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Rep. Peter King: Libertarians in GOP Risk Destroying Party (and RINOs like King donít?)
Newsmax ^ | Sunday, 28 Jul 2013 02:04 PM | Greg Richter

Posted on 07/28/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai

If Republicans don’t quash the libertarian streak shown recently by some of their members they risk following the destructive lead of Democrats in the 1960s, says GOP Rep. Peter King of New York.

“When you have Rand Paul actually comparing [NSA leaker Edward] Snowden to Martin Luther King or Henry David Thoreau, this is madness,” King said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union. “This is the anti-war left-wing Democrats of the 1960s that nominated George McGovern and destroyed their party for almost 20 years. I don’t want that happening to our party.” …

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Did he get these new talking points from Gerry Adams, I wonder?
1 posted on 07/28/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t like libertopians or liberal RINO’s. Imagine my predicament.


2 posted on 07/28/2013 1:01:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai

Rinos like King need no help destroying the GOP. They are doing the job all by themselves.


3 posted on 07/28/2013 1:04:05 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Olog-hai

Everyone needs to do their research about Ronald Reagan and libertarian beliefs. He had them. ‘Little l’ libertarian are the core of our party. Rand Paul is a lot closer to Reagan than most of the party core today. His dad is off the reservation on a number of things foreign policy related, but Rand differs from his dad. The war of the RINOs has moved from attacking social conservatives to now attacking conservatives who don’t believe in an all-powerful police state. In that battle, I will stand with freedom and privacy 100% of the time.


4 posted on 07/28/2013 1:06:45 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Olog-hai

I have noticed that both of the critics of the “libertarian” type of Republicans are both East Coast “moderates”. I suppose it doesn’t occur to them that the Libertarian streak types plays better in the rest of the country than the Country Club East Coast Elitist types.


5 posted on 07/28/2013 1:07:55 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Olog-hai

Bubble boy was the first congressman to start screeching for laws protecting congressman from their constituents after the Giffords shooting.

Its all I’ll ever need to know about him.


6 posted on 07/28/2013 1:08:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

So exactly how do you plan on quashing it, Pete?


7 posted on 07/28/2013 1:09:01 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry Peter but the GOP amnesty bill coming in October is what will destroy the Republican Party. You buffoons are about to flood the country with “11 million” illegal “valedictorians” who are all going to vote DemocRAT. Think about it.


8 posted on 07/28/2013 1:10:02 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's make it our turn in 2014. Vote early and VOTE OFTEN.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

It has nothing to do with libertarianism.

I’m no libertarian and I think protecting the constitution comes before my own personal safety. I also think the GOP would do themselves an enormous favor if they stopped being the Any war, Anywhere, Anytime for Any reason party.


9 posted on 07/28/2013 1:11:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Here we go again. The eastern liberal establishment rears its ugly head. Rockefeller Republicans blah blah blah. First Christie and now King. I’m going to puke. First all over Christie. New Jersey is still a looser state. And when Snowden does his data dump King is going look like the blowhard he is.


10 posted on 07/28/2013 1:14:34 PM PDT by magua
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To: cripplecreek

Every time I see a sensible post I look below and see it’s from you. Stop typing what I think! ;-)


11 posted on 07/28/2013 1:16:34 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: ilgipper

You claiming that Reagan had the same anti-Israel bent as Ron Paul?


12 posted on 07/28/2013 1:17:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
This is the anti-war left-wing Democrats of the 1960s that nominated George McGovern and destroyed their party for almost 20 years. I don’t want that happening to our party.

King honestly thinks there's a valid comparison based on similarity to be made, Hippies to Tea Party members?  Man, what has happened to this guy?

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13 posted on 07/28/2013 1:19:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hey Peter, it didn’t quite work in Boston now, did it?


14 posted on 07/28/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: magua

Snowden is just a distraction. King is an Establishment RINO. It’s OK to mention the Constitution to get re-elected but one should forget that old pile of paper when marching lock step with the Lib’s on Amnesty, raising the debt ceiling, not defunding 0bamacare etc.


15 posted on 07/28/2013 1:25:19 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Olog-hai

What Party is King talking about?Is he taking about the party that is constantly surrendering to our politjcal opponents.Is he talking about the party that appears to be afraid to take the most incompetent President in U.S.History to the woodshed and prosecute him and his administration for their misdeeds?

The GOP as we know it is dead and unless the big shots in the party wake up its going to stay that way.


16 posted on 07/28/2013 1:26:20 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

They are doing the job all by themselves.

The party “elite” are ignoring the membership.
This is similar to the democrats only their
membership is calling for communism NOW instead
of constitutional government.

It may be time to talk about a third party if
that convinces the gope that we are serious.
They can either respond or we will leave them
to the dust of history.


17 posted on 07/28/2013 1:27:20 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Olog-hai; GeronL

There are some libertarian ideas that I appreciate and some that I reject.

The libertarian insistence on declarations of war, on warrants for searches and seizures, on the right of the people to petition and assembly, the right to keep and bear arms, these are not really libertarian arguments. These are the warp and woof of the bill of rights in our own Constitution.

So, I tend to support Rand Paul on these subjects.

The government shouldn’t be engaging in wars not authorized by congress, it shouldn’t be snooping on its own citizens, and forcing its decisions about everyday life choices down people’s throats.


18 posted on 07/28/2013 1:31:53 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Olog-hai

Was the Democrat party nearly destroyed by the Libertarians back in the 1960’s?

I missed that memo. Libertarians do not destroy political parties, they act as something of a conscience, a trait that has largely atrophied in a wide swath of the voting public, and is reflected in the “low-information” voter phenomenon.

America definitely needs a better class of voters, unafraid to spurn both major parties if necessary to assert their personal beliefs. There is little hope that the Democrats would ever respond to such pressure, but the Republican party is still somewhat amenable to such reasoning.

Maybe not for long, though. Whigs still abound at high levels.


19 posted on 07/28/2013 1:35:09 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: Olog-hai

Libertarianism only exists because they can’t see any difference between the RNC and DNC.


20 posted on 07/28/2013 1:38:09 PM PDT by WeatherGuy
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To: Olog-hai
“This is the anti-war left-wing Democrats of the 1960s that nominated George McGovern and destroyed their party for almost 20 years. I don’t want that happening to our party.”

We have people on our side who are just historically illiterate. The anti-war left took over the country during the 1970s. The marched thru almost all of our institutions. The media, the colleges, the non-profits, the unions, the legal profession and the list goes on. They were all infiltrated and taken over by the left during the '70s and they have remained firmly in control of these institutions through to the present.

21 posted on 07/28/2013 1:41:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Olog-hai
Bep.. beep.. beep... SOS Distress call...

SARAH PALIN PLEASE FORM A NEW POLITICAL PARTY ASAP.

As another freeper already said: "two wings.. ONE BIRD."

It appears we have a ONE party system:. Democrat and Democrat Lite

It's definitely time for REAL CHANGE.

22 posted on 07/28/2013 1:49:22 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Olog-hai

If the RINO’s are “Big Tent” enough for the Liberals but not the Libertarians, then it must be time for the party of the gutless to join the Whigs.


23 posted on 07/28/2013 1:52:13 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: tet68

It is sad that these A-Holes didn’t learn squat from Reagan. GHWB ran on a “kinder gentler gop” platform. So BJ Clinton unseated him for reelection. So they run Dole against BJC. Gore and Kerry were just bad enough to lose to GWB. Then the POP puts up McCain and Romney against BHO. What a bunch of winners. The GOP solution is to stay the course of running Lib Lite candidates when they can against Lib Nuts and losing. Then they listen to Rove and even the Democrats for advice. I miss America.


24 posted on 07/28/2013 2:05:49 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: cripplecreek; LibertarianLiz

I’ve leaned libertarian since I was about 14, and just about everyone in my family does. They also mostly join the military, and fight where they are sent to do it. MrT5 went to Nam, young and idealistic-he knew he might not come back, and thought it was obvious that LBJ did NOT intend to win that war-he did come back, and he was certainly right.

I remember that chant “Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today”-from when I was in my teens-I think many of the chanters had the right sentiments-they were just wrong in the way they wanted to get there...

I agree 100% that our battles should be confined to REAL threats like 9-11, and defending the USA-not nation building or supporting one dictator over another in some third world hellhole-the idiot in the WH now has his own Nam on his hands because of this. It is a downright sinful waste of our blood and treasure.

The GOP establishment has the stench or corruption and needs the fresh air of Paul, Cruz, Lee, etc-if that is “destruction”, I will gladly embrace it..


25 posted on 07/28/2013 2:11:53 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Olog-hai

The only good things about Libertarians is when you get rid of them.


26 posted on 07/28/2013 2:16:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Olog-hai

What is madness is having a federal government running trillion dollar annual deficits and spying on every communication in America, while at the same time failing to control the southern border and failing to stop terrorist attacks by known terrorists.


27 posted on 07/28/2013 2:32:32 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: cripplecreek

So RINOS have the answers? Scare tactics because they know thier days are numbered, they were given the chance and they side with the criminals


28 posted on 07/28/2013 2:56:39 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Olog-hai

Wow, the Establishment is really spooked right now, first the rant about the Constitution being “esoteric” by Governor Christie (R - NJ) and now scare and smear from Rep King (R - IRA).

We must be doing something Right! VIVA Rand! Viva Amash! Viva the Constitution!


29 posted on 07/28/2013 2:57:14 PM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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To: Olog-hai

The libertarians are supporting amnesty and abortion, so which is it?

neither?


30 posted on 07/28/2013 2:57:44 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: justa-hairyape

Meanwhile we have “Hispanic Centers” openly trafficking in illegal aliens.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048196/posts


31 posted on 07/28/2013 3:01:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilgipper

It’s just so easy for these statist RINOs. Everything they don’t like they label libertarian and the bubbas just lap it up.


32 posted on 07/28/2013 3:02:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Olog-hai

the GOPe have already done that


33 posted on 07/28/2013 3:03:31 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: ilgipper

Agreed. Too many folks here hear “libertarian” and think “Libertarian Party”. Two completely different animals, but it makes easy fodder for the RINOs.


34 posted on 07/28/2013 3:08:28 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I thought Peter King was against amnesty. He was involved in the border fence. Looking back to a 2006 article both Steve and Peter were mentioned attacking Karl Rove.

If he had any brains he’d attack Rand Paul on amnesty lite and hispandering. Position himself as a moderate republican who voted for the Hurricane Sandy bill, Farm Bill and profiling muslims.

The cheap labor extremism of Rubio is not moderate.

Position the pork filled bill as an American first bill. Rubio wants to spend 10 times that on illegals.


35 posted on 07/28/2013 3:11:36 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Olog-hai

well, the elitist GOP hate libertarians, conservatives, evangelicals etc.....

Who is left to vote for them?

Dems? Nope
Latino’s and Hispanics? No way
Blacks? Forget it
LGBT crowd? No siree

I guess they could court some midgets maybe. Oh, And the NE libdem type Republicans.

Thats about all, Folks! heh


36 posted on 07/28/2013 3:13:44 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: GeronL

[[[I don’t like libertopians or liberal RINO’s. Imagine my predicament]]]

I know what you mean. I share your predicament. But with a minor correction: It’s “liber-dopians”


37 posted on 07/28/2013 3:17:11 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Olog-hai

Ahhhhh.....libertarians......cheap, selfish and self-centered. They’re like Democrats, but instead of spending their money at strip clubs, they hide it in their mattress.


38 posted on 07/28/2013 3:25:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: tet68

Until a third party can attract lots of dems, it is futile.


39 posted on 07/28/2013 3:29:11 PM PDT by amihow
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To: GeronL; heye2monn

40 posted on 07/28/2013 3:31:53 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Olog-hai

There are two kinds of politicians: Bigger Governmentists and smaller Governments.

It really is as simple as that.


41 posted on 07/28/2013 3:38:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: amihow

Trying to attract democrats is futile.
Putting the conservatives and Constitutionalists
into a BLOCK will effect the GOP-E.
That is the only hope we have.

Admittedly a slim one, the road Obama and the
democrats are taking us down is a dead end,
the Republican party isn’t even saying slow down.


42 posted on 07/28/2013 3:39:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: WeatherGuy
Libertarianism only exists because they can’t see any difference between the RNC and DNC.

Oh libertarians see the difference. That difference being if the DNC had the votes tomorrow they would repeal the Bill of Rights immediately...for the children. The RNC would denounce this move as extreme and instead offer their plan to phase out the Bill of Rights over a three year period...for the children.

43 posted on 07/28/2013 3:46:19 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: vbmoneyspender
The anti-war left took over the country during the 1970s. The marched thru almost all of our institutions. The media, the colleges, the non-profits, the unions, the legal profession and the list goes on. They were all infiltrated and taken over by the left during the '70s and they have remained firmly in control of these institutions through to the present.

Well, I guess that explains the total lack of wars and foreign interventions since the end of the cold war in the early 1990's, then, doesn't it?

44 posted on 07/28/2013 3:49:52 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

What makes you think the left is against wars? They were against the Vietnam War because we happened to be fighting Communists. If the Viet Cong had been acolytes of George Washington and the South Vietnamese had been Marxist-Leninists, they would have fully supported us fighting on behalf of the South Vietnamese.


45 posted on 07/28/2013 3:54:29 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: righttackle44
The only good things about Libertarians is when you get rid of them.

You sure did that! None of them lousy libertarians stinking up your grand old party since after the 2004 elections. So how did all of those elections go for you guys after that?

46 posted on 07/28/2013 3:55:48 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: vbmoneyspender
What makes you think the left is against wars?

I wasn't the one going on about the anti-war left taking over everything.

47 posted on 07/28/2013 3:57:10 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
You're not making sense and you are certainly not following what Peter King said. He said that the hard left destroyed the Democratic Party for 20 years after McGovern was nominated to run for President in 1972. That position is utterly ridiculous. The hard left gained strength throughout the 1970s. And even during the Reagan years, they were able to consolidate their hold on many American institutions such as the media, the Hollywood film industry, colleges, unions, etc. Do you deny these facts?

More importantly, the lesson to be learned from the success of the anti-war left is that ideological consistency works. The left acted on their beliefs and they were able to shift American culture significantly to the left. The results can be seen today and are undeniable to all but those who are blind.

If conservatives want to shift American culture back to the right, then they need to emulate what worked for the left and disregard what Peter King is saying about it being counter-productive to act on one's ideological beliefs.

48 posted on 07/28/2013 4:09:14 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

And, one more time, I wasn’t the one who said the anti-war left took over everything. If you would like to correct or expand on your statement that the anti-war left took over everything, please feel free to do so.


49 posted on 07/28/2013 4:20:35 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

One more time I don’t think you are thinking clearly.


50 posted on 07/28/2013 4:22:02 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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