Shazaam !!!
Posted on 07/29/2013 12:39:26 PM PDT by Morgana
When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.
Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right and is calling for the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). In a Wall Street Journal op-ed Monday he called the IPAB “essentially a health-care rationing body” that he believes will fail.
“There does have to be control of costs in our health-care system. However, rate setting — the essential mechanism of the IPAB — has a 40-year track record of failure,” Dean wrote.
Dean, who is a healthcare industry representative as a senior adviser at the law and lobbying firm McKenna Long & Aldridge, said his experience as governor of Vermont turned him off to government control of healthcare prices.
“What ends up happening in these schemes (which many states including my home state of Vermont have implemented with virtually no long-term effect on costs) is that patients and physicians get aggravated because bureaucrats in either the private or public sector are making medical decisions without knowing the patients,” Dean wrote.
“By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them,” Dean added. “Most important, once again, these kinds of schemes do not control costs. The medical system simply becomes more bureaucratic.”
There does have to be control of costs in our health-care system, Mr. Dean writes, but rate setting “has a 40-year track record of failure.”
More on Dean’s article:
Dean writes that in order to have a secure future, the country has to move away from fee-for-service medicine, “which is all about incentives to spend more, and has no incentives in the system to keep patients healthy. The IPAB has no possibility of helping to solve this major problem and will almost certainly make the system more bureaucratic and therefore drive up administrative costs.”
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The IPAB was labeled a “death panel” by Republicans in the run-up to the 2010 midterm elections; among its most prominent critics was former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
On the campaign trail last year, Rep. Paul Ryan, the GOP’s vice presidential nominee, said that with the board, Mr. Obama “puts a board of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in charge of Medicare, who are required to cut Medicare in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.”
PolitiFact rated the claim “mostly false,” but Mr. Dean has provided some high-profile bipartisan opposition to the board.
“The IPAB will cause frustration to providers and patients alike, and it will fail to control costs,” Mr. Dean wrote. “When, and if, the atmosphere on Capitol Hill improves and leadership becomes interested again in addressing real problems instead of posturing, getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought to agree on.”
“We have to Pass it to see what’s in it”.
repeal the abortion clauses for the same logic, Howie.
Just sayin’...............
Howard Dean and Sarah Palin in full agreement.
And thus another Sign of the Apocalypse is at hand.
Those with PDS have a bit of crow to eat.
Shazaam !!!
Who has the Sarah Palin ping list? This deserves a ping.
AuschwitzCare, ya think?
The Progressives can easily top that .... they have an excess of 100 year history of failure.
I could have sworn I just read Dean wants the death panels repealed. Yikes the end is near.
Folks....sign the Lee/Cruz “www.don’tfundobamacare” petition!!!
I started watching for Signs of the Apocalypse
right after Neil Diamond’s Christmas Album went platinum.
Jews singing Christmas Carols.
That one is definitely on there.
The whole concept of “death panels” is INTEGRAL to the “Obamacare” plan, as the ultimate cost containment strategy. When the system has become so strapped for ready cash that a substantial number of the clients may find themselves on a waiting list for YEARS before treatment is available, the “death panel” kicks into high gear, and the backlog is quickly cleared. That leaves a little latitude for the more “deserving” enrollees in the plan to be moved up quite a bit on the waiting list, maybe even to the front of the line, if it is a sufficiently important client.
Dean is opposed to IPAB on medical grounds.
The question I have is, is he for it on the grounds that it was intended? That is, is he for it on the grounds that it moves towards nationalizing the health care industry, entrenches ‘Rat power, doles out billions to ‘Rat supporting groups, unions, and the like? Does he support it on grounds that it furthers the destruction of the republic and the Constitution?
I agree.
http://www.dontfundobamacare.com
And call your Congress Critters. Phone numbers are available at the site of the petition.
Oh well no problem there, Howie, just ask the GOP to get right on that for you.
John Boner said to judge them not on what they pass but on what they repeal, and as we all know, if the GOP does anything at all, it’s repeal, repeal, repeal...
I ain’t a getting on the train. They can just shoot me and get it over with.
"Havah Negila" don't sell in Tulsa, boychik.
Come to of it, Jews wrote some of those carols!
Wait, what..how can this be..we were told for years that Sarah Palin was insane, an idiot, a whack job for saying such a thing..and it turns out she was RIGHT all along..I will wait patiently for the media to apologize to her..yeah yeah I know, its never gonna happen
Sarah was right.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...
Although I’m not seeing it mentioned here Howard Dean is a doctor. Unlike Jill Biden, Ph. D., it seems he doesn’t insist on being called Dr. Which is good, but it might be appropriate to mention it here.
Well, he may be wrong on everything else, but he sure is right about the death panels.
And he’s one of the rare democrat examples of media destruction as that whole “yeaaaaaargh” thing was blown way out of proportion. I guess the establishment thought he was doing too good, so he had to be destroyed.
Bo Deddle(sp) was on the radio this morning and mentioned that one of his relatives recently had a heart problem. He was told that it will be 3 months before he can be scheduled for the necessary test to determine further treatment
That darn truth again.
It was neither nut-job nor conspiracy.
Must go shop for more tin-foil (really, running out after lunch today).
Remember when that lady asked obama about her elderly mom?
It’s worth noting that he didn’t tell her that her mom should get a pain reliever, he didn’t tell her she should take a pain pill.
He told he she needed a pain KILLER...
She has a D.Ed.Jill does not have Ph.D.
Based on my experience, a strongly and clearly written letter to Senators Boxer and Feinstein against a piece of statist promoting legislation will earn a response letter thanking you for your support of said legislation.
A distinction without a difference.
The panels HAVE TO EXIST in any socialist healthcare system.
Someone has to determine who gets treatment and who doesn’t.
That can be the patient & doctor, the insurance company, or some panel of gov’t bureaucrats.
I have a hard time listening to someone whose sitting in a chair and his feet don’t touch the floor.
Kudos for your attempt anyway (I understand what your are working against)!
Sign the petition:
http://www.dontfundobamacare.com
(PS I’ve actually had a very different response than yours. Though it was several years ago, it demonstrated that one letter CAN make a positive difference.)
WELL, THAT SETTLES THA...
Hold it, PolitiFact!?
Superficially clever but ignorant.
The Independent Payment Advisory Board goes beyond mere rate setting, but will prescribe what treatments doctors may give or not give patients based on “government studies”. These “government studies” claim that annual mammograms for women over 50 are “not cost effective” despite recommendations by cancer treatment experts. The little girl who would have been denied a lung transplant merely because of her age is another example of how these death panels will work.
Done
The panels are unavoidable if the government is paying the bill. Otherwise a doctor would just take an xray of you and charge the government 1 trillion dollars for it.
The free market and the free market alone works to contain costs, government ALWAYS fails.
The list, Ping
Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list
So to the democRATs/progressives/Marxists/liberals (sorry for the redundancy), that got this abortion passed, ESAD.
Now back to your regular programming...
Shout out to the NSA: go reproduce asexually.
5.56mm
Haven't read through all the posts to see if this point was already made, but what Dean doesn't consider is the incentive of the patients. In a health care system in which individual patients share some degree of financial risk for not taking care of their own health, there is an incentive for more healthy behaviors. If patients share some financial burden for resources used, they will be motivated to avoid having to use those resources.
If, on the other hand, everything is ‘free’, and provided by the government (i.e. our taxes), there is no incentive to do anything other than show up when you're sick.
Of course she is.
Good one ExTexas
and the Howard Dean scream seems appropriate here.
Jill [Biden] has a D.Ed.”
Oy, it’s worse than I thought.
Thanks for the correction. I’ll be sure to reference her credentials properly henceforth and in perpetuity.
Geesh....this isn't even a wild stab.....this is INEVITABLE!!!
To all you STUPID people that voted for Obama......you will be alive a LOT LONGER than we will, but your LIFE WILL SUCK!!!
Death-we-don’t-care ..................................................................... FRegards
Thanks Morgana.
Still, he unwittingly finds himself squarely in the free market argument, simply based on the logic of medical ethics.
I suspect he'd go into instant spin mode if found out.
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