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Christie swings back at “Washington politician” Rand Paul: It’s your state vacuuming up tax dollars
Hotair ^ | 07/30/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 07/30/2013 12:53:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Rand Paul needled him last night on Hannity’s show for taking a “gimme, gimme, gimme” attitude towards federal spending on Sandy relief. Here’s Christie needling him back by accusing Paul and his home state of Kentucky of being a couple of deadbeats:

“I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’ attitude towards federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington,” Christie said. “And interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington. So if Sen. Paul wants to start looking at where he’s going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky…”

David Frum made a similar point this morning before Christie spoke. If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer. Christie, who accepted a temporary (but not permanent) expansion of Medicaid under ObamaCare, ain’t the guy to be attacking Paul on spending, but that’s the point here: He’s trying to inoculate himself from the damaging big-spender charge in the 2016 primaries by arguing that even libertarians like their tax money. The kicker is his dismissal of Paul as a “Washington politician,” which is … not the way most people think of Rand. But that’s strategic too. The rap on Christie two years from now will be that he’s the champion of the Republican establishment (which is true). This is him trying to muddy those perceptions by arguing that even the famously anti-establishment tea-party senator is really just a big ol’ Beltway parasite at heart.

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates. We need these debates. In fact, one X factor with Christie is whether his willingness to throw punches at grassroots heroes will end up helping him or hurting him with the centrists he’s targeting in the primaries. I agree with Dan McLaughlin that the real winners in this brawl are Rubio, Cruz, and Walker because space is being cleared in the center-right between Christie and Paul for one (or more) of them, but who knows? (Here’s a smart counter-take.) An “angry RINO” charging at rivals on the right would be a novel thing for a GOP primary; normally the RINO is a hapless figure like Romney who tolerates being dumped on by grassroots righties because he knows he needs conservatives in the general election and doesn’t want to alienate them by firing back. Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that, if so, but either way, these primaries will be dynamite.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: chrischristie; kentucky; newjersey; nj; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; thekycandidate

1 posted on 07/30/2013 12:53:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
“I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’ attitude towards federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington,”

This is how the coastal libs try to buy off the heartland. Hey guys, cut down the amounts altogether and also ditch the regs and unfunded mandates, and EVERYBODY can win.

By the way, this is an example of Christie arguing like a Democrat.
2 posted on 07/30/2013 12:56:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the United States, Fatboy! Where did you spend the money?


3 posted on 07/30/2013 12:59:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m guessing that Ft Campbell (101st Air Assault Division) and Ft Knox (home of the Army’s Armor School - now at Ft Benning GA - for a good number of the years in question) played a little bit of a role in the disparity.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 1:01:01 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats LOVE democracy.. a.k.a banana republic..
Republicans LOVE “the Republic”..

The US Constitution has NOWHERE in it the words democracy or democratic..
AND thats WHY? it must be abridged....... i.e. abrogated..
(made toilet paper out of)..


5 posted on 07/30/2013 1:05:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind
I haven't got time to do it but...

Re photoshop job of McCain's face on a rhino's body (which is a really good job of it I must say):

Maybe somebody should put a rhino's head on Christie's body. Everybody would know who it is.

6 posted on 07/30/2013 1:07:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: hosepipe

Democrats only love democracy when they win. When they lose, the imperial courts are used to overturn the will of the people.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 1:07:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SeekAndFind

Caution: GasBag discharging.


8 posted on 07/30/2013 1:09:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Dr. Sivana; SeekAndFind

What someone’s state does is entirely out of the hands of a single politician. The measure is what that politician requests in the way of federal funding or vehemently supports in the way of federal funding.

Paul is right. Christie has been licking the drippings from the federal gravy train, and in fact, his obeisance over it to Obama at a pivotal point in the last election became a major talking point for the liberals.

Paul, on the other hand, has not been pushing the gravy train by way of bills OR earmarks for his state of Kentucky.

One last word, if I were Christie, I wouldn’t be crowing loudly about my state getting taken to the cleaners by the Fed, getting back only 61 cents on the dollar. The Fed is taking NJ’s money, and NJ doesn’t seem competent to get most of it back.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Californians complain that they send more money to D.C. than they get back and that they have to raise State taxes to make ends meet. I tell them that if they quit voting for a central gov’t that confiscates money from citizens to pay for things that are not constitutional for the Federal gov’t to spend on, Californians could keep more of their money in their State.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 1:14:30 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Good point.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 1:16:50 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Christie receives huge donations from the neo consrvatives. Rand Paul is the leader of the neoisolationist movement in the US which is gaining traction among hard pressed Americans who wonder if the extensive and bloody foreign entanglements really benefit the United States. Christie won’t be the only attacker Senator Paul will confront if he decides to run for President.


12 posted on 07/30/2013 1:16:58 PM PDT by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Paul governor of Kentucky? What’s he talking about? Apple and Oranges, typical liberal insane dichotomized reply.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 1:19:05 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: SeekAndFind
"And I only vacuum up cheeseburgers!"


14 posted on 07/30/2013 1:19:25 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope that this fight will shed some light on Christie’s real policies.

My understanding is that while he did reduce state pension obligations, he really has pushed the financing of state debt off into the future when he will be out of office. Exactly what he criticized the dems for.

I believe the plan is to delay certain costs by gimmicks such as selling toll highways, but there is no sign of that happening.

Also I know Christie has empowered corrupt South Jersey Dems in order to split the dem party. It’s good for him, but it has allowed democrat power and money grabs to go unchecked.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 1:22:52 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: tanknetter

Exactly. They always just say that red states receive x amount..they never explain where that money goes.


16 posted on 07/30/2013 1:22:56 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: SeekAndFind
Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president.

I think it's pretty evident that both men are.

17 posted on 07/30/2013 1:25:28 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JudgemAll

RE: Is Paul governor of Kentucky?

Not defending Christie, but I think his point is that as SENATOR, Paul helps writes or pass the laws that determine which states gets Federal money, not Christie, who does not write Federal laws.

In this sense, Christie is telling Rand Paul -— Hey, you’re writing laws that in effect, take money from states like NJ to benefit Kentucky (even when Kentucky never experienced a devastating hurricane), so quit whining about NJ when she gets Federal aid for Sandy.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 1:25:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: stephenjohnbanker
New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the United States, Fatboy! Where did you spend the money?

Your comment plays into the Fat Boy's arguement: If NJ has the highest property taxes in the Country, then its only because the inside-the-beltway politicians like Rand Paul take more money from New Jersey, than they give back.

19 posted on 07/30/2013 1:28:17 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: All

Here’s my problem with Christie:

He cozies up to Obama for personal selfish reasons - to win re-election in NJ. In doing so he props up a socialist and helps him win a second term.

So Christie is selfish and could care less about any other Republican. two strikes


20 posted on 07/30/2013 1:28:43 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I'm just going to post this image every time there is a Krispe Kreme article to show my utter contempt


21 posted on 07/30/2013 1:28:55 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: tanknetter

Exactly. They always just say that red states receive x amount..they never explain where that money goes.


22 posted on 07/30/2013 1:29:01 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I wonder how they can figure out which states benefit the most from deficit spending and bailouts. New Jersey must be making a killing.


23 posted on 07/30/2013 1:29:08 PM PDT by o2bfree (Lindsey Graham is left of South Carolina.)
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To: Labyrinthos

” Your comment plays into the Fat Boy’s arguement: “

Not at all! Look at the salaries of NJ state employees, and the percentage on permanent disability.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 1:33:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: Labyrinthos

Totally detest Christie, but RP opened the door on his nose with this one.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 1:33:54 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: SeekAndFind
Christie swings back at “Washington politician” Rand Paul

Did the fat northeastern bastard have to sit down and rest afterward?

26 posted on 07/30/2013 1:34:50 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: o2bfree

Guaranteed.


27 posted on 07/30/2013 1:35:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: o2bfree

28 posted on 07/30/2013 1:35:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Dr. Sivana
cut down the amounts altogether and also ditch the regs and unfunded mandates, and EVERYBODY can win

Exactly. Gov't at all levels spend tons of money on stuff because it gets paid for elsewhere.

29 posted on 07/30/2013 1:37:03 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: o2bfree

30 posted on 07/30/2013 1:37:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Christie’s problem is he is buying into the McCain/Romney syndrome. “Hey the media loves me” will only work until the nomination. Then he will be labeled a neocon to Hillary’s mainstream and we are back to 2008.

I think the RNC finally gets it. Nominate RINOS and they lose the Conservative vote which means the election. Which now explains why they are sucking up to the illegals.


31 posted on 07/30/2013 1:44:07 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone please paint “Goodyear” on Christie’s a$$ and send him up.


32 posted on 07/30/2013 1:44:09 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: SeekAndFind

These are great. Thank you!


33 posted on 07/30/2013 1:51:42 PM PDT by o2bfree (Lindsey Graham is left of South Carolina.)
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To: VideoDoctor

That would be great! Walk up to him, shake his hand and slap a Goodyear sticker on his back.


34 posted on 07/30/2013 1:52:17 PM PDT by scripter
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To: o2bfree

From the map in Post #30, It looks like Alaska and New Mexico gets the HIGHEST Federal Tax Dollars, with NM getting TWICE more than they pay.

I bet it’s because they have the highest number of FEDERAL EMPLOYEES and FEDERALLY OWNED LAND.


35 posted on 07/30/2013 1:53:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Fat Boy’s response: “Yes, and if the federal gov’t took less from New Jersey taxpayers, then we could keep these high paid do nothings without having to raise taxes.”


36 posted on 07/30/2013 1:58:36 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Yeah : )


37 posted on 07/30/2013 2:01:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: dsrtsage

LOL! Good One!!


38 posted on 07/30/2013 2:01:40 PM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: tanknetter
Yes, it does. Defense installations play an even larger role in small population states. A more accurate method of measurement is to remove non defense spending.

Better yet, concentrate only on transfer payment spending. However, even transfer payments such as social security are full of inaccuracies since a lot of retirees flee high tax states like California and head to low tax states like Arizona.

But transfer payments alone are still a far more accurate measure than lumping everything together without accounting for the disparate spending in things like defense, National Parks and Forest, Federal prisons and even the Interstate Highway System which has national benefits.

39 posted on 07/30/2013 2:07:20 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Carry_Okie
Maybe somebody should put a rhino's head on Christie's body . . .

Have you ever seen a real RINO that big?

40 posted on 07/30/2013 2:08:23 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Christie bested Paul on this point.


41 posted on 07/30/2013 2:29:55 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Chris!

N.J. scammed $60 BILLION of taxpayer money for $10 Billion in actual damages.

Go ahead!

Prove me wrong!


42 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:29 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Vigilanteman
Have you ever seen a real RINO that big?

Certainly, and larger, but I haven't seen one that carries as much political weight.

43 posted on 07/30/2013 3:21:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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44 posted on 07/30/2013 5:40:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind
.......Chris Christy SUCKS........

45 posted on 07/30/2013 6:23:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Dr. Sivana
More liberal Christie-spew. They don't call New Jersey the "Superfund State" for nothing.
46 posted on 07/30/2013 6:25:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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