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Vatican's shift on gay priests may influence civil law in US
Allvoices ^ | Monday, July 29, 2013 | Paul Jesep

Posted on 07/29/2013 10:25:42 AM PDT by Jyotishi

Rome, Italy: Pope Francis made a seismic shift in Vatican policy this week. He appeared to accept the service of gay priests who don’t act on their sexuality.

The implications can’t be overstated. It has the potential to influence the views of those opposed to LGBTQ legal rights in many American states and countries throughout the world.

Celibacy is a requirement to serve in the Catholic priesthood. Hence, it shouldn’t matter if the priest is gay or straight. Hence, celibacy becomes the key, not the sexual orientation. This changes much of the discussion.

According to the pope, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” He added, “You can’t marginalize these people.”

The comments raise questions about long-standing Vatican policies that are spiritually and emotionally abusive. The predecessor of Pope Francis, Benedict, said homosexuality, “is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder." Of course, science has long rebutted the notion homosexuality is a “disorder.”

In his comment, Francis spoke to the personhood of every individual, regardless of his calling to the priesthood. In doing so, he has set the stage for a lively, much needed discussion about human sexuality.

Will the Vatican now take a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to the priesthood? Will it permit celibate, but openly gay priests to serve? What message does it send to LGBTQ Catholics long marginalized by orthodox Catholics and conservative hierarchs, if openly, celibate gay priests serve the holy sacraments?

If a gay or straight priest acts on a need for physical intimacy and companionship, what makes it a sin, breaking the vow given to the church over celibacy?

If an openly gay, celibate priest is worthy to serve Eucharist, solemnize straight marriages, and perform the last rites at someone’s bedside, how is it possible two parishioners of the same gender can’t have a blessing of their union, though not called a marriage?

Will gay, celibate priests be able to speak out against such injustices as discrimination in housing and employment due to sexual identity? Will a lesbian teacher now be allowed to keep her job at a Catholic school?

Does acceptance of gay priests finally break the ugly, hateful stereotype someone gay is inclined to be a pedophile, long perpetuated by conservative elements in the Catholic Church, but disavowed by science?

The comments made by Francis have enormous implications, assuming the dogmatists in the Vatican, once they’ve recovered from their shock, don’t down play his words and reaffirm Catholic orthodoxy without appearing to disagree with the pope.

This will either be a period of holy revelation for Catholics or one of growing theological and philosophical friction. Either way, this may be a very exciting time for the Catholic Church.

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Paul Jesep is a policy analyst, corporate chaplain, and author of “Lost Sense of Self & the Ethics Crisis: Learn to Live and Work Ethically”.

PJesep is based in Schenectady, New York, United States of America, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; homosexualagenda; popefrancis; religion; sodomy
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To: Jyotishi
great...a papal decree of “don't ask don't tell”
21 posted on 07/29/2013 10:57:33 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: stylin19a; MinuteGal

“great...a papal decree of “don’t ask don’t tell””

LOL. Well said. Boy don’t you have that right. This Pope has to learn to button his lip, because I don’t think I want to know what is on this Pope’s mind. I might be further horrified.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 11:03:24 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Alex Murphy
What does a celibate-but-openly-gay priest look like?

What does a celibate-but-openly-gay "Orthodox" Presbyterian look like?

What does a celibate-but-openly-gay person of any religion (or no religion) look like?

Is celibate-but-openly-gay an oxymoron?

23 posted on 07/29/2013 11:03:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Is celibate-but-openly-gay an oxymoron?

Precisely what I was thinking.

24 posted on 07/29/2013 11:05:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Jyotishi

The Pope just split his britches on that one. Nevermind what he privately thinks, the perception of his comment is very damaging.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 11:05:32 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
but it illustrates why a Pope must be very careful

Hmmm ... aeons ago, I was a teacher. One the first things I learned was that no matter how carefully I wrote or said something, no matter how much I tried to resolve possible ambiguities, some joker would find a way to misconstrue it.

26 posted on 07/29/2013 11:05:51 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Jyotishi
What does a celibate-but-openly-gay priest look like?

A guy in handcuffs after he is arrested for abusing young boys.

27 posted on 07/29/2013 11:08:11 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: Cowboy Bob

I don’t think it’s an oxymoron, because the question, “Can heterosexuals be celibate?” is also a valid question.

There are plenty of heterosexuals who have made the personal decision to remain celibate for a higher personal goal.


28 posted on 07/29/2013 11:08:51 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Alex Murphy
What does it say of someone if he wraps up his whole identity in his temptation to commit a particular sin?

(I fumble-fingered that word as "warps" ... corrected it, but the inadvertent typing error had some truth to it.)

29 posted on 07/29/2013 11:09:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Alex Murphy
What does a celibate-but-openly-gay "Orthodox" Presbyterian look like?

A guy in handcuffs after he is arrested for abusing young boys.

30 posted on 07/29/2013 11:11:14 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well, it’s not like the church has ever had any problems with gay priests before...

/sarc


31 posted on 07/29/2013 11:12:11 AM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: 353FMG
There are plenty of heterosexuals who have made the personal decision to remain celibate for a higher personal goal.

The desire, in the abstract, to engage in sexual relations with a person of the opposite sex is not a desire to commit sin. It becomes sinful when the desire is specifically directed toward someone other than one's spouse.

The desire, in the abstract, to engage in genital arousal conduct with a person of the same sex is inherently a desire to commit sin.

Thus the normal person who abstains from sexual relations is giving up one good for what he perceives as a greater good.

The person who abstains from homosexual genital arousal is abstaining from that which is inherently evil.

32 posted on 07/29/2013 11:13:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

As they split hairs and argue technicalities the faithful diminish in numbers and the power of the church to overcome evil loses its voice. Slowly I turn away from them and ignore their words.


33 posted on 07/29/2013 11:18:15 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama does not know how bad he really is.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; All

Hmmm ... aeons ago, I was a teacher. One the first things I learned was that no matter how carefully I wrote or said something, no matter how much I tried to resolve possible ambiguities, some joker would find a way to misconstrue it.

________________________________

As another teacher I can state the same.

And we KNOW the press will always attempt to misconstrue what this Pope says...to suit their own perspective and/or agenda.

It still amazes me how gullible many Americans are.

Sigh...


34 posted on 07/29/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Jyotishi

If that is true, I have just lost my trust of Pope Francis.
What a way to begin His Papacy.
Sad, Sad , Sad..h


35 posted on 07/29/2013 11:22:11 AM PDT by chatham
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To: SumProVita
It still amazes me how gullible many Americans are.

I am convinced that many who accept the distortions and fabrications from Big Media are not gullible ... they deliberately seek evil, and wallow in it when they find it.

36 posted on 07/29/2013 11:24:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jyotishi
The slightest softening by any conservative institution is heralded as a major trophy by the Gaystapo, and these statements made by Francis were out of the park.

I witnessed in horror the Southern Baptist Convention meeting with radical homosexual activists last year at their national convention, and I was disheartened beyond telling. Merely giving them a place at the table was a major victory for the sodomites, even though they didn't get the answer they wanted. They operate by microscopic incrementalism.

37 posted on 07/29/2013 11:30:05 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Unfortunately, THAT segment of our society is growing as well.

;-(


38 posted on 07/29/2013 11:34:44 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; don-o; ArrogantBustard
Nail on the head.

I hope there is a clarification forthcoming from the Vatican. Francis I's choice of words has serious implications when read out of context, which is, of course, how virtually everyone will read them. They will cause much mischief if not quickly qualified.

39 posted on 07/29/2013 11:40:02 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Jyotishi
"Of course, science has long rebutted the notion homosexuality is a “disorder.”

Of course, 'science' has done no such thing.

40 posted on 07/29/2013 11:41:41 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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