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Jon Favreau on the Destructive Rise of the No-Government Conservatives (Fantastic in the old sense*)
The Daily Beast ^ | July 30, 2013 | Jon Favreau, former chief Obama speechwriter

Posted on 07/31/2013 2:12:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican Party is divided—and the small-government conservatives, who want to reduce government’s size but preserve its institutions, are losing. Jon Favreau on the ruinous ideology that’s ascendant.

Nine months after a decisive loss in the 2012 elections, the battle for the soul of the Republican Party—or whatever’s left of it—has begun.

I’m not talking about a battle between moderates and conservatives. The conservatives won that fight a long time ago. Our children may never believe that moderate Republicans once roamed the Earth, advocating policies that would limit carbon pollution and invest in scientific research, reform our schools and build new roads, promote national service, reduce the influence of money in politics, and require individuals who can afford health insurance to take responsibility for buying it. Soon enough, these politicians will exist only in the minds of ’90s-era pundits and Aaron Sorkin’s writing staff.

The conservatives have finally purified the Republican Party, dispatching moderate infidels in primary after primary, demanding fealty to their agenda of huge tax cuts and drastically lower spending. They have used their sizable numbers in Congress to help realize that agenda, with periodic assists from a president who has always been more fiscally responsible than his enemies would admit.

Today the tax burden on the vast majority of families is lower than it’s been in decades. Domestic spending outside of Medicare and Medicaid is the lowest it’s been in more than half a century. A public sector that has grown under the last four presidents has significantly contracted under Barack Obama. And deficits are falling at the fastest pace in 60 years.

Conservatives remain unsatisfied. They want more tax cuts. More spending cuts. And I’m picking up signals that they’re not entirely thrilled with the Affordable Care Act.

But here, a new divide has emerged within the Republican Party. On one side are the traditional small-government conservatives, who have a rough acquaintance with the rules of politics and basic math. They may want to reduce the size of government further, but they also want to preserve the institutions of government, understanding that a functional democracy is necessary to provide for the common defense, promote a common prosperity, and tackle problems we can only solve together, as a nation.

These are Republicans like Chris Christie, who has witnessed the vital importance of robust federal aid in the wake of a terrible storm. These are Republicans like Jeb Bush, who has tried to reform public education without completely dismantling it. These are Republicans like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the handful of senators who have sought compromise with Democrats over issues such as immigration reform and finally ended the historically exceptional blockade of perfectly qualified executive-branch nominees so that the president can fill the jobs his administration is required to perform.

None of these actions have endeared the small-government conservatives to their rivals for power, the no-government conservatives. No-government conservatives take their inspiration from Grover Norquist’s famous quote that government should be shrunk to a size where it can be drowned in a bathtub. These Republicans, who make up most of the House and a healthy portion of the Senate, are on an uncompromising mission to abolish most government services, benefits, regulations, and taxes.

The goals of no-government conservatives are not primarily economic. They will propose more tax cuts in times of surplus and times of deficit. They care little when the nonpartisan experts and economists at the Congressional Budget Office say sequestration will cost up to 1.6 million jobs next year, or that immigration reform will boost our GDP, or that Obamacare will reduce the debt over time. No-government conservatives are not compelled by the evidence that temporary benefits such as food stamps and unemployment insurance put money in the pockets of those most likely to spend it at local businesses that will grow and create jobs as a result. Their only jobs agenda, their only growth agenda, their only deficit agenda is eliminating government, no matter how many people it helps or how big a boost it provides the economy.

Nor are the goals of no-government conservatives primarily political. They have advisers, they can read polls, and most of them probably know that shutting down the government or forcing a default would be, among other catastrophes, highly unpopular. They realize that rampant hostage-taking and filibuster-abuse are the chief contributors to the obstruction and gridlock that Americans of both parties hate.

They just don’t care. Jonathan Chait has written about the recent embrace of “procedural extremism” among many congressional Republicans, who have “evolved from being politically shrewd proponents of radical policy changes to a gang of saboteurs who would rather stop government from functioning at all.”

But for no-government conservatives, this has been their primary policy goal all along. Their fundamental philosophy is purely ideological—the idea that since government can’t do everything, it should do nothing. So as long as the public continues to see Washington as a dysfunctional circus of petty children, the conservative philosophy of government is vindicated. That is also precisely why no-government conservatives view the successful implementation of Obamacare as an existential threat—because it would prove that limited government intervention in the market can still be an effective force for good. It is why some Republicans are threatening a shutdown unless Obama agrees to defund the Affordable Care Act—a step they know can’t even be achieved through the annual budget process.

In 2016, Sens. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz seem to be the most likely champions of no-government conservatism, with Marco Rubio engaged in a delicate balancing act between purity and sanity. Whether Republican activists will still embrace traditional conservatives like Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and others remains to be seen. But of one thing I am certain: while the single-minded pursuit of a no-government ideology may bring Republicans a fanatical sense of purpose, it will not bring them the 270 electoral votes needed to take back the White House, nor will it help our recovery gain the speed and strength it needs. The sooner the party faithful realize this, the better off the country will be.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; chrischristie; jebbush; krispykreme; marcorubio; obama; randpaul; rinos; taxes; teaparty; tedcruz
* Based on or existing only in fantasy; unreal or Bizarre, as in form or appearance; strange
1 posted on 07/31/2013 2:12:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is often the tactic used on a local level whenever we conservatives oppose the latest county property/sales tax increase that will be used to expand the “good ole boy” payroll at city hall or the court house or the school board.

We will get accused of “wanting to do away with all government services” if we oppose the taxes, when in reality all we want is a slowdown in its growth rate.

Its the classic straw man argument.


2 posted on 07/31/2013 2:23:40 AM PDT by abb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An impressive victory by the author over the straw man residing in his leftist noggin. No government?


3 posted on 07/31/2013 2:24:57 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jon, you ignorant slut.


4 posted on 07/31/2013 2:26:00 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After I read it, I noticed who the author was and realized why I couldn’t get through more than a paragraph of it...


5 posted on 07/31/2013 2:26:14 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ~ Frédéric Bastiat, The Law


6 posted on 07/31/2013 2:32:34 AM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A two-bit, punk ass little twerp whose only lot in life has been to write lies for sleazy politicians (Kerry/Obama).

Too young (born 1981)to know anything of which he (thru Obama’s lying mouth) speaks. Never had a decent job that required even a semblance of sweat, he likely never will.

Yet, before us today he stands before us conservatives and tells us what we think, do and how we act - AND how we should act. Of course he only has OUR best interests at heart.

He’s what I like to call a NEO-TRAITOR. A pompous little widget in the oppression party (Democrat). He advocates manna for all, even if they have to take it from someone to give to another. It does not stir his or their conscience because they’ve never had to go out and do real work for anything. Just lie, promise and keep campaigning.

Since he’s out of work now, my guess is that he’s angling for a job in 2016 - better hurry Rubio and snap him up. He’s a real catch!


7 posted on 07/31/2013 2:37:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My first thought after reading this was how anybody can reach such a state of “fantastic”. My second thought was absolutely no way do I want to find out the answer to that question!


8 posted on 07/31/2013 2:45:44 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jon Favreau, former chief Obama speechwriter

Not to be confused with the actor/director of the same name.

9 posted on 07/31/2013 2:56:43 AM PDT by Hugin (')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These are Republicans like Chris Christie, who has witnessed the vital importance of robust federal aid in the wake of a terrible storm. These are Republicans like Jeb Bush, who has tried to reform public education without completely dismantling it. These are Republicans like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the handful of senators who have sought compromise with Democrats over issues such as immigration reform and finally ended the historically exceptional blockade of perfectly qualified executive-branch nominees so that the president can fill the jobs his administration is required to perform.

If this guy thinks these are Conservatives, then he is so far to the left it defies definition.

These are the "moderates"--the leftists--in the GOP, and there isn't a true Conservative among them.

As for the rest of us, those of us who would gladly pare Government back to its rightfully Constitutional proportions, we have not yet begun to fight!

10 posted on 07/31/2013 3:12:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sourcery

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society.”

Spirited: As ancients believed that the King, Pharoah, etc. was a divine being, an extension of their god, then it followed that all things, including citizens and slaves belonged to the King.

Though Leftists by whatever label they apply to themselves haven’t publicly declared their own godhood, they nevertheless worship themselves and believe that they know better than the “unwashed masses” what they ought to think, how much if any they should be allowed to have, who should be allowed to live and who should die, and so on.


11 posted on 07/31/2013 3:18:18 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: abb
We will get accused of “wanting to do away with all government services” if we oppose the taxes, when in reality all we want is a slowdown in its growth rate.

If the gov't service is a total waste of money you better believe this conservative wants to "Do Away" with it!

12 posted on 07/31/2013 3:54:02 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy writes Obaam’s speech’s???????

Well that answers a lot of questions.

I always thought they were written by someone who is mentally challenged.


13 posted on 07/31/2013 3:54:52 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here is the essence of Obama's apologist's case:

Today the tax burden on the vast majority of families is lower than it’s been in decades. Domestic spending outside of Medicare and Medicaid is the lowest it’s been in more than half a century. A public sector that has grown under the last four presidents has significantly contracted under Barack Obama. And deficits are falling at the fastest pace in 60 years.

Does anybody have a reply based on fact or are we just going to fulminate on this thread?


14 posted on 07/31/2013 3:55:25 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Favreau's hysterical statements can be translated as such:

What!!!! Can you believe there are these people WHO DON'T WANT HUGE TAX INCREASES!!!! WHO DON'T WANT BIG GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER EVERY ASPECT OF CITIZEN'S LIVES!!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T TRUST BIG GOVERNMENT!!!

Typical lib/leftist blather.

15 posted on 07/31/2013 4:07:14 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Gaffer
"pompous little widget"

I like that. That describes these types perfectly. I'm going to steal your line.

16 posted on 07/31/2013 4:09:15 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: sourcery

Man, that is GREAT. Needs to be repeated over and over and over again!

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ~ Frédéric Bastiat, The Law


17 posted on 07/31/2013 4:09:34 AM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: nathanbedford

nathan, nothing wrong with a little fulminate in the morning - it stirs well in my coffee.

I don’t need a number to know a lie.
That statement you referenced is a bold lie.

Since when have facts assuaged liars?

I’m good. You’re good.


18 posted on 07/31/2013 4:15:49 AM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: nathanbedford

What’s wrong with a little fulminating? This jerk is advocating for huge government and lying about conservative goals and actions. No conservative has ever said there should be no taxes...only unnecessary ones. Obama has spent more in a little over one term than all previous admins combined.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 4:16:08 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That fool is tilting at windmills and telling scary campfire stories. The "no-government" Republicans took over?! Please.

Tell you what, head over to any thread about sports in public schools and try to tell me how most of those so called TEA party, no-government Republicans are for one penny of smaller, let alone no government.

The closest thing to no-government Republicans was the libertarian wing of the party, and most of us left the party last year when we finally got sick of being treated like abused house fraus.

The author of that bowel movement being passed off as an article needs to scrape up some change and go buy a clue.

20 posted on 07/31/2013 4:18:36 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: driftless2

Be my guest. I can’t say what I really think they are because of profanity rules....(a little cussword now and then, but nothing so bad as what I’m thinking)


21 posted on 07/31/2013 4:21:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: abb

curtailing the growth of government demonstrates an understanding of mathematics. We’re on the highway to ruin. But the left has a convenient scapegoat in Republicans.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 4:27:49 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey jon... you are a queer communist and so is your deity obama. Burn in hell jon... and quit trying to be like bon jovi... I know he is also a commie but taking the J out of your name does not make you cool.

LLS


23 posted on 07/31/2013 4:34:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What universe does this schizo live in? It sure isn’t this one.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 4:34:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Make that H... no coffee this morning!


25 posted on 07/31/2013 4:34:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: driftless2
No conservative has ever said there should be no taxes...

I'll more than agree with that. In fact as recent as this morning I still have "good, TEA party conservatives on this site more or less using obama's "you didn't build that!" stump speech to excuse heaping taxes onto their neighbors so their kids can play games at government schools.

26 posted on 07/31/2013 5:13:05 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He lost me at “conservatives won the battle” with moderates.” I’m too busy to read the other thousand words of propaganda.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 5:24:16 AM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: abb
I do want to do away with almost all government services.
what can those corrupt ,evil,unaccountable government bureaucrats do better than the free market or free individuals. any of you want to rely on a Lois Lerner running your life and doing for you better than you can for your life? multiply that 1 by the millions of transactions carried on in real time by crack businessmen and technicians who are the best in the world with 20 years experience (that's called free market capitalism). and each of those works with their own money. gov idiots work with other peoples money and so are unaccountable. any of you think that an unaccountable government bureaucrat can run the free market transactions better than the free market when a corrupt unaccountable gov idiot doesn't know its you know what from a hole in the ground much less to be able to run even 1 business or 1 individual better than those can do it themselves. a gov idiot takes months to make one decision where as the free market works in real time

governmentS spent 30 years funding fake research for a hoax called global waring. this is what government does. gov is unaccountable. the IRS ,FEC and other agencies targeted conservatives to rig the election. The EPA is shutting down coal plants for a hoax called global warming. the gov schools are a joke. HUD and gov housing are hell on earth. detroit, USSR, n korea, need more examples of why government is the problem. socialism /government can never work. NASA has also been doing years of fake global warming research. these are the functions of NASA and the IRS ?? to target and oppress conservatives. gov must be eliminated except for military, and border control

28 posted on 07/31/2013 5:28:20 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: nathanbedford

It read like an alternate history novel.
Made little sense to a uneducated peon such as myself.


29 posted on 07/31/2013 5:54:24 AM PDT by winodog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The leftists among us see any one wanted a limited government as somehow wanting no governemnt at all. Just goes to show that once you start down a path of having to lie to defend your position you can’t ever stop lying.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 6:39:13 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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