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Krauthammer: Effort to defund Obamacare ‘really dumb’
Daily Caller ^ | 12:14 AM 07/27/2013 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 07/29/2013 2:08:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai

On Friday’s “Special Report,” Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer went against the conventional wisdom of some in the conservative movement by arguing efforts to defund President Barack Obama’s 2010 health care legislation at the expense of shutting down the federal government was “really dumb.”

“Never issue a threat you’re not prepared to in the end honor and deliver on,” Krauthammer said. “And if the Republicans imagine they’re going to either stop the funding of the government or refuse the raising of the debt ceiling, they’re out of their minds. It would be a catastrophe in the end. All the president has to do is wait and they’re going to cave.” …

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; defund; krauthammer; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 07/29/2013 2:08:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Same back at cha you rat in pubbie clothing. kraut... you might as well apply for a job at mslsd... you are a progressive and you always have been. YOU wrote speeches ripping Reagan and you voted for carter and mondull so p*** off schmucky!


2 posted on 07/29/2013 2:10:37 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Olog-hai
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3 posted on 07/29/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: LibLieSlayer

My sentiments precisely!


4 posted on 07/29/2013 2:13:02 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Olog-hai
Well THAT'S it I’m against defunding now that Charlie K is against it. UGH this guy is a moron and one of the reasons I don’t watch Fox anymore. Who told this Shiite head he is some kind of expert?
5 posted on 07/29/2013 2:14:13 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

They should also repeal the individual and employer mandates


6 posted on 07/29/2013 2:14:41 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai

Actually I think he’s right. Republican’s are gutless when it comes to this sort of thing. They’ll never follow through with shutting down the government and if they do the Dems will make them look like the bad guys.


7 posted on 07/29/2013 2:16:13 PM PDT by slumber1 (My real name is Rusty Shackleford)
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps he could point out some of the really smart ideas that have occurred in DC ?


8 posted on 07/29/2013 2:18:10 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: slumber1

Conservatives are not gutless. RINOs, though, will collude while making themselves seem “gutless” so long as it serves the radical agenda.


9 posted on 07/29/2013 2:18:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL
They should also repeal the individual and employer mandates

If I'm not mistaken, that's already been done -- and sent to the Senate. Where, of course, it will die.

10 posted on 07/29/2013 2:19:20 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: slumber1
if they do the Dems will make them look like the bad guys

Conservatives SO SO SO don't want to even LOOK like bad guys, while bad guys like Weiner & Spitzer do and they keep running & winning, retiring and rerunning. What does that tell us?

Maybe conservatives should be the good bad guys for a change.

11 posted on 07/29/2013 2:21:13 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: sauropod

Excellent!

LLS


12 posted on 07/29/2013 2:23:11 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Olog-hai

They will cave, and thus, he is 100% correct.


13 posted on 07/29/2013 2:23:26 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Olog-hai

Stop the trainwreck http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/


14 posted on 07/29/2013 2:24:11 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Olog-hai

I used to think Charles was a stand-up guy. But he’s not — he’s just a Liberal.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 2:24:17 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: jmaroneps37

That would be jabba the ailes and rupert the red.

LLS


16 posted on 07/29/2013 2:24:17 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Olog-hai
“Never issue a threat you’re not prepared to in the end honor and deliver on,” Krauthammer said. “And if the Republicans imagine they’re going to either stop the funding of the government or refuse the raising of the debt ceiling, they’re out of their minds. It would be a catastrophe in the end. All the president has to do is wait and they’re going to cave.” …

Giving the devil his due, Krauthammer is right about this.

If the Republicans aren't prepared to fight to the death on this issue, there's no point in pursuing it -- if, in the end, they're going to cave.

On the other hand, this could be a hill worth dying for. Defund Obamacare, force the Democrat Senate to defend the hugely unpopular program. Conceivably, in a fight to the finish, there just might be enough Democrats who are afraid of Obamacare to win the day.

Then, this would force Obama to veto the measure. If the GOP stood strong, would the voters -- who hate Obamacare -- support the Congress...or Obama?

But the whole scenario depends upon the Republican House leadership to have balls of stainless steel. When they obviously don't have the stomach for doing anything difficult...

17 posted on 07/29/2013 2:27:14 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: LibLieSlayer
“Never issue a threat you’re not prepared to in the end honor and deliver on,” Krauthammer said.
“And if the Republicans imagine they’re going to either stop the funding of the government or refuse the raising of the debt ceiling, they’re out of their minds.
It would be a catastrophe in the end. All the president has to do is wait and they’re going to cave.”

Definitely a lib. Working against us. /s

18 posted on 07/29/2013 2:27:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: okie01

Which is why the GOP is worthless to conservatives. They pass worthless bills that will never make it anywhere. When they actually can do something, they don’t.


19 posted on 07/29/2013 2:27:45 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Olog-hai

Compared to what we’ve got, catastrophe doesn’t sound all that bad


20 posted on 07/29/2013 2:31:14 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: LibLieSlayer

Well wait a minute. Is CK saying it is dumb because they’ll never do it, or is he saying it is dumb because Obamacare ought to be funded?

There is a difference.


21 posted on 07/29/2013 2:32:37 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: LibLieSlayer

My first reaction is to agree with you. But there are some problems here. I’m having a hard time finding fault with his arguments.

1. Never make a threat you won’t enforce. (The gambit will fail, as GOPe wussies will fold).

2. You can do a lot of things when you only hold the House, but governing is not one of them. (Correct, you can’t ram through legislation or write executive orders with only the House in your corner.)

I notice all the attackers of K are attacking him, not the argument. That is telling also. I don’t need to hear about him, I know all about him. I need to hear why his points above are wrong, specifically. Let’s see if I do.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 2:33:08 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Olog-hai

don’t know the guy from adam, but i’m guessing he’s a libertarian republican.


23 posted on 07/29/2013 2:34:17 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Olog-hai
"All the president has to do is wait and they’re going to cave.”

I cannot believe how weak and cowardly my former political party has become.
/facepalm

The Republcians can't risk shutting down the government because even though everybody who gets up and goes to work every day to support themselves and their families never really notice it when the government is "shut down", the massive Democrat party base of moochers would soon find their snouts hitting the dry bottom of the public trough, and Republicans can't let that happen because then they will never get their votes...

Wait.
What?

24 posted on 07/29/2013 2:37:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Olog-hai

Ah Shut up, Chuck, you spineless jellyfish.

Yeah, I went there.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 2:38:57 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Olog-hai

Relying Democrats who voted for McGovern, Carter, Mondale and Dukakis for advice: Really dumb.


26 posted on 07/29/2013 2:39:09 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Olog-hai
Why does anyone listen to what this elite pig has to say?Remember the moron worked in the carter admin. so that should speak volumes.
27 posted on 07/29/2013 2:40:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Olog-hai

Krauthammer will do ANYTHING for Romney ;
even impose RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE for his beloved Willard.


28 posted on 07/29/2013 2:41:18 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: jmaroneps37

An expert is a has been and a drip under pressure.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 2:42:31 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
You can do a lot of things when you only hold the House, but governing is not one of them.

The truth of the matter is you hold all the cards if you hold the House. The Dems knew that, and even when Republicans got the Presidency, and even when they got the Senate for a few years in the 80s, everyone knew that the Dems were still in charge of spending. It's why Reagan had to go along with their budgets, and could not get rid of Dept. of Education and Energy. If you control the House, and you have a spine, and are willing to stick to your principles, no one can do anything without your approval. You can bring the government to a grinding halt, and you can withhold money to anyone and everyone, judges, Presidents, states, welfare recipients, islamic enemies in Egypt, everyone. You just have to be able to say NO, and then not care when the Washington Post calls you all kinds of names. We might have 3 or 4 Republicans in DC total who have that kind of gumption. But if the situation were reversed, Dems would do it in a heartbeat, and they do have the gumption, all of them.

I truly am sick of the Republican party. It can't die soon enough.

30 posted on 07/29/2013 2:45:31 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Olog-hai

Republicans are not behind this. Lee and Cruz are. Big difference. They will continue to shock and awe as they take their promise to defend the constitution literally. Things might look strange four a bit and then these gentlemen will begin to appear normal, while the abject weakness of all of Washington will begin to appear as sick as it truly is


31 posted on 07/29/2013 2:45:51 PM PDT by stanne
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

So, you think Republicans will shut down the government?

How many times do you have to get hit in the face with a 2X4 before you learn something, no offense?

The tea party guys who were elected to fight Obamacare can fall on their swords if they want, I respect that option for them. But explain how this pipedream of negotiating a defunding of Obamacare in order to raise the debt ceiling takes place, because I can’t see it happening.

We’re talking about the GOPe here, the tiny minority conservatives in the party can’t get anything done. They are a minority of a minority party.


32 posted on 07/29/2013 2:48:01 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Olog-hai
“Never issue a threat you’re not prepared to in the end honor and deliver on..”

Yes,he's correct to say that.But having worked in US healthcare for 20 years and having done a good deal of research on CanadaCare (which Osama Obama is on record as having as his ultimate goal for the US) I can assure everyone that OsamaObamaCare,if fully implemented,will result in a catastrophe of unimagined proportions.

33 posted on 07/29/2013 2:49:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: Defiant

I left the R party in ‘07, so I agree with you on their needed demise.

“If you control the House, and you have a spine, and are willing to stick to your principles, no one can do anything without your approval. You can bring the government to a grinding halt...”

1. I submit that R’s control the House but DON’T have a spine, so the argument is moot.

2. What you describe above is the proper function of a loyal opposition. What I wrote was “govern”. Those are two differnt things.

But these are quibbles. We agree on outcomes, and are just arguing strategy.


34 posted on 07/29/2013 2:52:04 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: stanne
We need to come up with a party name for Cruz and Lee...and maybe Rand, to distinguish them from the regular/RINO/Establishment Republicans.

They're more like New Republicans or Free Republicans!

35 posted on 07/29/2013 2:52:51 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I can assure everyone that OsamaObamaCare,if fully implemented,will result in a catastrophe of unimagined proportions.”

Interesting. And unfortunate. Most of us only learn things the hard way. Though I think Obamacare falls apart before it can be completely implemented.

Going to be a mess either way. I feel for those working in the industry as well as the consumers of the service.


36 posted on 07/29/2013 2:54:27 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I don’t disagree with you.The conservatives have a plan to defund it but the demorat light under mcconnel and that drunk boener(?) want that shit.Those people in DC are the enemy of freedom loving Americans.I just don’t care what Krauthammer has to say.


37 posted on 07/29/2013 2:55:23 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Olog-hai

Dr Krauthammer is correct. The GOP will cave faster than the woman in Paradise By The Dashhboard Light.


38 posted on 07/29/2013 2:55:58 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Jane Long

“We need to come up with a party name for Cruz and Lee...and maybe Rand, to distinguish them from the regular/RINO/Establishment Republicans.”

The dreadful thing about your otherwise fine post is that you can name so few actual people in it. Conservatives are severely under-represented in America, even though our numbers are overestimated in my opinion.


39 posted on 07/29/2013 2:57:56 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Fair enough.


40 posted on 07/29/2013 2:58:54 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Olog-hai
As I read it he's merely saying that the congressional GOP does not have the balls to follow through, so they should not make idle threats and make themselves look foolish when they back down.

What exactly is incorrect in that analysis?

41 posted on 07/29/2013 3:00:12 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Jane Long

Free Republicans!
I like it.


42 posted on 07/29/2013 3:01:46 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: Olog-hai
Guys, it's all tactical. It's about means, rather than ends.

Krauthammer probably shouldn't have said "stupid," but disowning people over tactical disputes is kind of silly.

43 posted on 07/29/2013 3:02:27 PM PDT by x
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To: dadfly

[[[don’t know the guy from adam, but i’m guessing he’s a libertarian republican.]]]

Krauthammer is a social liberal, but he cleverly uses conservative lingo. He’s on the as record pro-choice, but passionately denouncing Roe v. Wade. Not because he’s really pro-life, but because he thinks the states should decide rather than the Supreme Court. Which is pro-choice because most states go that way.

Same for homosexual marriage. He’s for it, but thinks the states should decide. Which means — as the Supreme Court recently informed us — that the gay states will impose their marriages on traditional marriage states.

Krauthammer makes all these nice little distinctions, but in the end, he’s a social liberal. He strongly supported the decadent adulterer Giuliani in the 2008 presidential race. He told social conservatives to “grow up” and support Giuliani.


44 posted on 07/29/2013 3:07:27 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: dadfly

don’t know the guy from adam, but i’m guessing he’s a libertarian republican.]]]

Let me try this again — this time not so garbled!

As you suggest, Krauthammer is a social liberal, but he cleverly uses conservative lingo. He’s on the record as pro-choice, but passionately denounced Roe v. Wade. Not because he’s really pro-life, but because he thinks the states should decide rather than the Supreme Court. Which is the same as pro-choice because most states are.

Same for homosexual marriage. He’s for it, but thinks the states should decide. Which means — as the Supreme Court recently informed us — that the gay states will impose their marriages on traditional marriage states.

Krauthammer makes all these nice little distinctions, but in the end, he’s a social liberal. He strongly supported the decadent adulterer Giuliani in the 2008 presidential race. He told social conservatives to “grow up” and support Giuliani.


45 posted on 07/29/2013 3:10:51 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Olog-hai
Are people here even reading his whole argument? He's not saying that Obamacare is the idea of a lifetime. He's pointing out tactics and the huge problems of the Republicans threatening several motions, then failing to follow through in any of them. We've seen this time and time again, then when someone like this guy points out our political flaws and failings, people start jumping on him. Face it, he's right, as we don't have the guts to go through with the threats that we're making.
46 posted on 07/29/2013 3:14:33 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: dead

The real intent. Making a show of conservatism while holding liberal crossed fingers behind one’s back, i.e. on the part of House GOP-e congressmembers. If we don’t recognize that show for what it is, then we really are asleep.


47 posted on 07/29/2013 3:16:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: aegiscg47

His argument is using the presumption that all members of the GOP are conservative and are merely cowardly in the face of the leftist agenda. It’s not the case—the GOP-e are fully complicit in that agenda.


48 posted on 07/29/2013 3:17:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Lancey Howard
I cannot believe how weak and cowardly my former political party has become. /facepalm

Become? Please enlighten me on the time period in modern history that the GOP has been tough and aggressive?

It certainly wasn't the 50 years the Democrats ran the House, where Republicans led by the likes of Bob Michel played nice ALL the time. Other than Reagan, former Republican Presidents Ike, Nixon and Ford may as well have been Democrats. Heck we got price controls, the EPA, etc out of Nixon. The Bush's? Please. Jr. gave us a whole new entitlement and spending most Democrats would be proud of - and this with a GOP congress most of the time.

This is about as tough as the GOP has ever been in our lifetimes.

The bottom line is the GOP WILL cave on this in the end. Obama will almost certainly win a government shutdown, and therefore Kraut is probably right. I'm fine with making a fight out of this, but it isn't hard to see how it will likely play out.

49 posted on 07/29/2013 3:23:10 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Olog-hai

Yawn.............

They will go to the cliff, the MSM will say women and children hardest hit, Obama will act tough, Boehner will get a minor concession and the media will call him courageous.

Obama will be the grand bargainer and in the end, the debt ceiling will go up, Obamacare will be funded and the next day someone will say, “ look, squirrel” and everyone will forget about it for another year.


50 posted on 07/29/2013 3:29:43 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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