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80% Of US Adults Are Near Poverty, Rely On Welfare, Or Are Unemployed
Zero Hedge ^ | 7-28-13 | "Tyler Durden"

Posted on 07/29/2013 2:12:25 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Despite consumer confidence at a six-year high, the latest AP survey of the real America shows a stunning four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, are near poverty, or rely on welfare for at least parts of their lives amid signs of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream. Hardship is particularly on the rise among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among whites about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987.

"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," as 'the invisible poor' - lower income whites - are generally dispersed in suburbs (Appalachia, the industrial Midwest, and across America's heartland, from Missouri, Arkansas and Oklahoma up through the Great Plains) where more than 60% of the poor are white.

More than 19 million whites fall below the poverty line of $23,021 for a family of four - accounting for more than 41% of the nation's destitute - nearly double the number of poor blacks and as one survey respondent noted "I think it's going to get worse."

Via AP,

Hardship is particularly on the rise among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among that racial group about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987. In the most recent AP-GfK poll, 63 percent of whites called the economy "poor."

"If you do try to go apply for a job, they're not hiring people, and they're not paying that much to even go to work," she said. Children, she said, have "nothing better to do than to get on drugs."

Economic insecurity among whites also is more pervasive than is shown in government data, engulfing more than 76 percent of white adults by the time they turn 60, according to a new economic gauge being published next year by the Oxford University Press.

"It's time that America comes to understand that many of the nation's biggest disparities, from education and life expectancy to poverty, are increasingly due to economic class position," said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard professor who specializes in race and poverty.

"There is the real possibility that white alienation will increase if steps are not taken to highlight and address inequality on a broad front,"

"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," says Mark Rank, a professor at Washington University in St. Louis who calculated the numbers.

Among the findings:

For the first time since 1975, the number of white single-mother households who were living in poverty with children surpassed or equaled black ones in the past decade, spurred by job losses and faster rates of out-of-wedlock births among whites. White single-mother families in poverty stood at nearly 1.5 million in 2011, comparable to the number for blacks. Hispanic single-mother families in poverty trailed at 1.2 million.

The share of children living in high-poverty neighborhoods — those with poverty rates of 30 percent or more — has increased to 1 in 10, putting them at higher risk of teen pregnancy or dropping out of school. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 17 percent of the child population in such neighborhoods, up from 13 percent in 2000, even though the overall proportion of white children in the U.S. has been declining.

The share of black children in high-poverty neighborhoods dropped sharply, from 43 percent to 37 percent, while the share of Latino children ticked higher, from 38 to 39 percent.

Going back to the 1980s, never have whites been so pessimistic about their futures.

All this despite Jack Lew's insistence on this morning's Meet The Press that this recovery is 'not anemic', six year highs in consumer confidence, and all-time-highs in US equity markets.

Perhaps it is worth reiterating the question that Rick Santelli asked before?


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Link to AP story via Drudge:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/exclusive-4-5-us-face-near-poverty-no-work-0

1 posted on 07/29/2013 2:12:25 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

Why am I not surprised?


2 posted on 07/29/2013 2:18:24 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Could it be because Obama is about payback 24 hours a day, every day?


3 posted on 07/29/2013 2:19:30 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: RKBA Democrat

As much of a doom and gloomer that I am, I find it incredible
that it can be 80 percent.
I think that America is finished, but 80 percent are already gone?
I have only one fear...my social security drying up. It is what I live on now.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 2:21:32 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: RKBA Democrat
I hope Mark Levin, with his new book, sparks a wave of resistance to that which ails us, authoritarian government.

We have the legitimate, constitutional power to turn things around without violence. It is time to use the tools our framers gave us, to go on the offense against the rat/rino/media/judicial complex that is rapidly consolidating all power and stomping out our freedoms.

5 posted on 07/29/2013 2:34:27 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: AlexW

The 80% number is lying with statistics. They define the 80% by simply saying the top 20% are the only ones not in poverty.Pardon my ignorance but does not the word poverty mean starvation? Most of those in poverty in the US are obese. They have too much to eat. Nobody starves in the US except the occasional drug addict if them.

Most of those in “poverty” in the US would be in the top 3% of the worlds wealthiest people to get there all they have to do is have a bank account with a $100.00 balance.

So I think you are right the article is a lie.

I also think you better find something other than Social Security; not because I am mean but because I think your right about that too.


6 posted on 07/29/2013 2:35:29 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Ronin

My county at last Census was 96% white, 1% black, and 2% other (the other being illegals it seems).

I’m at Walmart nearly every day for something or another and rare are the times when I don’t see some young overweight baby mama with her fricking EBT card buying up all the soft drinks, chips and Ho-Hos in sight.

I cannot recall having seen one black person use an EBT card there.

Just like crack, cocaine, meth, etc. don’t care what your color is, neither does EBT/SNAP/WICs/TANF/EITC/Section 8.


7 posted on 07/29/2013 2:42:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: AlexW

It’s NOT. What the article says. It states that AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE. 80 % are close to poverty etc etc.


8 posted on 07/29/2013 2:43:30 AM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: Fai Mao

Sure about that?


9 posted on 07/29/2013 2:48:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jacquerie

Those powers of which you speak are moot when the combined branches of government are arrayed against freedom and personal responsibility. Each branch is totally infested with ideologues that will negate all the protections.

It used to be that basic human wrongs (e.g., segregation in Little Rock Arkansas, Alabama with Wallace, et al) were protected and corrected even though if you’d have run a poll then, it likely wouldn’t have come down on the side of right. The Law ruled.

Today, it isn’t like that. Established law does not rule; you can see the effects of that nearly every single day with the arbitrary (and illegal) orders of Obama, Holder, liberal judges, and even in Congress.

Today, Law does not rule - Tyrants do, and there isn’t a peaceful process to be rid of them that I know of.


10 posted on 07/29/2013 2:49:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RKBA Democrat
Despite consumer confidence at a six-year high, the latest AP survey of the real America shows a stunning four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, are near poverty, or rely on welfare for at least parts of their lives amid signs of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.

Claims like this become believable when they start to hit close to home. My nephew just learned that the plant where he has been working for the past 18 years, is being shut down. There are absolutely NO jobs around that area; only more misery as power plants are being forced to close by our EPA.

More poverty in a poverty struck area that once flourished with coal mines and steel mills. How will the Democrats they continue to elect help them now?

11 posted on 07/29/2013 2:57:08 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: AlexW

If Obama ever discovers life expectancy tables broken down by race, your social security benefits will have a life expectancy of one week.


12 posted on 07/29/2013 3:06:56 AM PDT by monocle
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To: RKBA Democrat


13 posted on 07/29/2013 3:08:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: Biggirl

Yeah, fairly sure. The trick works like this. divide the population into thirds. Call the bottom third the poverty line. No matter how much that bottom third makes they will always be in poverty. This study uses that type of approach. It is based upon envy not actual starvation. It is disingenuous to say “If they didn’t have food stamps, welfare and such they’d starve” because they do have those things.

In the 1980’s women in the US spent more on cosmetics than the combined GNP of all the countries in Africa combined if you left out South Africa. I don’t think that has changed much. Does that sound like poverty? How many “poor” women wear makeup?

There is enough grain in the US turned into beer each year to feed everyone that starves in the world - or so various charities used to say. If the poor in the US are starving then why do they buy beer instead of bread? (Please note I am a beer drinker)

Let the libritards in the US move to Nigeria or India if they want to see poverty.

A last issue. Most of those in “poverty”in the US are there because of choices they themselves made. The Blacks could have made use of the education offered them. They could have chosen to not live a debauched, non-industrious life but most of them didn’t. They are poor because they decided that the things that would make them prosperous, working, learning to read and write and manner were too white. They created the Hell they are in.

That is not the case in a place like India where the poor are poor because they are in a caste that is kept poor by the higher level Hindu caste or in Nigeria by an oppressive corrupt government


14 posted on 07/29/2013 3:12:41 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Not Congress which has gotten richer from the
banks of al Qaeda and Islam against the American people.

Congress has destroyed America by support tyranny
and lawlessness as they micturated on their Oaths.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 3:14:21 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: AlexW

And still they are raising taxes here in Maryland and bleeding us dry, while they send money to Casa De Maryland to help the illegals.

They raised the gasoline tax ,but there is no talk of building the new Bridges that we need in Southern Maryland.
All O’Malley worries about is Annapolis and Baltimore.


16 posted on 07/29/2013 3:16:46 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: monocle

” your social security benefits will have a life expectancy of one week.”
______________________________________________
Well, maybe so, but since I am an expat, I live on a fraction of what those in the USSA have to pay. I will survive without SS, but I may have to give up my lust for wine ;)


17 posted on 07/29/2013 3:17:49 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Truth29

> Could it be because Obama is about payback 24 hours a day, every day?

About to? He already has and he dishes it out 24/7 with Jarrett, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, and therest of his cast


18 posted on 07/29/2013 3:27:14 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Fai Mao

Put the blame where it belongs, on the race hustlers who make efforts to divide this country.


19 posted on 07/29/2013 3:28:11 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: jsanders2001

^ my bad. Not enough coffee in the veins yet...


20 posted on 07/29/2013 3:28:28 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kozak
"It’s NOT. What the article says. It states that AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE. 80 % are close to poverty etc etc."

"for at least parts of their lives" ... I'm surprised it's only 80%.

("For their entire lives" might be approaching the magic 47% after Obama, but that's not what the article says.)

21 posted on 07/29/2013 3:37:07 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: RKBA Democrat

BTTT !


22 posted on 07/29/2013 3:40:24 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: RKBA Democrat
I know I'm in the 'burbs, but this just doesn't compute as much as Freepers want it to. There is a small building boom, restaurants and stores are full with registers ringing. Financial guys tell me borrowing is down some, saving up some. Realtors all tell me their business is good. My contact in AZ reports rising home prices, airports are full, Vegas last week was packed, and they weren't all foreigners.

My students do not seem to have trouble finding jobs, especially if they are in accounting or business. The # of my college seniors going into law has plummeted.

In short, if all these people are "near poverty" they sure aren't behaving that way.

23 posted on 07/29/2013 3:45:45 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Fai Mao

Granted most of those in poverty have a cell phone and cable tv it doesn’t change the fact that comparing $$ is Atlanta to most of Africa is a useless exercise to determine poverty.


24 posted on 07/29/2013 3:47:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
I was just on the phone with the wife. She is driving to work this AM she told me she just heard a news report as she is driving through Pike County Ohio that a local school system has 100% enrollment in free lunch.

Pike County has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state. 12.4% on the fake unemployment scale, so God only knows how many are really unemployed.

25 posted on 07/29/2013 3:56:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: LS

“I know I’m in the ‘burbs, but this just doesn’t compute as much as Freepers want it to.”

Here in the ‘burbs in northeast NJ the economy is trashed; too many jobs lost and taxpayers fleeing. The only people buying homes or patronizing restaurants are the public employees who have survived the layoffs (which would be the ones with the most seniority/highest pay). Won’t be any building for decades due to the amount of homes for sale and empty commercial buildings. The news has a “shore recovery” piece each day about the re-building progress there; I couldn’t believe how much business wasn’t up & running yet (since the focus was on businesses instead of homes) - there are much fewer people with the money to spend down there, so the shore is basically going to miss a season (at least one).

The only way the Dems stay in races is to say this is due to foreign competition (instead of socialist policies); they can then ask which you would rather have in office: Santa Claus or mean white male Republicans?


26 posted on 07/29/2013 3:58:04 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: RKBA Democrat

It’s the transformation of America to third world status. One promise he’s kept.


27 posted on 07/29/2013 4:00:14 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: RKBA Democrat

Until the media has mass lay-offs and reporters are applying for food stamps, they’ll be trying to convince the crumbling middle class that things are on the up-swing.

CNBC deserves to be the first one to go for their non-stop lying about a “recovery” that never happened, except for the well-connected on Wall St. The rich get richer and the poor get food stamps.


28 posted on 07/29/2013 4:08:41 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Kozak

That’s right. The article says “at some point in their life”. I’m quite wealthy these days but a long time ago I was extremely poor, that was my college years. I even went hungry once in a while but you wouldn’t think it to see me now! Lot’s of us have been poor at some point but we work hard and overcome.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 4:11:46 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Kozak

Which we know is preposterous. The majority of middle class Americans on up go with close to income through at least a couple of years of college, but they’re not even then living a poverty lifestyle.


30 posted on 07/29/2013 4:15:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: jersey117
"It’s the transformation of America to third world status. One promise he’s kept."

Bingo!

31 posted on 07/29/2013 4:15:27 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: RKBA Democrat
http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-America-1960-2010-ebook/dp/B00540PAXS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375096878&sr=8-1&keywords=coming+apart+charles+murray

The above is a link to the book “Coming Apart”. It mirrors what I have seen happening. The lower class white’s are sliding into the same trap that has already claimed the lower class blacks. No jobs, no hope, generational welfare, and a feeling that there is no escape.

My home town in eastern Nebraska has changed totally in the last ten years. Families that used to be hard working now sit at home (to be honest, they are not families anymore, they split), do drugs, and live off of the EBT.

Many of these people don't have the IQ to get a college degree.

We need to figure out what to do before the mob starts collecting heads.

32 posted on 07/29/2013 4:24:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Aristocrats prefer a nation of peons/serfs. Our aristocrats today are neo-aristocrats, but wealth or power often results in a sense of entitlement. Once they’ve “arrived”, they see themselves as the ubermench, the rightful overlords of the peons.

Historically, the middle class is repugnant to aristocrats as those who can ignore their power and self-importance.

Our two political parties are sold out to America’s neo-aristocrats.


33 posted on 07/29/2013 4:35:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Utopia!


34 posted on 07/29/2013 4:40:15 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: AlexW
Understanding Poverty in America

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjJiMDE5Y2M1OWNmNDFhMDIwNWMxYTA1Mzk5ZDkxMTk=

Conventional accounts of poverty not only exaggerate hardship, they also underestimate government spending on the poor. In 2008, federal and state governments spent $714 billion (or 5 percent of the total economy) on means-tested welfare aid, providing cash, food, housing, medical care, and targeted social services to poor and low-income Americans. (This sum does not include Social Security or Medicare.) If converted into cash, this aid would be nearly four times the amount needed to eliminate poverty in the U.S. by raising the incomes of all poor households above the federal poverty levels.

35 posted on 07/29/2013 4:43:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What a load of crap.

AP should stay out of Philadelphia, deetroit and LA ghettos when they make their surveys


36 posted on 07/29/2013 4:48:25 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Gaffer
Those powers of which you speak are moot when the combined branches of government are arrayed against freedom and personal responsibility.

The powers are real. We can do an end run around the DC ruling class and reestablish the rule of law.

The tyranny of consolidated government that evolved these past hundred years since the 17th Amendment, was predicted by the framers. Until vertical separation of powers is restored, the paper horizontal separation of three national branches will continue to collapse into an authoritarian government.

37 posted on 07/29/2013 5:00:53 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

I know they are real, but they have been undone by entitlements and sloth. We are effectively outnumbered; and our pathetic Republican Leadership in the House and Senate are a roadblock into securing anything meaningfully substantive. At best we can only hold onto the House through Herculean efforts. The Senate is a done deal for its country club denizens and it doesn’t matter what party they are - they all are traitors except a handful few.

Lastly, it will be a long time before you see another Republican President. Democrats have perfected fraud to the ultimate level.


38 posted on 07/29/2013 5:07:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RKBA Democrat

“There is the real possibility that white alienation will increase if steps are not taken to highlight and address inequality on a broad front,”

Uh oh....the Liberals have gone and killed the goose that laid the golden egg!


39 posted on 07/29/2013 5:09:58 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I often have to explain to my foreign guests... our “poor” often own houses, multiple vehicles, big screen televisions and are able to afford cable and smart phones...


40 posted on 07/29/2013 5:12:42 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I wonder how many “households” in the United States had zero real earned income last year. I would think that’s the percentage of the population that is growing the fastest and tipping the scales.

The question for conservatives is even if we regained full control of the government what would you do with them?


41 posted on 07/29/2013 5:17:09 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Fai Mao
I agree with you. The article stated that "at some point in their lives" concerning poverty. Well naturally, when most people move out of the house, before they have a regular job, they're near the poverty line. That doesn't mean they're impoverished or without resources. They're mostly just young.

I think my area of the country if fairly representative of most of the country outside the huge urban areas. Nobody is starving around here. The unemployment rate is about 6%. The great majority of Americans are living good. Not even an economically-challenged, socialist boob like Obama can make things deteriorate that fast. People have to use common sense when reading these articles. It's from the AP. They're trying to indict capitalism not Obama.

42 posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:17 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: RKBA Democrat

I think this article is mostly nonsense and misrepresentation. I grew up in a neighborhood of white trash, and drunken Indians. That was my impression of what life was like, and that was in the 60s and 70s. My parents were sober hard working people and we eventually were able to move the heck away from there and I began to see a more prosperous way of life. No more welfare bums, and drunks living off dog good so they could afford their whiskey.

There are pockets of self induced poverty everywhere. The worst thing Obama and company have done is destroy hope, and that is one point I can agree with the author on. We must rid the nation of this lawless cabal of corrupt politicians and return to the rule of law and the Constitution. It is take back time, and we need to get damn serious.


43 posted on 07/29/2013 5:44:01 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Obama's mommy was a commie.)
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To: Jay Redhawk

That would be “dog food.” Alpo is not bad if you are in bind, but stay away from Ol’Roy.


44 posted on 07/29/2013 5:48:16 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Obama's mommy was a commie.)
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To: RadiationRomeo

That’s right. The article says “at some point in their life”. I’m quite wealthy these days but a long time ago I was extremely poor, that was my college years. I even went hungry once in a while but you wouldn’t think it to see me now! Lot’s of us have been poor at some point but we work hard and overcome.


I think that’s the exact fallacy. Once I was in Louisiana with $20 cash to my name hoping to find work in the oil fields (yeah I know they’re mostly south of there but that’s not the point). Point was I went a week eating on something like $2 a day. So at that one point in my life I was at the poverty level. Doesn’t reflect the other 99% of my life. Yet I’d probably make the cut off for the 80%.

If someone wants to make the claim that there is more financial distress hidden amongst the shopping malls, the walmarts and the strip malls then we generally think there is - then sure - I’m in agreement.

But anyone with eyes can see that 80% isn’t even coming close to the number that are in trouble - I don’t know what that number is but it’s not 80%.


45 posted on 07/29/2013 5:48:50 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: RKBA Democrat
faster rates of out-of-wedlock births among whites

80% of poor households are headed by a woman who had her first baby in her teens and is a HS drop out. What's the solution? Adoption and automatic birth control.

Why on earth would we let a dumb teen keep her baby and get welfare for it? No GED, no welfare, but we'll let you adopt and place $5000 in a fund for your use once you get your GED and turn 18, of course you have to take birth control, the 5 year norplant or IUD.

46 posted on 07/29/2013 5:49:52 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: redgolum

I recently travelled to rural MO, and I was completely appalled. There are entire counties where the vast majority of people are on the dole and live in poverty. The poverty is not simply economic, though that is bad; the real poverty is spiritual and cultural. Welfare has turned all the people into government wards.

The largest buildings in the towns were courthouses and jails where a significant percentage the local population is run through in turnstile fashion: ignorant people being railroaded on petty charges to return revenue to the counties—and the majority of them were white.

I drove for hours trying to find a hotel and ran across an old AF base. I pulled turned in, thinking that I could stay at billeting, but the place was deserted. It must have been BRAC’ed in the 80-90s, and the entire place was literally falling apart. There were also a large number of commercial aircraft parked on the decaying tarmac.

I have travelled in some “interesting” places over my life, but I rarely felt the lack of a sidearm more acutely than when I took a wrong turn trying to find a sandwich shop—last time I travel without my pistol. I thought I was caught up in a twilight zone episode or lost somewhere in the third world. It was completely sickening!


47 posted on 07/29/2013 5:51:35 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: Gaffer
I’m at Walmart nearly every day for something or another and rare are the times when I don’t see some young overweight baby mama with her fricking EBT card buying up all the soft drinks, chips and Ho-Hos in sight.

I was at our local Walmart the other day, waiting in the lot for someone. Twenty minutes or so. Many people went in and out. At least half were grossly overweight. I don't mean hefty, chunky, stout...I mean whales. And since I also shop there frequently I can vouch for the popularity of EBT and WIC benefits.

And by the way, WIC program still uses paper checks of some sort, and these checks have specific items for which they are vouchers. Specific quantities and weights for the items. Rarely do I get behind a WIC purchase at which the purchaser hasn't made an error in selection. These people can't read/comprehend well at all. Pardon the rant.

48 posted on 07/29/2013 6:05:53 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: RKBA Democrat

We’re all Detroiters now...


49 posted on 07/29/2013 6:07:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat dream: An America for everyone but Americans... freeper molson209)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Wait until the dollar loses reserve status, we’ll all be wheeling barrels of dollars around looking for something of value to buy with them.


50 posted on 07/29/2013 6:10:10 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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