Skip to comments.Obama doubles down on low-ball Keystone jobs claim despite fact-check criticism
Posted on 07/30/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by topher
President Obama doubled down Tuesday on his claim that the Keystone XL oil pipeline would create just a handful of jobs, despite being hammered by Republicans and fact-checkers alike for the claim.
The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.
"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.
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He actually wants the country to go green or go belly up. It’s not going green so...
...or a blithering idiot.............
Those lowball claims are nothing. A couple of days ago Fox had a panel with its obligatory leftist on. She smilingly repeated the “Democrats have cut $4 trillion from the budget, and there’s more to go” meme. Now that’s a really BIG lie.
I wish there was one Republican who would stand up and say "Alright, then , stop killing jobs, Mr. President!" Back off and let the economy breathe!
Who do you believe the president's 50 jobs or even if 250,000 is too rosy, just 10% of that is 25,000.
Quite a difference.
... because he is moving back to Kenya in 2016...
No small task to build and maintain pipelines...
After a couple decades of being around pipelines, the president's number would be closer to reality than that one. Where did it come from?
Bama couldn’t care less if the country goes green, belly up is his goal. And the only thing Bama doubles or any other down on is Reggie.
He’s obviously confusing Keystone with the Porkulus...
The Pipeline company could publish all their jobs related figures. They have plenty.
Each construction contractor has projected staffing curves, by discipline and by month.
They could easily and fully refute Obama.
But as much as they would like to, they also need approvals, and unlike politicians, business people are pragmatists.
They want the approvals more than they want to embarrass Obama.
So feed the facts to Obama, with the implicit threat of going public if approvals aren’t coming.
If any reporter anywhere had any balls he would have asked how many permanent jobs were created by the following failed projects of his administration:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDels subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsens Crop Service and Olsens Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chems subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Americans should brace for higher energy costs and fewer jobs. Canadians should get busy building the Northern Gateway to Kitimat to service the Chinese market. Also, get busy building a pipeline to the east coast.
And all his government make work programs created just how many permanent jobs? Ask the people in North Dakota how many jobs were created by their oil boom?
He may have lied just to bolster his crooked 2012 campaign.
Building pipelines take a whole lot more people, for a much shorter time frame, than operation and maintenance.
~4,000 jobs for the two years of construction. Then after that:
There will be 25 new pump stations, 18 of those in the US. Plus an expansion of the existing pump station in Steele City, Nebraska. Then there is 852 miles of addition pipe in the US. It is hard for me to imagine less than 100 permanent, direct jobs and more than double that for average contract and temporary jobs over the next couple decades. That is the low end, could be double or so.
Jobs & Economic Benefits
Putting skilled Americans to work
When we all have lower energy prices, the leftover money is spent on say travel, entertainment, investment etc. That’s where the jobs are.
I knew that you have some facts to back up what you said (number of stations, etc).
The press won’t challenge him so he can say anything he wants. In fact, they’ll repeat it and the idiot liberals will believe it.
that is 50 more jobs than sylendra created.
To this squatter, his vacations are bigger “jobs plans”.
Someone needs to confront this B*S**** immediately when he spews these things...
What’s really weird, is that he is doing it for some of the most influential oil business constituents in some states (their associates pretending to be greenies, as so many in other lines of business do). They use the government against potential competition and have been doing so for decades. No competition allowed. Thing is, we’re going to need all of the oil we can get into the USA for refining in the future.
Hey, obie, what about the “reduce dependence on foreign (read Middle East) oil” lie you like to tell?
(1) Shell Oil Company
(2) British Petroleum
I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company... Ironically, not as big a stake in British Petroleum...
I could be low by half. I was trying to make a guess at bare minimum added on to an existing system. But most of this is separated by many miles from the other line.
No. No one has controlling interest. 5% maybe up to 7% now is the largest single block of ownership.
“He actually wants the country to go green or go belly up”
Those two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, going green will lead to going belly up if it were even really possible to go green.
Is there a source for that list that includes a summary of each one?
My first number is way too low after thinking more about it. I was thinking of a normal day shift only crew. I think every station would have 2 people 24/7 as a minimum operations and response crew. Add two more for station maintenance and two more for pipeline maintenance between each station and you have the hours for 216 people as a bare minimum. Over the couple decades following construction of the pipeline I think you would average at least twice that for support, upgrades, etc. I’ve seen a lot of work done over the years on existing stations. I’ve been one of them many times.
So on the low end, at least 500 people after construction is done, on average. That doesn’t include all the non-direct hires like buying supplies, repair parts, etc. You cannot run hundreds of thousands of hp in pumps non-stop and think they and the associated equipment doesn’t need operations and maintenance for the next two decades.
Here is the link. I apologize for not including it in my original post.
Estimates like the 250,000 usually come from the "indirect effects" idea that for each person who is employed in a new job (as opposed to transferring from one job to another), the money they inject into local economies helps create and/or sustain X number of other jobs (doctors, teachers, retail workers, restaurant workers, etc.) - it's hard to objectively measure such effects, of course.