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CIA-funded project could control the weather ($630,000 project for the science of geoengineering)
Mother Nature Network ^ | 07/28/2013 | John Platt

Posted on 07/29/2013 9:13:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is among five government agencies investigating new ideas to mitigate climate change, according to a report from Mother Jones.

The 21-month, $630,000 project will be run by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) with funding coming from the CIA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and NASA.

The project is called "Geoengineering Climate: Technical Evaluation and Discussion of Impacts." Geoengineering is a fairly broad term, but in this context it refers to efforts to remove carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere or reflect solar radiation away from Earth to lessen the effects of global warming.

According to the project's official description, a committee of experts will "conduct a technical evaluation of a limited number of proposed geoengineering techniques, including examples of both solar radiation management and carbon dioxide removal techniques, and comment generally on the potential impacts of deploying these technologies, including possible environmental, economic, and national security concerns." The 16-member committee, which has already met three times, includes experts from the University of California at San Diego, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, the Environmental Defense Fund, Carnegie Mellon University, Stanford University and other institutions.

Two CIA spokespeople gave Mother Jones conflicting answers about the agency's role in the research. One confirmed that the CIA was involved in the project, while the other would not confirm it but said "It's natural that on a subject like climate change the agency would work with scientists to better understand the phenomenon and its implications on national security." The CIA formerly ran a research center on climate change, which notably closed last year after Republican politicians said the intelligence agency should not be involved in researching climate change.

As you might guess from the project's fairly small budget, the committee isn't doing primary research or developing new technologies. Instead, they are reviewing the available published science on these subjects. An NAS spokesperson told NBC News that the project is "an assessment of the science — what do we know, what do we not know, what are the risks based on what we know and don't know right now." Meanwhile, NAS project leader Edward Dunlea told Fox News that despite the closed-door nature of the first two committee meetings the research is not classified. "We're doing an evaluation," he said. "This is an assessment of what is known in the science literature about some of the proposed engineering techniques — both solar-radiation management and carbon-dioxide removal."

According to Mother Jones the NAS funded two previous workshops on geoengineering. This is the first time that the CIA has participated.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; geoengineering; weather; weathercontrol

1 posted on 07/29/2013 9:13:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

MORE HERE FROM FOX NEWS:

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/07/23/cia-wants-to-control-weather-climate-change/

TITLE: CIA wants to control the weather, climate change


2 posted on 07/29/2013 9:14:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

MORE HERE:

http://news.techeye.net/science/cia-investigates-weather-control-technology

CIA investigates weather control technology

EXCERPT:

The CIA is spending $630,000 on the concept. It closed its research centre on climate change and national security last year, after GOP members of Congress argued it was a subject the CIA shouldn’t be looking at.

The researchers are looking for a “technical evaluation of a limited number of proposed geoengineering techniques”.

This will include trying to work out which geoengineering techniques are feasible and try to evaluate the impacts and risks of each.

One method is a study which will look at pumping particles into the stratosphere to reflect incoming sunlight away from the planet.

There is a theory that solar radiation management could lead to a global cooling trend that might reverse, or at least slow down, global warming. There are other plans to look at removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.


3 posted on 07/29/2013 9:15:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is either satire or insanity !


4 posted on 07/29/2013 9:16:33 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: SeekAndFind

if you could control the weather for $630K, wouldn’t someone have done it already?


5 posted on 07/29/2013 9:17:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
I've typed my comment in 5 times, only to start over because words fail me.

I can't believe how ridiculous this is.

6 posted on 07/29/2013 9:20:56 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

RE: if you could control the weather for $630K

That $635,000 is for a STUDY. How much it will eventually cost ( if it is even remotely feasible ) is anybody’s guess.


7 posted on 07/29/2013 9:22:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Cool. I’m going camping this weekend. Where do I put in my weather request?


8 posted on 07/29/2013 9:22:23 AM PDT by Rio
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To: SeekAndFind

man cannot control nature


9 posted on 07/29/2013 9:23:06 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is getting cooler. Do not try to make it cooler as that will lead to crop failure.

Stop spending money on the global warming claptrap and get down to the business at hand.


10 posted on 07/29/2013 9:23:37 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: yldstrk

RE: man cannot control nature

Well, the CIA is testing that to see if the statement can be falsified...


11 posted on 07/29/2013 9:25:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Global warming is non-existent. It is a ruse a false crisis to justify more regulation and control, the loss of liberties and the transfer of wealth to the wealthy. There has been no global warming in 16-17 years. How can they blatantly go ahead with this as if everyone still believed in the crisis? It pulls back the mask and shows our government for what it is - a totalitarian state.


12 posted on 07/29/2013 9:27:02 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“if you could control the weather for $630K, wouldn’t someone have done it already?”

Apparently it worked, global temperatures have stayed about the same for 15 years now.


13 posted on 07/29/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: marsh2

RE: Global warming is non-existent.

I think the enviro wacko’s have silently conceded that... that’s why you seldom see that term being used anymore.

Now it’s the catch-all phrase — CLIMATE CHANGE (one they can use both when the temperature goes up, down or sideways ).


14 posted on 07/29/2013 9:28:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ll need possession of the Ice Princess Diamond to make the machine work and I believe it’s back in the hands of the Cassadine family. Where’s my Member Only jacket?


15 posted on 07/29/2013 9:34:21 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: yldstrk
Paraphrasing some famous cynics:

“everything that will be invented already has been invented”

“a heavier-than-air flying machine cannot exist”

“space travel is impossible”

16 posted on 07/29/2013 9:34:24 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: massgopguy
Someone in the CIA must have attended one too many Comic-Conventions...

17 posted on 07/29/2013 9:35:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Rio

Send your request care of Manbearpig of you can find which mansion he’s living in now.


18 posted on 07/29/2013 9:36:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like the Halliburton Hurricane Machine.


19 posted on 07/29/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: yldstrk

man cannot control nature

BUT HE SURE COULD MAKE SOME DANGEROUS MISTAKES TRYING!!

Given that this is a GUBMENT project....ANYTHING is possible.

I hesitate to Speculate what sort of unforeseen “problems” could be be generated by the sort thoughtless actions such a governement project.


20 posted on 07/29/2013 9:38:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Macabre Crumpet of Caucasian Ethnicity)
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To: SeekAndFind

Al Gore when running for president in 2000 said “we are working on controlling weather.”

Later he wrote “An Inconvenient Truth” which led to his movie.

Mankind has tried to make rain since forever and has never stopped.

Funding has probably never stopped, either, as governments know controlling weather would be one of the best offensive/defensive weapons.


21 posted on 07/29/2013 9:39:21 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

The people in the CIA are not smart enough to be mucking with a self-correcting system like global climates... Opps we’re so sorry won’t cut it when they realize we’re in the infancy of that science... and realize it too late.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 9:43:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat dream: An America for everyone but Americans... freeper molson209)
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To: SeekAndFind

SOUEEEE! HERE, PORK! PORK! PORK!

More calls for funding of pseudo-science.

How about calling for funding to extirpate Islam before it attacks us?


23 posted on 07/29/2013 9:47:37 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Lady Jag

“Mankind has tried to make rain since forever and has never stopped.”

I read a good sci-fi short story about, how after we had developed unlimited, cheap fusion power, that the Middle East oil producers had to find some use for their now nearly worthless oil. Their solution was to build “artificial mountains” of huge strips of asphalt which would generate rain in the desert from the up drafts of hot air created by the asphalt.


24 posted on 07/29/2013 10:01:07 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: layman

I doubt it is satire. I watched a documentary about the feasibility of putting millions of tiny mirrors into space to deflect some of the Sun’s light.

...these people are out there!!! Another idea was to dump iron-oxide(?)/rust into our oceans, something about how it would help the ocean absorb CO2.

What could possibly go wrong!!!! ugh. I found their arrogance offensive.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 10:29:09 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: ryan71

“I’ve typed my comment in 5 times...”

I’ll help you. We should start with...

“Lord, Lord, Lord...”


26 posted on 07/29/2013 10:59:07 AM PDT by moovova (Sell everything, folks. Be poised to run.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the solution for humans changing the climate is for humans to change the climate. Wow. No wonder modern government or leftists never solve any problems.


27 posted on 07/29/2013 11:05:10 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: All

We can fix Mother Nature, right?

The arrogance of ignorance has no bounds
But bounds about in unintended consequential glee,
Sure of its brilliance,
Unrestricted by its stupidity.


28 posted on 07/29/2013 11:25:30 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A big part of why our government’s role has been reversed i.e. controlling the citizens instead of the citizens controlling the government is the political class has no thinking boundaries. Anything goes if it works for them. Whereas the everyday human has no such inclination to that type of ambition. We scoff and mock the mere mention of such tomfoolery.

Meanwhile:

http://aupress.au.af.mil/digital/pdf/paper/t_coble_benign_weather_modification.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/12/08/bill-may-renew-us-weather-control-efforts/

http://watch.pair.com/weather-modification.html

Warning. The third link contains some information that many here consider tomfoolery. If any reader is uncomfortable with the possibility that political leaders could ever agree to any kind of program that would give their class tremendous power over US who enjoy stumbling around in the darkness of our closed minds, that’s ok. No reason to get excited.

Tomfoolery usually plays out pretty quickly. Your disdain of such imaginings could prove worthy any day now.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 2:43:51 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: SeekAndFind

Fantasy. No gubmint project ever cost just $630,000.


30 posted on 07/29/2013 2:49:42 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MurrietaMadman; SunkenCiv

Great links - here is another:

Owning the Weather in 2025
A Research Paper Presented To the Air Force
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf


31 posted on 07/29/2013 5:53:29 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

That is a great link, thanks. That the information was presented in 1996 allows anyone who has paid attention in the ensuing years to gain a firmer understanding of how close the political pirates have come to their dream of complete control, however temporary.

I thought the Paper’s use of one liners ingenious, if intended. Particularly appreciated Chapter Four, Artificial Weather, which includes this gem:

One major advantage of using simulated weather to achieve a desired effect is that unlike other approaches, it makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena.

Oh, my!


32 posted on 07/29/2013 8:47:21 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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