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Christie swings back at Rand Paul: Itís your state thatís vacuuming up federal tax dollars, not mine
Hot Air ^ | JULY 30, 2013 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 07/30/2013 2:32:12 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

Paul needled him last night on Hannity’s show for taking a “gimme, gimme, gimme” attitude towards federal spending on Sandy relief. Here’s Christie needling him back by accusing Paul and his home state of Kentucky of being a couple of deadbeats:

“I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’ attitude towards federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington,” Christie said. “And interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington. So if Sen. Paul wants to start looking at where he’s going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky…”

David Frum made a similar point this morning before Christie spoke. If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer. Christie, who accepted a temporary (but not permanent) expansion of Medicaid under ObamaCare, ain’t the guy to be attacking Paul on spending, but that’s the point here: He’s trying to inoculate himself from the damaging big-spender charge in the 2016 primaries by arguing that even libertarians like their tax money. The kicker is his dismissal of Paul as a “Washington politician,” which is … not the way most people think of Rand. But that’s strategic too. The rap on Christie two years from now will be that he’s the champion of the Republican establishment (which is true). This is him trying to muddy those perceptions by arguing that even the famously anti-establishment tea-party senator is really just a big ol’ Beltway parasite at heart.

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates. We need these debates. In fact, one X factor with Christie is whether his willingness to throw punches at grassroots heroes will end up helping him or hurting him with the centrists he’s targeting in the primaries. I agree with Dan McLaughlin that the real winners in this brawl are Rubio, Cruz, and Walker because space is being cleared in the center-right between Christie and Paul for one (or more) of them, but who knows? (Here’s a smart counter-take.) An “angry RINO” charging at rivals on the right would be a novel thing for a GOP primary; normally the RINO is a hapless figure like Romney who tolerates being dumped on by grassroots righties because he knows he needs conservatives in the general election and doesn’t want to alienate them by firing back. Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that, if so, but either way, these primaries will be dynamite.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2014election; 2016election; chrischristie; christie; danmclaughlin; davidfrum; election2014; election2016; federalspending; kentucky; marcorubio; newjersey; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; scottwalker; thekycandidate

1 posted on 07/30/2013 2:32:12 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

I think people across the entire spectrum are growing tired of what is starting to look like a generational war that is only proving to create a police state here.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 2:38:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JerseyanExile

Christie’s major donors are the neo conservative wing of the Republican Party. They abhor the neoisolationism that Rand Paul champions. They fear that it is gaining traction with hard pressed Americans who are tiring of bloody and extensive foreign entanglements that do not benefit the United States. Christie is not the only person who will be attacking Rand for virtually anything he says.


3 posted on 07/30/2013 2:41:53 PM PDT by allendale
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To: JerseyanExile

Over the past decade or so, New Jersey has gotten back somewhere between 50 cents and 75 cents for every dollar it sends to Washington DC. Part of that is because New Jersey has a lot of rich people living there and they pay a lot of Federal taxes but an awful lot of money is spent in red states on things like rural infrastructure, farm subsidies, and even welfare and food stamps that are not as obvious in red states as they are in blighted urban neighborhoods in blue states. That’s why the federal money machine is so hard to reduce. It’s been carefully crafted so that even red states have a stake in perpetuating it. If you give every congressional district a slice of the pie, nobody wants to be the one taking that slice away from their district, even the Republicans.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 2:42:44 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: JerseyanExile

Yeah, Paul’s been there since 2011. It’s 2013. I think all the pork has been pulled in by the other senator, who’s been there since 1985. You know, the minority leader of the senate. I’ll be Christie would back McConnell over Bevin, nevertheless.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 2:44:14 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: JerseyanExile

Note that I’m not defending Christie overall. I’m not sure I’m going to vote for him the next time and am currently leaning heavily against it. I didn’t vote for Whitman when she ran for reelection, either. I voted libertarian, instead, despite not being all that libertarian on some issues.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 2:45:34 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: JerseyanExile

Christie is nothing more than a game player. I think he is going to collapse and lose his following. IMHO...He’s a jerk.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 2:47:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: allendale
Americans who are tiring of bloody and extensive foreign entanglements
Agree 100%.
8 posted on 07/30/2013 2:49:25 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: JerseyanExile

KY receives exponentially more military and agro funding

Has a huge chunk of their economy under federal siege....coal

And as importantly does not serve as the worlds largest earning center’s bedroom......much like SW Connecticut will skew things a lot

Its apples and oranges


9 posted on 07/30/2013 2:51:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m OK with Paul and dislike Christie very much. And while I agree with your post I must say I think Rand opened the door on his nose with this one. He will need to up his game and know that the counter punch will come and be quick with a response.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 2:54:02 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: JerseyanExile

So is Christie going to lead the effort to shutoff the federal spending spigot or is he just going to try and redirect the spigot more towards New Jersey?


11 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: JerseyanExile

I am not a Christie fan, but he does fight back which I wish more would do. Kentucky is a drain on society apparently. 1.51 back for every dollar they send. Sheesh what a welfare state. Who knew? And with the Senate Minority Leader in the state no less.


12 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:39 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Yeah I’m not particularly thrilled with some libertarian stances but Paul and a handful of others are the only ones who seem remotely interested in the freedom of Americans.

It will only be another 2 or 3 years and we’ll have young people old enough to serve in a war that started before they were born. I hate to think what that’s doing to our society.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: wardaddy

In addition to the regular DoD appropriations, a considerable amount of dollars have gone into a chemical demilitarization facility at Blue Grass. To be fair though NJ has their share of DoD facilities as well.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 2:58:21 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: JerseyanExile
New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington,”

Not often you see a state politician brag about how little pork he and his fellow pols bring home.

15 posted on 07/30/2013 2:59:52 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: JerseyanExile

If New Jersey gets 61 cents back on every dollar sent to Washington and Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar sent to Washington, then what would happen if every state were to get back 100% of every dollar sent to Washington?


16 posted on 07/30/2013 3:03:05 PM PDT by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority! 11.06.12 - Day of Infamy!)
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To: JerseyanExile

I have one word for Governor Krispy Kreme:

Trenton.


17 posted on 07/30/2013 3:03:28 PM PDT by EricT. (This post has been recorded and cataloged for your security.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

How many billions over what was really required were in the Hurrican Sandy relief? Which governor threw rocks at Republicans for even questioning the amount (alaskan fisheries). Screw the fat boy.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 3:03:32 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Sacajaweau
Christie is nothing more than a game player.

I wouldn't mind it if the game was politics, but this looks more like some kind of personal feud, the sort of thing he should avoid if he's at all serious.

19 posted on 07/30/2013 3:07:06 PM PDT by x
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To: JerseyanExile
I'm Sorry Bro! ...Lose a few pounds and I'll think about it.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 3:10:23 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: Question_Assumptions
All good points. It's worth noting that two or three things (depending on how Federal revenues and outlays are calculated) really distort the Federal spending numbers on a state-by-state level:

1. Military facilities (small, densely populated states like New Jersey tend to have few of these compared to larger and more rural sates).

2. Indian reservations (I believe this factor alone puts New Mexico at or near the top of the list of "recipient" states).

3. Retiree populations (if Social Security and Medicare entitlements are included in the Federal spending calculations at the state level).

21 posted on 07/30/2013 3:27:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Question_Assumptions

Kentucky is also home to Ft. Campbell, Ft. Knox and Kentucky Lake and several other Federal run agencies/projects.

It also doesn’t help when your major local industry is being oppressed by the President and his anti coal policies


22 posted on 07/30/2013 3:27:30 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: sgtyork
I don't want to hear about how much we New Jerseyans soaked the country for Hurricane Sandy. For my entire life NJ has been a bill payer, 49th or 50th in federal dollars received year after year after year and always near the top in dollars sent. Christie is right, we send way more than we ever get back. Now one time, just one single time, New Jersey is getting some money back (mind you, we are still sending more out than we'll be getting back so we're still paying the bills of other states even with this fund) and people gripe like we held them up.

Other states, when you all agree to get your hands out of my pockets every year I'll agree that NJ shouldn't get hurricane relief this one time.

23 posted on 07/30/2013 3:27:53 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Other states, when you all agree to get your hands out of my pockets every year I'll agree that NJ shouldn't get hurricane relief this one time.

Agreed! Now how do we implement this?

24 posted on 07/30/2013 3:34:51 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: JerseyanExile

Krispy Kreme is imploding on his own.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 3:36:39 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: allendale
With republicans like that who needs democrats?

not the only person who will be attacking Rand for virtually anything he says.

26 posted on 07/30/2013 3:39:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: pepsi_junkie

New Jersey residents get soaked in taxes. Have a lot of them in my circle and I know.

I think there’s a soreness about Christie Schmoozing and Smooching BO at a really bad time. So I guess there’s collateral. I don’t know.


27 posted on 07/30/2013 3:39:22 PM PDT by stanne
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To: JerseyanExile

War between the States?


28 posted on 07/30/2013 3:43:26 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Haha. Quite the conservative you are. The government isn’t a charity case. Stop defending its excesses.


29 posted on 07/30/2013 4:02:16 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JerseyanExile.
...from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer... I agree with Dan McLaughlin that the real winners in this brawl are Rubio, Cruz, and Walker because space is being cleared in the center-right between Christie and Paul for one (or more) of them...

30 posted on 07/30/2013 4:11:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: JerseyanExile

I would never vote for an Obama-hugging lard ass like Cristie. He’s the one that started this BS. This is after the porker had his hugest with Obama.

Christie couln’t survive a long political race. His speech at the republican convention sucked because he was so winded. He’s so out of shape the walk on stage wore him out. He was pathetic.


31 posted on 07/30/2013 4:14:21 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

He’s going to drop dead like James Gandolfini if he doesn’t lose about 100 pounds.


32 posted on 07/30/2013 4:15:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pepsi_junkie

I thought the fight was about how much pork was stuffed in the bill, not the money going to Jersey.


33 posted on 07/30/2013 4:23:49 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: JerseyanExile

I care not one whit what a chump like David Frum has to say.

Let them make their arguments. We need a good housecleaning, air all the dirty laundry and let’s compare notes.


34 posted on 07/30/2013 4:40:01 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I think Crispy is jockeying for shotgun on Hildebest’s ticket. He’s off the GOP reservation.


35 posted on 07/30/2013 4:50:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: HawkHogan
Haha. Quite the conservative you are. The government isn’t a charity case. Stop defending its excesses.

I'm tired of getting taxed disproportionately to the benefit I get relative to citizens from every other state. You defending that?

36 posted on 07/30/2013 5:50:58 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: allendale

When this country was begun, the Founding Fathers did not see this country as a superman that would go around righting all the wrongs in the whole world. We simply cannot do it. So much of our policy has involved being on a war footing since World War II. We have to be more circumspect about our world policies.


37 posted on 07/30/2013 6:03:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Not my fault you live in a state with a high tax rate. Your pork barrell mentality is the reason our debt is 17 trillion. With your rational, I should exploit a couple workarounds and use my status as a student to get on SNAP. If everyone else is bankrupting the country, I might as well do my part. Christie is the phoniest kind of conservative. He’s all about small government until a crisis, then it’s gimme me pork time.


38 posted on 07/30/2013 6:38:57 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: JerseyanExile

To borrow a speech from Obamas pastor Father Pheleger:

Christie is only mad because he’s ignorant of what The South is like. He thought he could pick on Paul because “this will be easy going against this southern hick dumbass” and all of a sudden he gets smacked hard by someone that ISN’T dumb and ISN’T easy to take down. And Christie’s now saying “AHHHH DAMN! WHERE’D THAT INTELLIGENT SOUTHERNER COME FROM? IM A NORTHENER! IM EDUCATED! THERE’S A SOUTHERNER HICK STEALING MY SHOW! WAAAAAAAAA!”


39 posted on 07/30/2013 7:37:36 PM PDT by Jmathes
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To: pepsi_junkie
I'm tired of getting taxed disproportionately to the benefit I get relative to citizens from every other state. You defending that?

Snort. Tell your fellow liberals in New Jersey to quit voting for people who raise their taxes.

40 posted on 07/30/2013 7:49:06 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: pepsi_junkie

Now one time, just one single time, New Jersey is getting some money back (mind you, we are still sending more out than we’ll be getting back

Look, you’ve been tolerating big government and high taxes (e.g. democrats) for decades. You obviously like this financial bleeding. Christie could have approached this as with realism and appreciation for small government and frugality. Instead he discredited his own party for all this boodle.

TO BENEFIT ALASKAN FISHERIES
the VA Manhattan Medical Center
$4 million for repairs at Kennedy Space Center in Florida;
$3.3 million for the Plum Island Animal Disease Center
$1.1 million to repair national cemeteries.

but wait...

$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
$197 million “to… protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy.”
$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.
$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.

TEN BILLION FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION !!!! Doesn’t that make your devastated citizens feel better??!?!?!?!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/01/02/the-pork-filled-and-expensive-nonrelief-sandy-relief-bill-n1477710

Your governor threw a tantrum for this porkulus....
So its another step to financial armageddon and New Jersey makes it a big one.


41 posted on 07/30/2013 8:09:08 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Funny how everyone piles on New Jersey for getting disaster relief once. Disaster relief. The same stuff that goes to Florida, Texas, California, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc every year. Year after year. Do you rail against that and want to shut the program down? Maybe you do, I haven't heard a lot of people saying that here though. So now New Jersey gets hit hard and some is being sent here and suddenly because (let's admit it) you don't like Chris Christie people who live here are considered pigs at the trough and leeches on society. Remember too that NJ pays MORE than it GETS so we are the opposite, we pay your bills not the other way around. DO I like paying your bills? Hell no. Get your hands out of my pocket; go ahead, start lobbying to shut down the government programs your state gets. I don't have to because in NJ we don't have any worth speaking of, we're 50th in fenderal funds received per capita. The opposite of a leech, we're pumping all of you up.

But when my state gets hammered and we get our own money back (we're still not breaking even mind you) you all get on your soapboxes in righteous indignation and call me a liberal because I want to keep my tax dollars in my own state. Basically you are defending the system where my money goes to your states and your pork. Good conservative principle, that.

42 posted on 07/31/2013 6:25:23 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: sgtyork; vbmoneyspender; HawkHogan
It's really quite simple. Imagine you and four freinds decide to each contribute $10 each month to a pot for a given back to the friends at the end of the month. But for some reason, at the end of every month four of the friends take out $11 and you get back just $6. Congratulations, you are New Jersey.

Now one month you get hit with a big hospital bill. The end of the month comes and you say "guys, I know you always take $11 but I really need my money back. Okay, maybe not all of it. Maybe I could at least take $8 or $9 back this month?" and all your friends screamed "Liberal! Sponge! Thief!" That's what's going on here.

43 posted on 07/31/2013 6:48:11 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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