Skip to comments.George Zimmerman's Brother: Trayvon Martin Skeletons Coming Out in Civil Trial
Posted on 07/30/2013 11:52:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
George Zimmerman's brother is trying to warn Trayvon Martin's family about the additional pain and suffering they could go through if they try to bring a wrongful death civil suit against his acquitted brother.
As of July 30, many people in the country still labor under the illusion of the images painted of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman on the night Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, an unarmed teen from Miami. For example, erroneous reporting about the 911 call led many to believe that Zimmerman racially profiled the teen when NBC News later admitted the tape was aired out of context when it was reconfigured due to cutting and splicing the media tool, prompting a legal suit by the accused in the murder case.
Likewise, a judge ruled that information about Martin's fighting tendencies--just days before the fight with Zimmerman--could not be revealed to the jury during the Seminole County murder trial. And Judge Debra Nelson also ruled that photos of the dead teen holding guns and appearing to exhale smoke could not be used either. School expulsions for alleged wrongdoing were absent from the court, too, and the media largely ignored derogatory reporting about Sybrina Fulton's son.
The respect shown the victim was good in the sense that too many crime victims are revictimized after a crime by defense attorneys seeking to get off guilty clients. And Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, was not allowed to do that to the memory of Martin. Yet the jury found in favor of the defendant anyway because the law showed he was not guilty of premeditated murder--or racial profiling.
A civil court, however, will allow the victim in addition to the accused to be presented in their entirety, factually. And that means the truth about Trayvon Martin's past will come back to haunt his mother and family if they move forward with this case. So George Zimmerman's brother is merely stating the obvious rather than trying to threaten the Martin family from moving forward. After all, they surely don't want the school where Trayvon attended to enlighten the country about how their son was expelled from school due to his antagonist behavior to authorities and his alleged criminal activities on the premises. And they don't want media reporting about his fighting tendencies, and how he felt he was good at it. Do they?
The Martin family can continue to enjoy the blind support of many in the African American community and elsewhere if they let this sleeping dog lie, but if they take Zimmerman to civil court in a wrongful death lawsuit then the gloves will come off. And no parent wants their child remembered for the things they did wrong. Nor do they want the world to know their child might have egged on the fatal blow that was dealt them either. And that's why Zimmerman's brother seems to think they will not pursue a lawsuit against his brother, according to the Huffington Post, telling the media outlet that "things that might not be flattering to Trayvon or his family" would come out.
That’s not going to stop them. It’s all about the $$$$. If they think they can get any, they’ll proceed. I can’t see them winning though, and it’s not like GZ has a lot in the way of assets even if they did win.
Bring it on!
After Zimmerman was acquitted the lib stream of talking points was that if Zimmerman took the stand he would have been convicted, and that a civil trial would force him to testify under oath.
The Dems seems to have dropped that line of logic.
Who is going to pay for GZ’a attorney?
Yup. Mentions of Tray’s school suspensions, likely jewelry thefts, drug use and violent texts were verboten during the Zimmerman trial. In a civil suit, all that gets to come out.
If they go with a civil suit, they will be irrevocably hurting their “brand.”
They have to if they loose. Z can also cross sue!
I just don’t see nothing gained from a lost-civil trial. You really introduce the entire Trayvon....a punk kid who’d been dismissed/suspended from school five times. The kid was doping up daily and likely just a year or two away from getting caught by the cops and introduced to real jail. You’d lose half of the audience if you start to point out all these facts.
I’m guessing lawyers are viewing this carefully. An agency could invest 2,000 man-hours in this, and if the win-rate is less than twenty percent....you are simply burning profits away. I’m guessing half of the legal firms in Florida would laugh if offered the deal.
It's bad enough that the black community sticks up for this punk simply because of his skin color; but a fair number of whites have bought into his innocence too, in spite of the fact that Zim was ACQUITTED.
If anyone knows of a website through which donations for GZ’s legal expenses can be made, please post it here. When I get some money ahead, I will donate some as I am able. Thanks in advance.
I don’t know how much good a civil trial would do in terms of turning the tide of opinion against St. Traytable in terms of his real character as opposed to the MSM’s portrayal. But I am tempted to say, “Bring it on!” anyway.
But you shouldn’t ignore the publicity factor. A firm that takes this case will immediately become nationally known.
That’s worth a good bit in the long run, if you look good during the trial, even if you lose.
Over at the Dem channel they were complaining that it was unfair that Zimmermans defense was so well funded by contributors where-as a black defendant would be dependent on a public defender.
Zimmerman has contributions from supporters for this,
There is a Zimmerman defense fund plus in a civil trial the defendant can sue for legal defense bills.
I also have my doubts that the lame-stream media would fairly report anything brought out in court about TM, but would certainly highlight any skeletons found in GZ’s closet.
They are dirty that way!
Did you introduce the facts to your sister and (ex) friend? Or was that impossible? I guess facts got in their way of their narrative??
I think GZ has more potential assets than many realize. He already has a suit against NBC for the defamatory editing they did on the recording of his phone call to the police. This could be worth several million. He has more suits just waiting to be filed against other media outlets. He has claims against the State of Florida for the railroad job they did.
Next he has book and movie rights. And, I would not at all be surprised to see him on a speaking tour in a few months. Security will be a challenge, but not insurmountable.
I couldn’t agree more, but have the Martins considered how shallow Zimmerman’s pockets are? Much of Zimmerman’s wealth, if any, was depleted with the legal costs of his criminal trial.
The situation is much more convoluted than money as a driver for their behavior.
Take a look at recent phrases used in the press.
“We want Justice for Trayvon” echoes the sentiment of many during the trial. This manifests they don’t even understand what the trial was about. It isn’t about Trayvon. It was about the relationship of Zimmerman and the laws of the State of Florida.
True Justice for Trayvon is an eternity in hell. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody, although I understand how those who reject Christ will continually degenerate to a point where Hell is the only appropriate place for them.
Trayvon is dead. We don’t have trials for dead people. We don’t charge dead people with criminal charges to determine their guilt or innocence, because they can’t defend themselves and they have already lost their life, something no longer controllable by the State.
We have trials regarding the State and people who violate the laws of the State. Only the State has the authority within our legal framework to legitimately take a human life. A person may defend themselves to prevent the taking of their own life by another, but the issue is still to support the rule of law and the State having the authority over human life, (other obviously than God Himself, because He is the one who gave life originally).
The trial is simply to discern if Zimmerman acted within the law or if Zimmerman violated the law, specifically regarding the charge of 2nd degree murder.
The defense apparently didn’t bring up self defense or the Hold Your Ground issues, as they simply won by the jury finding Zimmerman not guilty of the act of 2nd degree murder by the definition of the crime.
So the issue was strictly only about Zimmerman and if he was guilty or not guilty of 2nd degree murder.
The Black culture feeding frenzy bounces all over the place. Some attack the Hold Your Ground laws, which weren’t the issue. Many simply want vengeance, not justice, and others want revenge for what they perceive as evil, but confuse it with unrighteousness,...2 very distinct issues. Many claim they want Justice, but they confuse Justice with Vengeance, and in their arrogance further degenerate into sliding from Vengeance into Wrath against anybody who doesn’t share their arrogance.
It should be noted, this is the very same weakness in Islam, which has a problem in dealing with Justice. When perceiving unrighteousness, Justice must judge the act in a righteous manner.
The confusion extends back to the Garden of Eden, when Man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, resulting in a spiritual death, and the solution was presented at the Mercy Seat, where by grace a solution is provided under 2 angels, one representing God’s Perfect Righteousness and the other His Perfect Justice.
Today, every man has the ability to discern good and evil, and also Righteousness and Justice through faith in Christ, but in our sinful nature, we are tempted to confuse good with right and the evil with the unjust. If we fail to remain in faith with Him, we may bounce between immoral degeneracy, confusing evil with pleasure leading to lasciviousness or moral degeneracy confusing good with righteousness leading to legalism.
The answer is simple. Believe in Christ and through faith in Him allow His Plan and grace to prevail.
Black persons seek a scapegoat for their thuggish tendencies. GZ is that scapegoat. The other George is now irrelevant.
"In self defense" should be drilled into the lib & dem skulls. Thus it should be:
"As of July 30, many people in the country still labor under the illusion of the images painted of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman on the night Zimmerman shot and killed Martin in self defense, an unarmed teen from Miami. "
If Florida law is similar to New Jersey law in this regard, then Zimmerman may have nothing to lose in a civil lawsuit anyway. If he was acting as a volunteer “agent” of the homeowners’ association when the incident occurred (and I presume this was the case, since the HOA’s insurance company has already paid a settlement to Martin’s family), then Florida law and/or the bylaws of the HOA may indemnify him against any financial losses he faces — including his legal fees if he is sued in civil court.
The thing is, this author is under the illusion that St. Skittles’ family thinks being a thug gangsta is WRONG. My impression is that deep down, they do NOT think anything is morally reprehensible about their culture.
The LAWYERS they have agree with them, but have the savvy to hide the gangsta mindset. Do you ever notice Sybrina and Tracy RARELY, if ever, speak out without a mouthpiece next to them??
“Mentions of Trays school suspensions, likely jewelry thefts, drug use and violent texts”
In a sane world, that would be an inhibiting factor, but nowadays that garners him more sympathy among the blacks for standin’ up to da crazy-ass crackas. It’s not going to make a whit of difference. Martin’s parents have already been assured the more relaxed “preponderance of guilt” threshold will be easier to cross, as will be the path to $$$$$$ for the rest of their lives.
Ah!! The HOA paid out a settlement to them??? Wasn’t aware of that! Interesting....
If they proceed with a lawsuit, Zimmerman’s attorneys will ask for a “Stand Your Ground Immunity” hearing from a civil suit and it is likely they would prevail.
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Too many on both sides are playing with this.The premise for these presentations, including the trial, which everybody refers to was set by the regime and the media. What nobody looks at is how Neighborhood Watches operate. If any of our so called conservative talk show hosts had iterviewed guests that run these watches the regime and the media would be exposed for the frauds they are. That should happen if the counter suit takes place.
Its the second time the President of the United States has interjected himself into a confrontation between those in authority on legal grounds reasonably questioned and released someone involved in a curious activity. He is still being given a pass as if he has nothing to do with the strife he’s causing by the socialist games he’s playing
In both cases those representing authority were reported as white . In the second case the person working security was attacked after questioning an activity while on private rights of way and allowing the person to continue on their way. Who doubled back and attacked the neighborhood watch worker beating him severly on the ground and the attacker was subsequently killed in a struggle over the Neighborhood Watchman’s legal pistol.
In the second case both were dark skined.
Since the Zimmernan not guilty verdict has been rendered, the facts of this case are still being shamefully being concealed by the media to the extent they are advancing and are complicit in permitting a putrid injstice to be committed of the worst order,organized and instituted by our governent.While denied. It began as a miscalculation when a surname of a Jewish origin shot up and lighted the heavens like a star shell in the darkest of nights.
It would have been difused if the media used pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins. And the area of this “Neighborhood Watch” where this occured of paycheck to paycheck struggling homeowners of all races trying to protect themselves had been reported and not some ritzy all white enclave.they portrayed.
If you enter a neighborhood watch area especially if it’s “gated” what happens ? White, green, blue or black, you can be asked your purpose for being there. Your on private property. Yes if a person on patrol loses sight of you they can and do leave their vehicle .Worse yet the media is still pilling it on with ABC editing a a black jury members (remember when they were all white)t remarks to make it sound like she accused Zimmerman of murder.
Instead the party that hypenated itself from God at their 2012 convention into demo-coms, and believe that all groups should be hyphenated , Afro-American, Hispanic-American, etc..Decided Zimmerman to be the egg that is to be broken,. sacrificed, so that we have an omlet..Just like Stalin did to the Ukrainian land owners known as Kulacks whom he executed, (and used that egg example) in a soclal engineering plan to organize collectives during a Russian drought..Because as we have learned there seems to be the intention to use a collective data base to create collectives.where a utopia of uniforimity of conformity exists. As was done in Detroit, and Oakland California.only this time a poor whitey or blacky wont be able to move,.
Just as with the energy plan where the cost of fuel used for energy and transportation has skyrocketed placing those on fixed or limited incomes dependent on government handouts because of this regimes socialist policies the sacrifice of Zimmerman must die for . This time to another communist plan. We all move together in centers designed and approved by comrades running the collective who (just like Obamacare arent in it) wont and never live there.
What should be the response and rebuttal ?
Why is this being done ? To cover up Fast and furious, IRS, Bengahzi, Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US,over-riding the constittution? Those are blamed on others .But not who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the presidents hand ? Never looked into either by the House and certainly not even speculated about or reported on by the media. Seems like that could be considered pay back at US taxpayer expence. Isnt that an impeachable offense ? Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ?
On CNN's Headline New defense atty O'Mara mentioned that Trayvon was under the influence of marijuana and that he was spotted near a home that had recently been burglarized. O'Mara went on to say that Martin had recently been "caught with the fruits of a burglary." A reference to the watch, jewelry and burglary tool found in Martin's backpack by school authorities several months before.
That fateful night he was buying the stuff to get a ghetto high on "lean." Side effects of "lean" includes aggressive behavior. Helps to understand why this rabid "chile" attacked his teacher, school-bus driver........and lay in wait----like a predator----for FOUR FULL MINUTES TO attack George Zimmerman.
And if Tracy is Trayvon's real daduy---I'll eat a bag of skittles.
"I want to thank Rev Al for helping me look like
a "victim" as long as possible---at least until the
paternity test comes back and shows I don't get no
money because I ain't Trayvon's daddy. "
THERE'S A LAWSUIT RIGHT THERE L/E officers falsified official govt reports (a felony) to save Trayvon's degenerate ***. Read on.
In Oct 2011, after a video surveillance camera caught Martin writing graffiti on a door, MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched Martins backpack, looking for the marker he had used. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of womens jewelry and a mans watch, along with a flathead screwdriver the officer described as a burglary tool.
The jewelry and watch, which Martin claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a description of items stolen during the October 2011 burglary of a house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school.
However, because of Chief Hurleys policy to lower the arrest rates, as one MDSPD sergeant said in an internal investigation, the stolen jewerly was instead listed as found property and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were investigating the burglary. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD officer caught Martin with a small plastic bag containing marijuana residue, as well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead Martin was suspended from school.
Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief Hurleys attempt to reduce the school crime statistics according to sworn testimony, officers were basically told to lie and falsify reports Martin was never arrested.
> its not like GZ has a lot in the way of assets even if they did win.
They’ll never collect the judgment. Let them hire an attorney that they won’t pay who’ll end suing them later because they’ll use the donations sent to them for personal use and not legal fees. It’ll show their true colors and they’ll be behind the 8 ball for a change. People aren’t stupid. Its obvious their son was a thug who was burglarizing the neighborhood, getting high all the time (and even dealing), and on a fast track to becoming another multiple count felon. He was stopped in his tracks trying to prove he was a badass that was going to give a “crazy ass cracka’” a beatdown. In the end the Fulton and Martin’s poor parenting skills will be shown to be the primary cause of Trayvon’s death. Let ‘em sue and have their names dragged through the dirt after investigators gather plenty of evidence to prove it.
>>I think GZ has more potential assets than many realize.
Yes, that is a good point.
Likely, he’ll go with either one or both of his defense attorneys. The older one is almost retired and I think he has a hard-on for the former prosecution team and their bosses. I’d say it would be a labor of hate/love to poke them in the eye (again).
GZ already passed the hate-crime inquisition (by the FBI), and the defense won’t hold anything back re: St. Trayvon this time. He will be figuratively crucified.
If I were GZ, I’d look into taking any money made in the near future and putting it in the same kind of retirement trust OJ had. It survived the Civil Lawsuit where the plaintiffs were awarded 33 million. Untouchable.
Yes....and, the HOA acted stupidly because the insurance company was the only one that made out on that deal. The insurance company is only obligated to pay out up to the policy amount; the rest of the liability goes to the HOA.
Unless they got some sort of signed waver from the Martins about not suing the HOA or Insurance company, they can still go after both (at least up to the policy limit for the insurance company and the sky’s the limit for the HOA). However, I think the HOA and insurance company made a bad deal. They left the game too early.
St Trayvon’s entire little thug life will be opened up, everything about the Martins dredged up (even forcing both to prove Trayvon is their biological child), their finances, their settlements since the self-defense killing, etc.
They should have come out during the first trial. A man’s life was hanging in the balance and they thought it proper to hide this information. There is a special place in hell for such people.
And he was not umarmed.
Concrete is a weapon just as much as a gun or a knife if it is used against a person’s skull.
They aren’t smart enough to quit while they’re ahead, maybe they will take Sharpton down with them!
BTW, SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC TOO, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE LITTLE GUYS!
You are jesting of course.. The line of bloodsucking lawyers has already forming, and I wouldn't be surprised if one isn't already scouring the jury pool..
They will Judge shop this baby, and the chosen jurist will look and act predictable.. This jury will be much different than the last, and be bent to the far left.. No my dear FRiend, this goes to court and Katy bar the door..
Chip in ten bucks, just give up a big mac, you will feel great every time you remember it.
The entire Zimmerman family has had it’s future damaged, it will take everything they have to survive.
I think it’s foolish to assume that Trayvon Martin’s parents worry about their son’s reputation. Heck, look at the way the kid was neglected while he was alive? Look at how well they raised him?
No. They’ve pushed it this far, they are prepared to push for more publicity and the dollars they hope that it brings.
Don’t forget that the Media will quarantine the worst aspects of the testimony with their editorializing. At the same time they will amp-up anything that shows Zimmerman in a bad light. What else is New?
There’s a 3rd act in this 3-Ring Circus — the Obama Administration doing its best to stir resentment in the African community. This is just a cheap tactic for them. It’s been done in other ways by earlier Democrat politicians. The Martins are just pawns in a bigger chess match.
Bring ‘em out now! Scorched earth! Every interview, show every text message!
I suspect they're also looking at the money the Martin's got from the HOA settlement. I'd bet money, marbles and chalk those lawyers end up with most of that before this is over.
This wouldn’t be the “usual” kind of wrongful death suit — this is the entire left wing against one man. Wherever the “parents” are getting their money to fly all around the country, stay in fancy hotels every night, and eat in restaurants three or four times a day, that’s where they money would come from to hire the lawyers — the shadow would-be government of the leftists.
Even if you think they’re still paying for another trip somewhere every couple of days, recall all those professionally made protest signs at every protest around the country. Somebody’s paying for those.
For these leftists, an outcome with whitey knowing that he’d better not try to defend himself against one of “our sons” is a very good investment no matter what the cost.
i’m seriously someone who shy’s away from a fight. In this case I would say, “Let’s get this show on the road!”
As a parent who raised 3 sons I suggest to Mrs. Martin to be very careful of wanting financial gain in this case. You might just not want to hear what your son was REALLY up too!
“...Over at the Dem channel ...”
Oh, you mean NBCCBSABCCNNPMSNBC. Yeah...I know that channel.
But they’re not partisan, nah... not at all.
Only nasty, evil Fox is partisan!!!
Most likely obama voters.