM in the US and the UK is siding with the Mozlem Brotherhood lies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3039526/posts?page=1554


20 posted on 07/27/2013 11:50:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dfwgator

I am surprised the army hasn’t reinstated him yet honestly


21 posted on 07/27/2013 12:49:57 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks don-o. Shilling in the Guardian, Gehad el-Haddad propagandizes:
Sisi has already given the world a taste of what he is willing to do when officers opened fire on peaceful protesters during morning prayers. There were at least 50 dead on the spot, possibly as many as a 100 in total... the inescapable facts are that all the deaths have been among those protesting the coup and calling for the return of Egypt's hijacked democracy and that many of these deaths have come at the hands of non-uniformed state agents.

22 posted on 07/27/2013 2:58:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: volunbeer
Your mistaken about the MB this time around...before it was the leadership of the Military before SISI that the people hated.

Further it is not the Military creating this blood shed...Rabaa is the MB foothold and their protesters were set up by the MB leadership, particularly one specific man...”Safwat Higazi”...

while the protesters were facing the police the rear demonstrators were being picked off by the MBS in order to make it appear there was a massacre by the military...the protesters were trapped between the two creating confusion...guns came out exactly as this creep anticipated...meanwhile he escapes as before....

Higazi is one very dangerous evil man who was also banned from the UK...and was the one who Launched Morsi’s campaign with the idea Egypt is vital for the Caliphate plans he is heavily involved with...further his assets were just ceased so he's on a rampage now to retain the power he once had.

23 posted on 07/27/2013 11:02:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: M Kehoe

“This prediction of violence and a “civil” war was easy. I predicted this more than a month ago on FR.”

Big deal. I wrote my prediction on the back of an envelope years ago, opened it, found $5.00 and bought a cup of coffee.

Predictions are like but-holes, everyone has one (except for those poor 3rd world babies born without one) and it’s crass to point yours out to others.


24 posted on 07/28/2013 9:10:32 AM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: caww

I am no MB fan. I would point out that the Egyptian Army does not appear to be MB fans either and Sisi (and his senior staff) have likely bet their lives on preventing the MB from taking power.

The MB are agitators - not managers. You and I both know it takes managers to run a country effectively. Our current agitator in chief proves this every week.

The MB has a history of sacrificing it’s little people for the cause so you are probably right. I saw the one MB guy dressed as a cop and I suspect that was not the only one.


25 posted on 07/28/2013 10:09:18 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Owl558
Predictions are like but-holes, everyone has one (except for those poor 3rd world babies born without one) and it’s crass to point yours out to others.

Opinions are like but-holes too.

5.56mm

26 posted on 07/28/2013 10:44:53 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
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27 posted on 04/25/2014 5:38:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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