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Obama doubles down on low-ball Keystone jobs claim despite fact-check criticism
FoxNews.com ^ | July 30, 2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 07/30/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by topher

President Obama doubled down Tuesday on his claim that the Keystone XL oil pipeline would create just a handful of jobs, despite being hammered by Republicans and fact-checkers alike for the claim.

The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.

"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.

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TOPICS: Canada; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carbontax; energy; kenyanbornmuzzie; keystone; obama; opec; pipeline; unions
Now if it were a plan to build 50 wind machines in Oregon or California, then Obama would call that a jobs plan... /s
1 posted on 07/30/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
You can't negotiate with a congenital liar.
2 posted on 07/30/2013 2:09:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: topher

He actually wants the country to go green or go belly up. It’s not going green so...


3 posted on 07/30/2013 2:10:01 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

...or a blithering idiot.............


4 posted on 07/30/2013 2:10:11 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: topher

Those lowball claims are nothing. A couple of days ago Fox had a panel with its obligatory leftist on. She smilingly repeated the “Democrats have cut $4 trillion from the budget, and there’s more to go” meme. Now that’s a really BIG lie.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 2:11:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: topher
he challenged Republicans to come up with

I wish there was one Republican who would stand up and say "Alright, then , stop killing jobs, Mr. President!" Back off and let the economy breathe!

6 posted on 07/30/2013 2:11:33 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: topher
There is one estimate of 250,000 permanent jobs from this project.

Who do you believe the president's 50 jobs or even if 250,000 is too rosy, just 10% of that is 25,000.

Quite a difference.

7 posted on 07/30/2013 2:11:41 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: luvbach1

... because he is moving back to Kenya in 2016...


8 posted on 07/30/2013 2:12:14 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: thackney
You have got to have a good source on this... [Number of jobs created]

No small task to build and maintain pipelines...

9 posted on 07/30/2013 2:13:49 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
There is one estimate of 250,000 permanent jobs from this project.

After a couple decades of being around pipelines, the president's number would be closer to reality than that one. Where did it come from?

10 posted on 07/30/2013 2:14:58 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: luvbach1

Bama couldn’t care less if the country goes green, belly up is his goal. And the only thing Bama doubles or any other down on is Reggie.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 2:16:00 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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12 posted on 07/30/2013 2:18:28 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: topher

He’s obviously confusing Keystone with the Porkulus...


13 posted on 07/30/2013 2:21:16 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: topher

The Pipeline company could publish all their jobs related figures. They have plenty.

Each construction contractor has projected staffing curves, by discipline and by month.

They could easily and fully refute Obama.

But as much as they would like to, they also need approvals, and unlike politicians, business people are pragmatists.

They want the approvals more than they want to embarrass Obama.

So feed the facts to Obama, with the implicit threat of going public if approvals aren’t coming.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 2:22:25 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: topher

If any reporter anywhere had any balls he would have asked how many permanent jobs were created by the following failed projects of his administration:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


15 posted on 07/30/2013 2:23:20 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: topher
Obie is preparing the ground for turning down the pipeline.

Americans should brace for higher energy costs and fewer jobs. Canadians should get busy building the Northern Gateway to Kitimat to service the Chinese market. Also, get busy building a pipeline to the east coast.

16 posted on 07/30/2013 2:23:32 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: topher

And all his government make work programs created just how many permanent jobs? Ask the people in North Dakota how many jobs were created by their oil boom?


17 posted on 07/30/2013 2:24:29 PM PDT by The Great RJ (construction)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Obie is preparing the ground for turning down the pipeline.

He may have lied just to bolster his crooked 2012 campaign.

18 posted on 07/30/2013 2:29:52 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: topher

Building pipelines take a whole lot more people, for a much shorter time frame, than operation and maintenance.

~4,000 jobs for the two years of construction. Then after that:

There will be 25 new pump stations, 18 of those in the US. Plus an expansion of the existing pump station in Steele City, Nebraska. Then there is 852 miles of addition pipe in the US. It is hard for me to imagine less than 100 permanent, direct jobs and more than double that for average contract and temporary jobs over the next couple decades. That is the low end, could be double or so.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 2:31:09 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: truth_seeker
The Pipeline company could publish all their jobs related figures.

Jobs & Economic Benefits
Putting skilled Americans to work
http://keystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/#sthash.Hqi5QgMy.dpuf

20 posted on 07/30/2013 2:33:19 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher

When we all have lower energy prices, the leftover money is spent on say travel, entertainment, investment etc. That’s where the jobs are.


21 posted on 07/30/2013 2:35:25 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: thackney
Washington Post had estimates, but they were all over the place.

I knew that you have some facts to back up what you said (number of stations, etc).

Thanks...

22 posted on 07/30/2013 2:53:05 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
Take your jobs plan and shove it, Mr. President: Your policies have harmed Chattanooga enough
23 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:21 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: topher

The press won’t challenge him so he can say anything he wants. In fact, they’ll repeat it and the idiot liberals will believe it.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: topher

http://keystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/


25 posted on 07/30/2013 3:22:52 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: topher

that is 50 more jobs than sylendra created.


26 posted on 07/30/2013 3:49:55 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: topher

To this squatter, his vacations are bigger “jobs plans”.

Someone needs to confront this B*S**** immediately when he spews these things...


27 posted on 07/30/2013 4:16:29 PM PDT by mikrofon (STFUBO)
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To: topher

What’s really weird, is that he is doing it for some of the most influential oil business constituents in some states (their associates pretending to be greenies, as so many in other lines of business do). They use the government against potential competition and have been doing so for decades. No competition allowed. Thing is, we’re going to need all of the oil we can get into the USA for refining in the future.


28 posted on 07/30/2013 4:39:01 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon in the movie, "Waterworld")
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To: topher

Hey, obie, what about the “reduce dependence on foreign (read Middle East) oil” lie you like to tell?


29 posted on 07/30/2013 4:39:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: familyop
Yes, like the Queen of England's two oil companies:

(1) Shell Oil Company

(2) British Petroleum

I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company... Ironically, not as big a stake in British Petroleum...

30 posted on 07/30/2013 5:41:20 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

I could be low by half. I was trying to make a guess at bare minimum added on to an existing system. But most of this is separated by many miles from the other line.


31 posted on 07/30/2013 6:48:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher
I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company

No. No one has controlling interest. 5% maybe up to 7% now is the largest single block of ownership.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/uk-shell-qatar-idUKBRE88610H20120907

32 posted on 07/30/2013 7:04:57 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: luvbach1

“He actually wants the country to go green or go belly up”

Those two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, going green will lead to going belly up if it were even really possible to go green.


33 posted on 07/30/2013 7:42:22 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Is there a source for that list that includes a summary of each one?


34 posted on 07/31/2013 5:08:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: topher

My first number is way too low after thinking more about it. I was thinking of a normal day shift only crew. I think every station would have 2 people 24/7 as a minimum operations and response crew. Add two more for station maintenance and two more for pipeline maintenance between each station and you have the hours for 216 people as a bare minimum. Over the couple decades following construction of the pipeline I think you would average at least twice that for support, upgrades, etc. I’ve seen a lot of work done over the years on existing stations. I’ve been one of them many times.

So on the low end, at least 500 people after construction is done, on average. That doesn’t include all the non-direct hires like buying supplies, repair parts, etc. You cannot run hundreds of thousands of hp in pumps non-stop and think they and the associated equipment doesn’t need operations and maintenance for the next two decades.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 5:58:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: FreedomPoster

Here is the link. I apologize for not including it in my original post.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/


36 posted on 07/31/2013 8:31:59 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Perfect, thanks!


37 posted on 07/31/2013 8:39:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: thackney
After a couple decades of being around pipelines, the president's number would be closer to reality than that one. Where did it come from?

Estimates like the 250,000 usually come from the "indirect effects" idea that for each person who is employed in a new job (as opposed to transferring from one job to another), the money they inject into local economies helps create and/or sustain X number of other jobs (doctors, teachers, retail workers, restaurant workers, etc.) - it's hard to objectively measure such effects, of course.

38 posted on 07/31/2013 8:45:07 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: topher
"Yes, like the Queen of England's two oil companies:

(1) Shell Oil Company

(2) British Petroleum

I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company... Ironically, not as big a stake in British Petroleum...
"

Thank you. It appears that the "free markets" are not so free after all.


39 posted on 08/01/2013 10:57:56 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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